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Storm Trooper with Maglight





Leicester

Hey there,

I have a force of 40k space marines that is very very limited in it's available models.
the army is based on the Betrayal at calth box, so my marines are in heresy era armour.

is there any way at all, in any 30k legion; of giving the troops a lascannon? I heard that blood angels can get assault cannons? and just had to ask?

got 30 marines with a combi-plas, plasmagun and lascannon.

cheers,
GamerGuy
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps




United Kingdom

Unfortunately not - nearly all Legion units are uniformly armed.
I thought a Blackshield Marauder Squad might be the answer but they can't take Lascannons.
   
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Normal tactical squads in 30k only get a Bolter and/or chainsword. Veterans get spezial weapons and heavies, but no lascannon.
To my knowlegde the only squad that gets lascannons are heavy support squads (5+ guys all with the same heavy weapon).
Without the lascannon your units would have a legal veteran loadout.
Blood angels get to exchange heavy flamers for assault cannons.
   
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Rules wise unfortunately it isn’t possible to get a mix like the tac squads of 40k, not even in a shattered legion force. As an aside I think it’s kinda silly from a practical perspective. logistics and organization is something that is concrete on paper but in practice is a hot mess of exceptions and variance, WWII Germany is a good example of this. This would be especially true for shattered legions like Istvaan survivors- if 10 Iron Hands survive but one was from a heavy support squad with a lascannon, honestly would any of us go up to him and say: “Morlan, you can’t support your brothers with that, go find a bolter or something... just cause you saw your primarch get a head shorter doesn’t mean you violate legion protocol! Now grab a krak grenade we have a tank inbound.” I understand rules-wise but I’ve always thought it one of those oversimplifications/not representive of all possible situations. Personally I’d be fine to house rules it if fits the theme but that’s up to your group.
   
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Can’t veteran squads take heavy weapons?

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Washington State

agurus1 wrote:
Can’t veteran squads take heavy weapons?


Well... kind of. It's complicated? They have a few heavy weapon options, but they are not necessarily good heavy weapon options by themselves unless you have a RoW or the right Legion rules. They can take a Heavy Flamer, Heavy Bolter with suspensor web, or Missile Launcher with suspensor web. Heavy Flamer is only useful for Salamanders and funny enough, Word Bearers, the Heavy Bolter is outright garbage, and the ML is kinda "meh".

The best options for Legion Veteran Squads has always been tooled up for melee, or as a Troops Choice in RoW Primarch's Chosen with special weapons and a tricked out sarge for assault. They will always underperform compared to a Tactical Support Squad or Devastator Squad. They excel in close combat, especially in the right Legions, and can usually perform as well as most Legion Specific "Special" Elites.

To the OP: The only Legion Squad that has access to a Lascannon is the Legion Devastator Squad where you can have 4-10 Lascannons. A fully equipped Legion Devastator Squad with 10 Lascannons will cost over 400 points.

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I always liked how my sniper vet squad with heavy flamers performed

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

 Tamwulf wrote:
agurus1 wrote:
Can’t veteran squads take heavy weapons?


Well... kind of. It's complicated? They have a few heavy weapon options, but they are not necessarily good heavy weapon options by themselves unless you have a RoW or the right Legion rules. They can take a Heavy Flamer, Heavy Bolter with suspensor web, or Missile Launcher with suspensor web. Heavy Flamer is only useful for Salamanders and funny enough, Word Bearers, the Heavy Bolter is outright garbage, and the ML is kinda "meh".

The best options for Legion Veteran Squads has always been tooled up for melee, or as a Troops Choice in RoW Primarch's Chosen with special weapons and a tricked out sarge for assault. They will always underperform compared to a Tactical Support Squad or Devastator Squad. They excel in close combat, especially in the right Legions, and can usually perform as well as most Legion Specific "Special" Elites.

To the OP: The only Legion Squad that has access to a Lascannon is the Legion Devastator Squad where you can have 4-10 Lascannons. A fully equipped Legion Devastator Squad with 10 Lascannons will cost over 400 points.


Sniper heavy Bolger is good, as is sniper heavy flamer.
   
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Leicester

Thanks Guys;

Can I pick your brains a second time in this thread lads? or am I meant to create a new post? either way, hopefully you'll see this; this group have been really helpful!!

If I wanted to spend no more than another 10 marines for my first game of 30k? how should I loadout each marine?

If 3 are bolter Marines to replace the lascannons; that turns them into legal Ultramarines Veteran squads correct?

All my marines are built with the large knives so my group will have no problem with them being upgraded with close combat weaponry; would it be advisable to further upgrade my sgts with power weapons in addition to combi-plasmas? my three squads benefit from rhino transports to ensure they get up the field anyway; supported by a pair of dreads (duel kheres/powerfist twin las)

That leaves me 7 bodies; maybe only 6 depending on how ambitious I'm feeling, might make a new captain?/praetor? how would you advise I equip him? is power sword/plasma pistol viable?

and is there a 5man command-squad equivalent in 30k? short of a legion support squad/special weapons spam marines? need a cohort?/bodyguard? preferably with power weapons
Thanks so much for the responses people, been a real help!!
cheers,
GamerGuy



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Yes without the lascannons it would be a legal veteran loadout.

It depends on what you want to do with them, personaly I give them a fist most of the time.

Power sword and plasma is a terrible loadout for a preator. Plasma pistols are priced way to high for what they do and a power sword ist only ap3 meaning even a seargent with AA will stop you from doing any real damage. The to best weapons on a preator are fist or paragon blade (or if you have the points both), one gives you high strengh attacts, the other ap2 at initiative.

Yes there is a command squad in 30k (3-5man), which you can equip with basically any power weapon.

I would realy recommend you the red books, they have all the infos you need.
   
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Leicester

Thanks Jorim!

Much appreciated Dakka, knew I could count on you all

GamerGuy
   
 
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