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Just putting this here for the sake of completeness.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/18/18th-aug-warhammer-fest-europe-live-bloggw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-1/



Carry on, lets hope for some Delaque news from Nova next week.

As with all the previous gangs, pack #2 looks the best... Except it's missing the long rifle. Hmmmm...

These sculpts are amazing. I didn't care at all for the models from the 1990s except maybe the plastic Orlocks, but I absolutely love each gang FW has released for this new edition.

That leader figure is a great figure...ruined by GW's fething obsession with god damn lit candles...seriously.

 Elbows wrote:
That leader figure is a great figure...ruined by GW's fething obsession with god damn lit candles...seriously.

There's a meme in there with balancing your starving's gang budget and credits spent on candles

I like them, though. I'm a big fan of candles on grimdark stuff. Except for the stupid candles on Reikenor's horse's head. Those clearly belong on the saddle or something, not on the horse's head!

After reading the whole of Gang War 4, the result is mixed. The new content is mostly good and interesting:

-Cawdor gang, new weapons, equipment, pet
-Gang specific Brutes
-2 new special characters / bounty hunters
-new Dominion territories
-6 new scenarios
-bionic
-psyker rules

Then, as always in this beta early-access game, there's all the bugs:
-inconsistent weapon profiles (Orlock brute's harpoon got a new long range, Van Saars brute's rad gun is more powerful, Escher's brute got different talons than Escher's pet, cawdor brute's polearm doesn't have the standard polearm special rule...)
-badly named cawdor weapons, polearm/autogun got reclaimed stats
-reclaimed autopistol got -1" short range for some absurd reason
-combi autogun/flamer doesn't have combi trait

This is all normal and how they operate, refusing to keep weapon profiles consistent. The result is, any time my friends ask "what's the strength of that weapon" or "what's the range of that weapon", I either say "I don't know" or "that depends what page you look at".

Another tradition of the Gang War series is all the reprints. We got heavy amounts in Gang War 4: exotic beasts, advancements, experience, injuries, captured, fleeing and skills. That's a lot of pages! My favourite is the exotic beasts, which states "exotic beasts have their own skill table at the end of this section", except they don't, cause the skill table isn't reprinted.

What really pisses me off though is the skirmish rule, tournament rules and partially the dominion campaign rules. This is almost completely worthless information and includes things like if you play in a small venue, use 2d terrain and if you play in a larger venue, use 3d terrain. Are we as players not able to manage our own games without this micromanagement? It's just looase thoughts written on paper, mainly just useless information like it could be fun to do this, or maybe give an extra point if the opponent has a major victory. Really?

All in all, I can't really recommend this book. Not to casual players and not to players who want good value and a book that makes sense. This game is still mainly for enthusiasts who are willing to sacrifice a lot of garbage pages for some few good ones.

So...it's just more Necromunda then? That's disappointing.

Yeah, that sums it up nicely. More of the good stuff and more of the bad.

Baxx wrote:Are we as players not able to manage our own games without this micromanagement?

You have read the forum before, haven't you? There is, sadly, quite a number of people who won't do anything "unofficial".

I would have preferred the reclaimed weapons take a bit of a range ding mechanically... and I'm not sure why the combi autogun/flamer is 30 creds cheaper than the flamer alone. Is the extra ammo roll really worth that much of a difference or is it likely a mistake?

Clockpunk wrote:
I would have preferred the reclaimed weapons take a bit of a range ding mechanically... and I'm not sure why the combi autogun/flamer is 30 creds cheaper than the flamer alone. Is the extra ammo roll really worth that much of a difference or is it likely a mistake?

Because the writer didn't check the cost of one before typing in the cost of the other.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Baxx wrote:Are we as players not able to manage our own games without this micromanagement?

You have read the forum before, haven't you? There is, sadly, quite a number of people who won't do anything "unofficial".

But how can they use the rules to decide whether to use Sector Mechanicus or Zone Mortalis based on venue floor space, when the rules don't specify the difference between "large" and "small" space? At least they can read the rules to understand when to drink tea... Maybe it would be more useful to include rules for who is the challenger to decide what Territory is at stake, and who is going to refuse or accept the challenge. I wonder if Necromunda players are starving or sleep depraved, cause the rules doesn't specify when or what to eat and sleep.

The image of the resin Cawdor hero got removed from the warhammerfest live blog page. Not sure if there's anything of meaning behind that. But it is kind of strange to me.

 Thargrim wrote:
The image of the resin Cawdor hero got removed from the warhammerfest live blog page. Not sure if there's anything of meaning behind that. But it is kind of strange to me.

Did they just remove him or all forgeworld stuff? I wonder if there was blowback on the FW price hike attached to it.

 Theophony wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
The image of the resin Cawdor hero got removed from the warhammerfest live blog page. Not sure if there's anything of meaning behind that. But it is kind of strange to me.

Did they just remove him or all forgeworld stuff? I wonder if there was blowback on the FW price hike attached to it.

Only him, the cawdor resin weapon are still on the page.

From what I heard, someone photoshopped him and changed all his clothing from blues and browns to white. In the US a guy in white robes with a pointy hat and nooses hanging off him is not a welcome site. So he may have been removed because of that.

I swear if they drop that awesome model because someone chucked a hissy over it kinda-sorta-maybe-if you squint at it sideways could potentially look a bit like a Klansman...

That is what I was afraid of, the last thing GW should be doing is backing down cause we're living in a time where people get butthurt over the tiniest things. Especially stuff in fiction, reminds me of the nutty reaction some people had to the joke in some Doom Eternal footage.

If they don't release it that would be insane though, i'd have to write a letter.

It would also be a really bad sign for the Redemptionists looking anything like they used to when they come around too

 Binabik15 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That leader figure is a great figure...ruined by GW's fething obsession with god damn lit candles...seriously.

There's a meme in there with balancing your starving's gang budget and credits spent on candles

I like them, though. I'm a big fan of candles on grimdark stuff. Except for the stupid candles on Reikenor's horse's head. Those clearly belong on the saddle or something, not on the horse's head!

I like the candles too. I mean, they’d go out straight away, but still. Maybe they’re those joke ones for cakes that you can’t blow out.

I'll be pissed if that Cawdor character doesn't get released.

Also, speaking of things that were never released, I swear someone said there would be an Orlock sprue with female ganger parts. Was that just wishful thinking?

So that Cawdor guy has vanished huh?

I got a bad feeling about this...

 Thargrim wrote:
That is what I was afraid of, the last thing GW should be doing is backing down cause we're living in a time where people get butthurt over the tiniest things. Especially stuff in fiction, reminds me of the nutty reaction some people had to the joke in some Doom Eternal footage.

If they don't release it that would be insane though, i'd have to write a letter.

I follow the guy who sculpted it on instagram and there were a number of Americans complaining that the guy had sculpted a model that too closely resembled a hooded KKK member. I couldn't help but feel that it was a bit of outrage culture mixed with the occasionally seen behaviour of Americans feeling that their cultural history is ultimate (Ie, a pointed hood must represent KKK and not, as intended, the Spanish inquisition). It will be quite disappointing if this model doesn't get released simply because people lack any subtlety.

Honestly id just remove the extra nooses from him I think those are things giving more of the KKK vibe as I said on yak all cawdor guys get nooses cause they feel worthy of the punishment which fits into the "repenting" vibe, the pointy hoods are also a symbol of penance (capirote) as they remove ability to see people as different heights or facially different so force everyone to be equal. I think issue is it gets weirder to have executioner guy having the pointy hood + extra nooses cause it looks more like he will hang people, the normal cawdor masks are closer to executioners ones (which are only to hide face from the criminal so not to be cursed not to make the executioner equal to everyone)

I really like the design but I can see swapping out the extra nooses and going back to 1 self noose or swapping the hood might be a better move as I think they clash a little (they sorta clash with executioner as a punishment role and pointy hood as a self punishing symbol), have one or the other. Personally id rather he keep the hood and get a more interesting chest piece, maybe patchwork armour (cawdor mesh) or some relic around his neck.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
That is what I was afraid of, the last thing GW should be doing is backing down cause we're living in a time where people get butthurt over the tiniest things. Especially stuff in fiction, reminds me of the nutty reaction some people had to the joke in some Doom Eternal footage.

If they don't release it that would be insane though, i'd have to write a letter.

I follow the guy who sculpted it on instagram and there were a number of Americans complaining that the guy had sculpted a model that too closely resembled a hooded KKK member. I couldn't help but feel that it was a bit of outrage culture mixed with the occasionally seen behaviour of Americans feeling that their cultural history is ultimate (Ie, a pointed hood must represent KKK and not, as intended, the Spanish inquisition). It will be quite disappointing if this model doesn't get released simply because people lack any subtlety.

Pointy hoods had literally nothing to do with Spanish Inquisition... Redemptionists where clearly designed to look like a parody of KKK members, even if KKK members themselves take the Hood from Catholic Christian nazarenos. (Not saying this to defend that the model shouldn't be made. It is beautifull. And I have 0 problems with pointy hoods. Here in spain they are a very common sight in Holy Week)

Because we should definitely try to avoid offending the poor KKK by basing some crazed murder-cult on them!

 Galas wrote:

Pointy hoods had literally nothing to do with Spanish Inquisition...

"The use of the capirote or coroza was prescribed in Spain and Portugal by the holy office of Inquisition."

...Also, the inquisition was what the sculptor said he was referring to in sculpting the model.

-edit- This is actually pretty interesting.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Pointy hoods had literally nothing to do with Spanish Inquisition...

"The use of the capirote or coroza was prescribed in Spain and Portugal by the holy office of Inquisition."

...Also, the inquisition was what the sculptor said he was referring to in sculpting the model.

-edit- This is actually pretty interesting.

The use of it was prescribed as a punishement, but it wasn't used by the Spanish Inquisition. When you think about spanish inquisition, you don't think about the capirote.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Because we should definitely try to avoid offending the poor KKK by basing some crazed murder-cult on them!

Pretty sure the intention isn't to "avoid offending the poor KKK" but rather to not make something that might potentially be misconstrued as 'celebrating' them?

For what it's worth, it's a cool model...but I can kinda/sorta see why they might not want to release it in light of the comparisons. It's not the first thing that comes to mind when I think "Spanish Inquisition".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Because we should definitely try to avoid offending the poor KKK by basing some crazed murder-cult on them!

Pretty sure the intention isn't to "avoid offending the poor KKK" but rather to not make something that might potentially be misconstrued as 'celebrating' them?

That's silly, though. Cawdor are not a positive depiction of anything, in the same way that the highly Nazi-inspired Empire from Star Wars isn't celebrating Nazis.