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Kale wrote:
That sizing in nice for badasses.
I am tempted to pick some up to be scions

Dude, you read my mind. My only question is if the sniper rifle is large enough for a transuranic arquebus. I have a bunch of Dreamforge games figures that these would mesh well with.

 cuda1179 wrote:

Kale wrote:
That sizing in nice for badasses.
I am tempted to pick some up to be scions

Dude, you read my mind. My only question is if the sniper rifle is large enough for a transuranic arquebus. I have a bunch of Dreamforge games figures that these would mesh well with.

It's not big enough. For a proper arquebus you need something that is at least twice as long as the model is tall.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have all the cards and the new book. If y'all get any questions, ask away!

Also, Book of Judgement specifically mentions Helot and Corpse Grinder gangs.

Hmm...

I would love to see a revised pit-slave specific gang, but the Corpse Grinders are mentioned in some of the big rulebook fluff as cannibalisitc worshippers of Khorne sealed for a century in Hive Arcos.

I would bet that they are indeed the next gang (going from the icon image), with the book venturing into other Hives and accompanied by a couple of different Hazardous Zone tile sets to represent these different areas. Heck, it's probably the ideal place to print the GSC rules proper, and simultaneosuly cover the hive filled with plague-ridden zomies, etc, to cover a new horde-based gameplay mode.

I emailed your favorite company about the future availability of the Underdog cards. This is the reply:

Hello there,

Thank you for contacting us!

These items are no longer available and will not be returning to stock. I wish I had better news.

While we don't know what the future holds, we've forwarded your request up to our Studio and Manufacturing Team as feedback for products our customers' would like to see return!

We hope you have a wonderful day, and if we can assist with anything further, we're certainly happy to!

Warm regards,


--
Morgan M.
custserv@gwplc.com

I saw someone else who contacted them, and they gave the explanation that their return would be unlikely because the rules were available in other printed material.

Except they're not. The Underdog and Enforcer cards aren't printed anywhere else.

They really do need to just start putting these up on WHC as standard. They'll still sell out their pitiable little production runs to those who want the "real" physical version, and that way the rest of us can actually use all this material.

I mean, seriously, what's the point of putting time & effort into developing all this supplementary material that the vast majority of your players will never get a chance to use?

Even a flippin' table that you can roll on would be enough...

 Yodhrin wrote:
They really do need to just start putting these up on WHC as standard. They'll still sell out their pitiable little production runs to those who want the "real" physical version, and that way the rest of us can actually use all this material.

I mean, seriously, what's the point of putting time & effort into developing all this supplementary material that the vast majority of your players will never get a chance to use?

Because and I use the phrase very loosely that's GW current retail model any production run is expected to sell out at launch or soon after or be considered a failure. They see storing anything long term as an issue who knows if that changes when they finally finish the bigger site. I think tripping over all those orignal AoS starters for years really messed with there heads.

Obviously not main ranges but certainly boxsets and starter sets plus all the specialist and tertiary games are expected to sell out at pre order or very soon after. As I have said before they decided when looking for a new way of doing releases after the epic launch of AoS that they considered ccg's and Magic in particular the perfect way of working, lots of new release churn and burn with periodic rules/campaigns changes much closer together, one and done army releases with minimal further support if they did not do as well as expected.

Ultimately they seem to consider missing sales on short runs as the lesser of two evils compared to holding dead stock, not sure that's the right call long term but it seems to be working for now.

SeanDrake wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
They really do need to just start putting these up on WHC as standard. They'll still sell out their pitiable little production runs to those who want the "real" physical version, and that way the rest of us can actually use all this material.

I mean, seriously, what's the point of putting time & effort into developing all this supplementary material that the vast majority of your players will never get a chance to use?

Because and I use the phrase very loosely that's GW current retail model any production run is expected to sell out at launch or soon after or be considered a failure. They see storing anything long term as an issue who knows if that changes when they finally finish the bigger site. I think tripping over all those orignal AoS starters for years really messed with there heads.

Obviously not main ranges but certainly boxsets and starter sets plus all the specialist and tertiary games are expected to sell out at pre order or very soon after. As I have said before they decided when looking for a new way of doing releases after the epic launch of AoS that they considered ccg's and Magic in particular the perfect way of working, lots of new release churn and burn with periodic rules/campaigns changes much closer together, one and done army releases with minimal further support if they did not do as well as expected.

Ultimately they seem to consider missing sales on short runs as the lesser of two evils compared to holding dead stock, not sure that's the right call long term but it seems to be working for now.

Most companies try to make 5-10% more product than they plan on selling exactly because, except for that one-in-a-million situation, when a company sells out it represents a failure to meet their customer's demands. There are customer that wanted but couldn't buy 'your' product. Its leaving money on the table and it's a business failure. Unreliable access and opportunity promotes second hand sales and piracy, both means GW loses out.

GW calls themselves a margin focused business, as opposed to price or volume focused. They simply aren't focused on selling more, they're focused on selling for the greatest immediate profit. Taken to an extreme it means if GW could they'd rather sell a single model for $30,000 than 5000 models for $10. With their focus there is simply little incentive to produce that surplus that ensure everyone who wants one can get one. Margin focus actually disincentives having that 5-10% surplus product. That 5-10% of surplus product is where you see sales prices and mark downs come in, which reduces the opportunity to get the desired margin and to continue to grow margin.

I ended up picking up some Enforcers. I'll give N17 another look, but I have people in my gaming group who have GMed and played tons of FFG era 40k rpgs like Dark Heresy and there's that humble bundle for that going on now so that's likely what I'll end up using them for. A "everyone is a GM" simplified Dark Heresy game like Inq28/Inquisimunda.

I expect if you gave them Adeptus Mechanicus Vanguard helmets, you'd get something pretty close to what a Governor's or Inquisitor's security force might look like. Or alternative Guard if you use different heads for them in Kill Team.

I like them, but I've just got some Cawdor and Delaque for use in a Mechanicus force.

I think I have a bunch of vanguard heads in my bitz box. I may go with the existing heads, I may replace them. There are so many cool things you can do with necromunda gangs.

Maybe I'll get some Judge Dredd style resin heads or something. Some of the Kromlech legionary heads would also be suitably intimidating.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Heck, Gangs, including Enforcers, should be bricking it should even a Guard Veteran Squad head below the Wall. Because they know what they're doing. They've drilled together for years. They've fought horrors the average Hive Denizen can barely imagine. And they've survived.

Yup, totally agree. Also worth noting that two ex-guardsmen (The Deserter and Gunner Mortz) are bounty hunters in Necromunda already, and pretty fearsome. And they both notably have skills which would be useful to bolster a squad. (Medicae, Overseer, Mentor, Regroup)

And the deserter at least is old and crazy. A squad of these guys, well equipped and in their prime, are going to tear the heart out of a dome full of gangs. They'll have a gang rating north of 3000.

Hive militia.... eh. Not so much. I can see the guys on the Dust Wall being on par with the enforcers for training, and likely not as well equipped with personal arms. After all, Helmawr's going to want his own personal bully boys to be able to keep the PDF in check if need be. They'll have a hell of a lot of emplaced heavy weaponry pointing towards Secundus, though.

I now have a dilemma.

I like enforcers for their looks and lore, but I'm turned away by their fairly limited gameplay options and wargear.

On the other hand, I don't like Van Saar for their looks and lore, but I like their weapons and gameplay.

Any help, please?

 Hawky wrote:
I now have a dilemma.

I like enforcers for their looks and lore, but I'm turned away by their fairly limited gameplay options and wargear.

On the other hand, I don't like Van Saar for their looks and lore, but I like their weapons and gameplay.

Any help, please?

Play as Venator, can use both enforcer and van saar models in the same gang. Of course you won't get 4+ bolt gun or Enforcer exclusive skill, but on the other hand you don't get crap BS, and can buy anything you want.

Well, why not just field a squad of Guardsmen using Venator rules, after all, right? No need to buy any new models, I have dozens of those.

List:

New Hired Guns today:



Of Note:

Apollus Kage has also been specially designed so that his head, arms and backpack are compatible with a large proportion of the Necromunda miniatures range should you wish to use them for conversions.

Wow, Kage Mini look much better than his concept art.

 frozenwastes wrote:

Morghot wrote:
For those who were scared about size here a video with some comparison (spoiler: they obviously fits well with all the recent release and are not bigger than a primaris )

Spoiler:

Some pics from the video for those who don't want to watch it.

I really like them and their size. I am very tempted to get some to be inquisitorial enforcers for Inquisimunda.

Ah, bummer. I thought maybe Enforcers would let me finally build this squad without too much hassle:



I already started the marine last year, basing him on the DI gravis captain. Added a Cataphract chestpiece instead of tze cloak pice and a helmet with a crest made from the Goliath axe thing. So he's a BIG dude, actually a bit bigger than the regular grac cap, but his lanky scoutlings should only come up to his elbows. The enforcers are not as, err, thicc as Cadians and Scions or as ugly as Catachans and old scouts, but too tall.

The more one reads this book, the more bad quality is there to notice:

"Threadneedle worms can only be used once, after which they are removed from the fighter's card. When Threadneedle worms are used, roll a D6 on the Threadneedle table. The worms are then used and removed from the gang's stash"

And it doesn't end there! This is the actual table when rolling the D6:

1 - The Worms Turn
3-4 - A Few Live Worms
4-5 - A Few More Live Worms
6 - A Can Full of Worms

The authors are either reckless and don't care what state the rules are in, or they don't know how their own game works. If we end up playing any smallest part of this game the way it was originally intended, that's up to sheer luck.

Baxx wrote:
The more one reads this book, the more bad quality is there to notice:

"Threadneedle worms can only be used once, after which they are removed from the fighter's card. When Threadneedle worms are used, roll a D6 on the Threadneedle table. The worms are then used and removed from the gang's stash"

And it doesn't end there! This is the actual table when rolling the D6:

1 - The Worms Turn
3-4 - A Few Live Worms
4-5 - A Few More Live Worms
6 - A Can Full of Worms

The authors are either reckless and don't care what state the rules are in, or they don't know how their own game works. If we end up playing any smallest part of this game the way it was originally intended, that's up to sheer luck.

What does any of that D6 table even mean?

Is the worm thing a joke? Some reference were not getting?

You still haven't explained why the rules in this one replace the rules in the previous one...

I think he's pointing out that rolling a 4 on that table produces confusion.


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The actual table has an effect for each particular result.

What does rolling a 2 get you?

 privateer4hire wrote:
What does rolling a 2 get you?

Also confusion

 privateer4hire wrote:
What does rolling a 2 get you?

You’ll need to buy the next supplement for that answer.

Well, the new models are absolutely spanky.

FW are really knocking it out of the park with the special characters.

Now? I guess I’d better support the game and buy some! Only got the Beasty Boy so far.

The Threadneedle rule has multiple errors. First off, it doesn't show the distribution of the D6 correctly (no 2, double 4). And they repeated that it's usable once, then discarded.

"Threadneedle worms can only be used once, after which they are removed from the fighter's card."

"The worms are then used and removed from the gang's stash."

I'm not sure if there's an actual difference between removed from the fighter's card and removed from the gang's stash. The authors themselves have guaranteed no clue.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, the new models are absolutely spanky.

FW are really knocking it out of the park with the special characters.

Now? I guess I’d better support the game and buy some! Only got the Beasty Boy so far.

I've bought two boxes of Van Saar, the Ambots, Kal & Scabs and the new Enforcers. I picked up a bunch of resin before the great e-store shift. Plan on picking up more gangs because I think there are the most inspired things coming out of GW these day. I'm lukewarm towards the rules though. Plan on using most of the stuff for RPGs in the future.

PS: I wish that they would make a plastic sprue of hanger-ons and/or hired guns. Acquiring the resins and anxiety of using them on a tabletop...