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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.

Squares are legacy items, not part of the current product lineup. I wouldn't be surprised if they fit awkwardly, if at all.

 Ghaz wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I do feel they made it too small. Also not sure how well it'll hold square bases. But at that price I'll probably buy one just to give it a go.

I don't know. 25, 32 and 40mm bases cover a large portion of GW's catalogue. It will also accept 60 x 35mm bases (remind me, what comes on that size oval base?)

Cav I think?

But sorry when I mean too small as in I mean the handle should have been bigger. It seems to me half the point of a device like this is that it's more comfortable to hold and I would have thought something larger would be more comfortable. Maybe not, will have to try it I guess.

Won't know until you hold it. Having said that, we have many sizes of hand here. If it's too small for you or I then it's not for you or I, and we can continue to use a paint pot with blu-tac or holding the base or nothing. No loss.

 Azazelx wrote:
Won't know until you hold it. Having said that, we have many sizes of hand here. If it's too small for you or I then it's not for you or I, and we can continue to use a paint pot with blu-tac or holding the base or nothing. No loss.

Yeah I was hoping for something much larger than a paint pot, lol. If there's a model I'm going to be working on for a while I'll tend to use a larger medicine bottle rather than a paint pot.

But yeah, obviously different people have different sized hands, but I think in general you want to err on the side of something larger because it's less uncomfortable for a small handed person to have to grasp something large than a large handed person to grasp something small (within reason of course). Being larger you're generally less likely to induce hand cramps in people predisposed to get them. I guess unless you are trying to accommodate quite young kids who might not be able to hold properly in 1 hand it at all.

As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer

or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger

Looks useful and the price is good. I'll get two.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer

or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger

I plan to drill into the handle and add one of those curving finger-bar things, that should make it plenty comfy even on my ridiculous meat-plate hands.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As long as the mechanism that holds the base is good the price is small enough that hacking one up to fit it onto a handle of your choice will be a no brainer
or just wrap the handle in some pound shop duct tape to make it larger

How dare you use logic when people are getting in their quota of bitching about everything GW does!

Puzzling formula; 1 holder and you have at least fifty minis to paint= Waste of time.

Slipstream wrote:
Puzzling formula; 1 holder and you have at least fifty minis to paint= Waste of time.

Last time I checked nobody has indicated you need to glue the model into the handle.

Slipstream wrote:
Puzzling formula; 1 holder and you have at least fifty minis to paint= Waste of time.

I'll be buying 10 so I can do a whole (typical) squad at a time.

I want to see it in person first, but it looks OK to me. I'll have to swing my my FLGS soon and see if they have one to play with.

Citadel Painting Handle Demonstration video on Facebook.

Looks even better. Very usefull tool right there. Blue tac never seems to hold things right and pin vices not practical since its too tall and falls constantly.

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tneva82 wrote:
Last time I checked nobody has indicated you need to glue the model into the handle.

If that's how you're assembly-line painting 14+ orcs, you're in trouble.

Swapping assembly-line painted miniatures in and out of a holder is a total PITA. I'm kinda curious why the holder doesn't have that finger slide thing that some painters like very much.

Looking forward to hearing opinions about the holder when it comes out. Won't really need it for a year (only 14+ orcs to go...

This sort of holder isn't really intended for assembly line painting multiple models. Although it's certainly priced low enough that you could pick up a bunch of handles to paint a squad at a time if you were so inclined, rather than trying to swap the models in and out.

Aye, but even if it comes to that it seems easy enough to just press the openy-thingie and take the model out of the clampy-wotsit by holding the base.

ced1106 wrote:
Swapping assembly-line painted miniatures in and out of a holder is a total PITA.

Watching the video on facebook it seems quick and easy enough to swap miniatures out such that you could use it for assembly line painting.

If I'm assembly line painting it's rare for me to have a step that takes less than a couple of minutes, so spending 5 seconds to swap the model out doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. It's not going to take much longer than it would have taken to put down the model you're holding and pick up the next one anyway. Assembly line doesn't mean you are actually simultaneously painting all models at once unless you happen to be the Hindu God Durga who can hold 10 models at a time.

Better than having to find a ton of empty paint pots and using a ton of blutac to hold them down IMO.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Aye, but even if it comes to that it seems easy enough to just press the openy-thingie and take the model out of the clampy-wotsit by holding the base.

When I get my version out on the market, 'openy-thingie' and 'clampy-wotsit' are totally going on the instructions...

Slipstream wrote:
Puzzling formula; 1 holder and you have at least fifty minis to paint= Waste of time.

It might be for people that take longer on each individual model? I agree that it's not for everyone or for batch painting huge numbers of models, but duh on that point. I certainly can't see myself using this for the 60+ Dark Angel starter box models I'm slowly (not) working on, but for those models that I paint individually - specifically those that I blu-tac onto a paint pot it seems potentially useful.

For assembly-line painting, if your locality of physics causes your miniatures to dry just after you apply paint, washes, and glue, sure, go for it. I'm not going to "pop off" a miniature and risk the dried part of the wash sloughing off or bits of basing material coming off the base before the miniature has dried.

ced1106 wrote:
For assembly-line painting, if your locality of physics causes your miniatures to dry just after you apply paint, washes, and glue, sure, go for it. I'm not going to "pop off" a miniature and risk the dried part of the wash sloughing off or bits of basing material coming off the base before the miniature has dried.

The image of a dakkanaught spraying wash everywhere trying to remove a model from a holder just reminded me of this video...



As long as it's not a violent popping out I don't see the problem. It just depends how easy it is to "pop off". From the looks of things you just jam your finger into the spring mechanism which loosens the base and you lift it out.

Also I reckon if you're slopping on washes and gluing down bases those are probably times you aren't going to be using a holder in the first place, so it's a bit of a non-issue.

When you use the holder for assembly ling painting is going to be when you're laying down the basecoats and whatnot, not when you're applying super sloppy wash.

Sometimes I wonder if people intentionally try and think up problems instead of seeing the merits in what the product can be used for.

Honestly i don't get it.

It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...

I think this is like that fancy plastic thing, but much more cheap and readily available:



I find that wine corks are the best to this purpose. You drill and pin the feet of the mini with some wire and press it in the wine cork . The result is strong enough to be painted easily. Then after being painted, its a matter of cutting the excess wire, drilling a pair of holes in the base (in case you didn't do it yet) and attaching the model to the base. After that, the cork is even reusable... And you can sculpt things on it, even polymer clay that needs to be baked, as the cork won't melt in the oven.

So people thinking in buying this, well, anyone can do as they wish, but as i said, i don't get it

 Warpspy wrote:
Honestly i don't get it.

It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...

And how much time that swap takes? Few seconds? Compared to painting time minimal. Especially if you can combine it in the motion of reaching for the next model.

 Warpspy wrote:
Honestly i don't get it.

It seems like a waste of money for me... if you want to paint GW style, whole squads at a time, its main advantage is pointless as you have to change and manipullate the model every time you want to paint a new colour (if you want to paint like in a "production line"). If you want to paint a model for cabinet display, usually you paint the model and its base separately...

The main advantage for me is not getting cramps in my hand from holding models in an awkward fashion, that advantage is not lost if I have to swap models every now and then, which doesn't look like a very time/effort consuming task.

I think this is like that fancy plastic thing, but much more cheap and readily available:



I find that wine corks are the best to this purpose. You drill and pin the feet of the mini with some wire and press it in the wine cork . The result is strong enough to be painted easily. Then after being painted, its a matter of cutting the excess wire, drilling a pair of holes in the base (in case you didn't do it yet) and attaching the model to the base. After that, the cork is even reusable... And you can sculpt things on it, even polymer clay that needs to be baked, as the cork won't melt in the oven.

So people thinking in buying this, well, anyone can do as they wish, but as i said, i don't get it

For the most part I can't be fethed drilling holes in the feet of my models to mount them in to cork and in many cases it's difficult to impossible to do that anyway (last thing I was painting was skinks, good luck drilling holes in their tiny little feet, the current thing I'm doing is the BB Skaven booster, all the ankles are at weird angles so drilling them out is more effort than it's worth).

Drilling models out to hold them is what I do when I have no other option, not something I want to do on every single model.

The corks in general are also going to be lighter (less stable) and smaller (less comfortable to hold) and more work (drilling out feet and gluing in wires) than what GW is producing.

I'd rather have to swap 20 models on an easy to use handle than have to drill out 40 feet, glue in wires and mount them to corks, urgh, that sounds horrible.

Honestly it's one of the few GW products that has me excited since they killed WHFB I just hope it is reasonably well made and works decently with square bases still.

tneva82 wrote:And how much time that swap takes? Few seconds? Compared to painting time minimal. Especially if you can combine it in the motion of reaching for the next model.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:The main advantage for me is not getting cramps in my hand from holding models in an awkward fashion, that advantage is not lost if I have to swap models every now and then, which doesn't look like a very time/effort consuming task.

No, i didn't mean time consumed. The main advantage of this thing is (or whatever support handle you use, by the way...) not touching or manipullating the miniature with the fingers, that can damage the paintwork or stain some areas with others colours or etc. So in swapping one model for another, you have to touch and change those miniatures many times, touching them in the freshly painted area -even if it feels dry, acrylic paint is not 'dry' until several hours after- (as the model is hold by the base), which can potentially damage or ruin the paintwork.

On the corks subject. Another option is attaching the model to the cork with the base, via using blutac or similar stuff. Adding a little bit of blutac to the base of the cork will keep it from falling or moving when you place it on the table. However, i said the drilling feet things because i'm used to painting the model and the base separately, and gluing them together after being painted.

Of course i have not any problem with people buying and using this thing, the only thing i was saying is that in my opinion, i see it worthless and i don't get why people would buy it... but i also don't understand smoking and people keeps doing it, so i guess each on their own. I'm expressing my opinion as everyone else, that's it, i'm sorry if someone felt bad about it, as it's not my intention

Again, this sort of thing isn't really intended for production line painting. It's a way to hold a single miniature easily and safely to paint it.

If you're happy drilling holes and using corks, do that. This handle is just a cheap alternative for those who would rather something that doesn't take that extra effort to set up.

Ummmm looking at the video looks like it's used with based models(which rules that for me as painted models go to painted bases) so dunno...I would touch the base rather than model while putting it in/out of handle. Assuming the model is still wet all around and not say have gun I have yet to touch(painting gun I wouldn't even use this probably as not needed)

Buy, or buy not.

There is no whine.

 Warpspy wrote:
No, i didn't mean time consumed. The main advantage of this thing is (or whatever support handle you use, by the way...) not touching or manipullating the miniature with the fingers

We'll have to agree to disagree about that, I think the main advantage of a handle is making it comfortable to hold, otherwise I'd just hold the model by its base, but holding it by the base for 2 hours is gonna give me a cramp in my hand.

So in swapping one model for another, you have to touch and change those miniatures many times, touching them in the freshly painted area -even if it feels dry, acrylic paint is not 'dry' until several hours after- (as the model is hold by the base), which can potentially damage or ruin the paintwork.

Looks to me like you can remove a model without touching the model. Just pick it up by the base.

On the corks subject. Another option is attaching the model to the cork with the base, via using blutac or similar stuff. Adding a little bit of blutac to the base of the cork will keep it from falling or moving when you place it on the table.

Yeah the blutac thing is what I currently do, however that's also has its problems.

If it means I don't need to hold on to a bunch of old empty paint pots and cork for mounting models then that alone would be enough for me

the only thing i was saying is that in my opinion, i see it worthless and i don't get why people would buy it.

And the only thing I was saying is all the reasons why someone might want one.

Obviously a little handle isn't going to be a game changer, but it is a nice convenience and at $13AUD it's not much of an investment to give it a go. Over the years I've probably spent more than $13 on blutac/superglue/drills/wire to stick models in place while I paint them