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 Galas wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'd love for Tzaangors Shaman and Skyfire to have W40K rules. I'll surely buy the Tzeentch Arcanites box to expand my TS in that case.

If the Skyfires get ported to 40k they'll probably be given a different weapon sprue similar to the footslogging tzaangors with their bolt pistols and chainswords.

I think "Magic Bows" will do the trick for 40k, but if they receive proper sci-fi weapons I'll not complain

I'm crossing my fingers for sniper rifles, personally. Highly mobile, flying snipers might actually be worth using!

tneva82 wrote:
Which means you are likely looking at no KFF big mek without mega-armour once the codex hits. Don't spend too much money on non-MA KFF big mek if you don't mind risking those being invalidated...

Assuming he is in the Index (I don't own the Xenos book) then you'll still be able to use him.

Yeah but how long d'ya reckon the 'Get You By' Index books are going to hang around?

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Which means you are likely looking at no KFF big mek without mega-armour once the codex hits. Don't spend too much money on non-MA KFF big mek if you don't mind risking those being invalidated...

Assuming he is in the Index (I don't own the Xenos book) then you'll still be able to use him.

Provided he's on it's own page and not page that gets replaced by newer entry with same name.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but how long d'ya reckon the 'Get You By' Index books are going to hang around?

Exactly as long as it takes GW to release a proper codex for each army. They were never meant to be a permanent rules source, just a temporary solution so everyone could play in 8th edition.

Btw. Is it known already whether these bundles will not be webstore exclusive? Was looking forward to the terrain set Ruins of Elixia and then it turned it was webstore exclusive, which decreases potential savings. Can anyone confirm that it's not going to be the case here (I know it wasn't last year)?

xavier5 wrote:
Btw. Is it known already whether these bundles will not be webstore exclusive? Was looking forward to the terrain set Ruins of Elixia and then it turned it was webstore exclusive, which decreases potential savings. Can anyone confirm that it's not going to be the case here (I know it wasn't last year)?

If you don't see a box for the item during the run-up, it's probably a webstore exclusive.

If you do see a box, it'll be generally available. These bundles will be available from everywhere but will likely have a limited quantity available since they are likely splash releases.

The Ruins of Elixia are available from Element Games and, I assume, other stores.

http://elementgames.co.uk/new-releases/age-of-sigmar-ruins-of-elixia

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
The Ruins of Elixia are available from Element Games and, I assume, other stores.

http://elementgames.co.uk/new-releases/age-of-sigmar-ruins-of-elixia

Bear in mind that "Webstore Exclusive" doesn't mean that nobody else can get them. Just that most places won't stock it since they'd need to order it themselves and keep track rather than it being an easier to track item.

Good point Kan, and as you say these Christmas bundle type releases never stick around long. If you want them you are best advised to buy ASAP or face disappointment.

Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Is there a primaris box coming ?

 Formosa wrote:
Is there a primaris box coming ?

If there is, it's not in the holiday gift guide.

4 for 40k, 4 for Age of Sigmar.
Genestealer Cult
Tau
Guard
Orks

Overlords
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard units(this one I'm actually super happy about)
Tzeentch Arcanites
Grand Alliance Death

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Right. Independent FLGS can totally order webstore exclusives but few are willing to do it when the profit margin is almost nil, it's basically just a free service to customers.

The only one of the battleforces that remotely interests me is the Tau one, and even that one is kinda meh for me as I don't really need more Stealth suits. Another Ghostkeel would be nice, as would a Commander and more Crisis suits. Of course, if it turns out that Stealth suits are amazeballs when the Tau codex drops...

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

Which doesn't mean wage level and stuff prices are automatically same.

I would assume that wage difference and lower shop operational costs simply allows shops to sell stuff at a slightly bigger discount from MSRP as they can survive with lower income - but the 25% I mentioned is really the min. you can find online. Most shops sell at 80-85% MSRP price not to mention brick and mortar ones. The GW prices here are in PLN - our local currency, but it's pretty much GBP * conversion rate, so overall it's almost same if you bought it in the UK. If the difference was bigger, people would just order directly in the UK and get shipping within EU for a few quid.

Sorry for the offtop

Assuming battleforces are not webstore exclusive I'm buying death, tzeentch, genestealer and ork. Given my current statistic of paining around 500 points of minis a month that should give me enough painting till next christmas and next battleforces

Later in the year I will buy start collecting for skeleton horde and malignants to have 2k points of death. Then start collecting tzeentch daemons (I already have silver tower painted and shadows over hammerhal Todo), so that's 2k of tzeentch. For GSC I'll combine it with deathwatch overkill and genestealers from space hulk. For Ork we'll see, probably again start collecting and maybe one of the bigger guys.

Sounds like the perfect plan, could use 6 months of vacation to get it all done

I'm torn on what to do with these. I could always fill out my AM force, and Ogryns are on my to buy list, it just doesn't seem as exciting as I thought it would be. I was hoping for an Ad Mech one really.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably not, as they sell in Euros whether it's France, Poland, Germany etc.

Poland is in złoty, not Euro.


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xavier5 wrote:
I would assume that wage difference and lower shop operational costs simply allows shops to sell stuff at a slightly bigger discount from MSRP as they can survive with lower income - but the 25% I mentioned is really the min. you can find online. Most shops sell at 80-85% MSRP price not to mention brick and mortar ones. The GW prices here are in PLN - our local currency, but it's pretty much GBP * conversion rate, so overall it's almost same if you bought it in the UK. If the difference was bigger, people would just order directly in the UK and get shipping within EU for a few quid.

Ah ok my mistake, I thought you meant that was the wholesale not what you could get from a store.

Yeah I should clarify, when I was in Poland I was expecting GW stuff to be a lot cheaper than the rest of the world because wages are much lower so I figured retailers would be able to afford to sell for a larger discount off the MSRP. I was surprised not because Poland was more expensive than elsewhere but rather that they weren't cheaper than elsewhere.

Granted I didn't walk in to a lot of shops to check, just one in Poznan and another in Warszawa.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Right. Independent FLGS can totally order webstore exclusives but few are willing to do it when the profit margin is almost nil, it's basically just a free service to customers.

35% for having a trade account isn't nil. Few are willing to do it because few game stores are actually well run. Don't give a pass to terrible game stores. 35% is still 35%. If a customer wants something that is direct only for $100... What is a better business model? One who is too lazy to bother to offer direct order for their customers so the customer orders online and the game store makes ZERO dollars, or one who makes their customers happy and also makes 35 dollars?


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

He's talking about online discounters.

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xavier5 wrote:
Yeah the practical difference here in Poland is than when ordering online standard GW offer comes at MSRP * 75% and webstore exclusive comes at MSRP * 90% (plus you need to wait longer)

Those both sound like pretty thin margins. I wonder if in Poland GW takes advantage of the lower wages to take a bigger slice of the pie.

He's talking about online discounters.

Yeah I corrected myself in the next post.

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

My FLGS told me margins are like 15% for her, don't know if that's actually true. She was saying there's basically no profit in selling GW stuff. Of course we have 25% sales tax. The highest discount you can get in Sweden is 10%, with 15% for preorders in one of the biggest online stores. So with that said I can't imagine they're getting 50% off normal stock.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

That has to be a US thing... no way stores are getting those kind of prices over here or discounts would be a lot more aggressive.

 Mymearan wrote:
My FLGS told me margins are like 15% for her, don't know if that's actually true. She was saying there's basically no profit in selling GW stuff. Of course we have 25% sales tax. The highest discount you can get in Sweden is 10%, with 15% for preorders in one of the biggest online stores. So with that said I can't imagine they're getting 50% off normal stock.

That margin sounds highly suspect and probably used as an excuse to not provide a discount.
But 25% sales tax is gross. I hate paying 5.3%.


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 Mymearan wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

GW offers roughly 50% off trade and 35% off direct across the board

Are you sure about that? I have heard varying reports and if anything it'd surprise me if trade prices are consistent across different countries (especially those that use different currencies).

This is 2016 numbers, but I'm fairly certain trade starts at 47.5% base and then goes up to 52.5% depending on how much of the range you carry in-store. Direct is pretty much 35% though. Back when my brother ran a game store, I bought tons and tons and tons of direct only LOTR and Hobbit figs at 25% off, and the store would still make 10%.

That has to be a US thing... no way stores are getting those kind of prices over here or discounts would be a lot more aggressive.

In the US, GW is enforcing a 15% max discount if you want to carry their products online, so you tend to not find any discounts greater than 15% regardless. Is the same to be said for Sweden? Perhaps that's why your store won't discount because they aren't allowed to.

She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education


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UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

 Mymearan wrote:
She does provide a discount, 10%, same as every other store in Sweden. If we had 5% sales tax I would buy so much stuff... but I probably wouldn't get free health care and education

Doesn't sound free at all But I have badass health care and pay far less than what a 25% sales tax would amount to... I guess that's why I live in the world's only Superpower. *flex 'murica muscles* off topic alert! jk jk jk

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
UK stores seem to have 20-25% discount regularly though.

Different minimum pricing per region. That's why I'm curious about Sweden.

You know what, I'm actually going to ask a couple of store owners I know... let's see if I get an answer.