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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Funny that there's no sign of Terrance Howard (or Ed Norton). I bet he kicks himself every time he sees Don Cheadle (and Marky R) getting that sweet Marvel love.

They must have Claudia Christian's agent. Maybe we'll get to see them both together in the big screen adaptation of The Contrabulous Fabtraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel. Directed by Ava Duvernay.


(Because she turned down Black Panther to make Wrinkle in Time. History's greatest decision.)


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Should we make a deadpool for this film? What are the odds for each character surviving? I'd give Captain America the lowest odds, followed by Loki and Stark.

I think Steve Roger, Dr Strange, Spider Man, and.... Groot will survive.

Everyone else is dead. Dr. Strange because he will time travel the party. Spider Man because he's box office gold. Steve Rogers because he will get to meet peggy Carter in the past and they can have their good byes and dance. Groot because he already died once. They won't kill him again.

Oh goody...looks like there will be CGI drones to fight. I love me some CGI drones.

Can someone put me in cryo sleep until April 27? It would be really appreciated.

Cap is toast in some stupid and heroic bit of self-sacrifice. Loki will die when Thanos gets the Tesseract and beats Thor to the inch of his life and strands him in space.

I give Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Falcon, and Black Panther the highest chances of survival.

Also, where is Hawkeye in the trailers/poster? Did I miss him?

 Easy E wrote:
Also, where is Hawkeye in the trailers/poster? Did I miss him?

He ded.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Also, where is Hawkeye in the trailers/poster? Did I miss him?

He ded.

When did that happen? Not in Civil War was it? I honestly do not recall.

Too many deaths and they'll all lose their impact. Loki I think is definitely one of the more likely candidates, Thanos is not the kind of guy who tolerates repeated failure and even grovelling with the Tesseract won't save him. Vision seems another obvious casualty as Thanos takes the Stones, but maybe too obvious and they'll find a way for him to survive, perhaps in a somewhat de-powered form.

I think Cap might make it through this one at least, same with Stark. They need to be around to close out this first era, and also to resolve the issues left between them in Civil War. By the end of 4, Cap will be dead, setting up Bucky as the replacement (though that could well be its own film, the start of a BuckyCap trilogy).

Spidey, Strange, Panther, all the Guardians are totally safe, I reckon. Probably Widow, Banner Thor and Stark as well as I think whatever future the MCU has still needs most of the original Avengers in the background, even if they pass on the actual Avenging to a new team lineup.

I think quite a few minor characters might go though. Nebula is a liability once Thanos shows up, Xandar and what's left of Asgard are probably just going to be annihilated in the opening act, maybe someone like Maria Hill or even Fury could be killed off, leaving an emotional scar without altering the power balance of the teams too much as neither can really contribute much against Thanos. Pepper might also be a good candidate for this, that would really mess up Stark and make him desperate enough to start trusting in the likes of Strange and the GotG who he otherwise wouldn't place any faith in.

I'd like some surprises though. Not necessarily deaths, but Marvel have a weakness in being a bit too predictable at times, and the Russo brothers have done a good job subverting that in both their previous efforts so I think we can expect a few things to not be what they seem from the trailers/setup.

 Easy E wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Also, where is Hawkeye in the trailers/poster? Did I miss him?

He ded.

When did that happen?

I was just guessing, as he's a regular dude with no magic gear and no business dealing with Thanos.

Cap is so well established and beloved that he almost needs to die in this, like Optimus Prime in the original Transformers movie. The trailer gets a ton of emotional punch from the clip of Cap struggling with Thanos. (Gotta admit, that shot made all my slacked muscles clench and my clenched muscles slack.) It looks like his last stand to me.

 Paradigm wrote:
Pepper might also be a good candidate for this, that would really mess up Stark and make him desperate enough to start trusting in the likes of Strange and the GotG who he otherwise wouldn't place any faith in.

I agree with him not trusting the GotG, but he would trust Strange as I am sure he has heard of him before. Remember, Strange was the Stark/Banner of Medicine, specifically surgery but I am sure he was more than capable of diagnosing a patient.

 Paradigm wrote:
Ragnarok was downright infuriating

I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.

Korg is bathos personified.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
... like Optimus Prime in the original Transformers movie.

Y'all remember how well that was received? The phrase 'lead balloon' springs to mind.

 Paradigm wrote:
Too many deaths and they'll all lose their impact.

Whilst that may be true, right now one of the flaws with the MCU is actually the lack of meaningful death.

Hell, even in their latest film, They need to stop doing that.




As for who will die?

I'm thinking the big one will be Tony. Outside of that I can see War Machine, Nebula and a few other minor characters biting the dust. They won't kill any Guardians in a non-Guardians film. Bigger deaths will come in Avengers 4.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Ragnarok was downright infuriating

I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.

Korg is bathos personified.

Yeah, that definition just about sums it up actually. Ragnarok seemed to make a point of undercutting every single emotional or dramatic beat with a crass joke, and it just did nothing for me. It was self-aware to the point of being self-parody, and somehow managed to mangle 4 films' worth of Thor's character development to make him a wisecracking moron instead of the stoic, unintentionally humorous Thor we've seen before, miss the point of the Planet Hulk material so completely it hurt and deliver only 15 minutes or so of the epic scale sci-fantasy the last two Thor films were built around. It's like the director/writer actively hated the Thor that the MCU had established so far, and so did a complete reboot of his character and personality with no explanation.

Hela was great and Blanchett was probably wasted in such a dumb film, Odin's final scenes were likewise a highlight but the rest of it was so intent on undermining itself I couldn't respect it, because it didn't respect itself.

Hopefully Infinity War can avoid this though, the Russos so far has proven they can tell straight, dramatic stories that do still have heart and humour, without having to undercut everything with a quip or self-indulgent joke.

I loved Ragnarok.

The only one that’s not quite landed for me is Dr Strange. Part of it is being distracted by Custardsplatch’s American accent, and the other part is that an ‘by the numbers’ origin story at this point in the MCU felt a little jarring. Indeed, the main reference to the wider films that I recall is just before he stacks his car. One of the possible patients listed seems to be the poor sod in the twisty armour in Iron Man 2.

Even then, it’s still perfectly watchable. To have produced this many movies and not have an out and out stinker is mighty impressive.

Russos do seem a very safe pair of hands (well, two pairs of hands I guess). Winter Soldier is superb, Civil War managed to top it, without going over the top. Consider the two sides in that... nobody felt out of place, and they all had their motivations for their choice.

I do still think Civil War got Vision all wrong. There's a line he has early on about how he's created an equation to suggest a causal link between superhero activity and major disasters... and he just accepts that.

The Vision of the comics would come to that conclusion, and as part of his eternal quest to understand humanity, would then ask the others why there was more to it than the simple maths, and ultimately realise that the business of heroism is not just about how many people they save vs how many people they don't. Whereas the Vision in the film follows the numbers without question.

It's a minor thing, and works in the context of the film (a powerhouse like him on Cap's side would take away the underdog factor), but I think there's a very good reason Vision is on Team Cap in the comic version that the film missed. Then again, the film does everything else from the comic way better, so's not really an issue.

 Paradigm wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Ragnarok was downright infuriating

I really like Ragnarok, and in truth there's only one MCU film I'm not hot on (Captain America: The First Avenger) and one that I absolutely hate (Iron Man 3), but Ragnarok is a frustrating film. I did learn a new word because of it: Bathos.

Korg is bathos personified.

Yeah, that definition just about sums it up actually. Ragnarok seemed to make a point of undercutting every single emotional or dramatic beat with a crass joke, and it just did nothing for me. It was self-aware to the point of being self-parody, and somehow managed to mangle 4 films' worth of Thor's character development to make him a wisecracking moron instead of the stoic, unintentionally humorous Thor we've seen before, miss the point of the Planet Hulk material so completely it hurt and deliver only 15 minutes or so of the epic scale sci-fantasy the last two Thor films were built around. It's like the director/writer actively hated the Thor that the MCU had established so far, and so did a complete reboot of his character and personality with no explanation.

Hela was great and Blanchett was probably wasted in such a dumb film, Odin's final scenes were likewise a highlight but the rest of it was so intent on undermining itself I couldn't respect it, because it didn't respect itself.

Hopefully Infinity War can avoid this though, the Russos so far has proven they can tell straight, dramatic stories that do still have heart and humour, without having to undercut everything with a quip or self-indulgent joke.

I think you are right. You know who else disliked Thor Classic and wanted to see a reboot? Everyone. Ragnarok took Marvel's weakest character with the weakest films, and found a way to make him work. sorry boring Thor had to die to give us fun Thor, but we're all better off now.

Ragnarok was a breath of fresh air in a franchise that was beginning to stagnate.

The infi ity gauntlet is in play. Deaths dont matter. They could litterally bring everyone back to life

Well deaths haven't mattered so far, with most of the people who die coming back, so being able to reverse everything would be a mistake.

The thing is nobody has actually died so far (besides coulson... But agents of shield is bad) and quick silver. This will be a big one off. A lot of deaths. A lot of resurections. The infinity stones rescattered and taken out of everyones hands. Now gone, resurections will be much harder.

But its comic books. So it wont matter. The only person who stays dead is uncle ben.

My bet is that both Stark and Cap will die. 1 of them for sure in Infinity War, and the other in the conclusion to Infinity War.
They've been around since the beginning and both actors have stated their wish to be done with the characters. IW is the most logical way to conclude both characters in a satisfying way

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You know all those super cool and interesting characters in Black Panther? They'll probably die. An emotional impact without being main characters.

Especially as both can be 'replaced' by someone else and still 'be' Captain America and Iron Man.

So yeah, could be happening, though I was - and will be - OK with no one perma-dying and just not being featured anymore instead!

The movie going public - so bloodthirsty!

Maybe we'll see Arno Stark appear a couple years from now - Iron Man 2020!

I am going to bet Stark dies and Cap "dies". Stark will already have a protege ready to take over for him and Cap will pull a Fury, like he does, leaving Bucky or somebody to take over for him while he is in hiding. Then bam, Cap and Fury come back at the start of Infinity Wars 2 and they are ready to take the battle to Thanos!

 Galef wrote:
My bet is that both Stark and Cap will die. 1 of them for sure in Infinity War, and the other in the conclusion to Infinity War.
They've been around since the beginning and both actors have stated their wish to be done with the characters. IW is the most logical way to conclude both characters in a satisfying way

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Well, more stated their wish that without a significantly increased pay packet at least. Usually the way it turns out

And who can blame them? Those contracts were originally signed a long, long time ago (over ten years for RDJ).

As far as death goes, Thor: Ragnarok did kill off a "few" support characters in a permanent way.... at least for now.

I'm wondering where Sif was. I may have missed her during Ragnarok, but I don't recall her featuring at all.

There was a thing mentioned about her being banished by Loki (false Odin) to Earth, where she was working with the Agents of SHIELD in the show. So she missed out on Ragnarok.

The actress had other commitments, so couldn't appear. That line about Loki having banished her is the official line, but I don't know if it's actually been said onscreen anywhere. Unless she told SHIELD that when she appeared there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I may have missed her during Ragnarok, but I don't recall her featuring at all.

You didn't miss anything, she wasn't there. Jamie Alexander was unavailable due to her TV commitments, so they gave the reason said above. Shame, I liked Sif. Hopefully she'll come back.

 Easy E wrote:
As far as death goes, Thor: Ragnarok did kill off a "few" support characters in a permanent way.... at least for now.

Spoiler:

The Warriors Three and Odin anyone?

Yeah but they died in a Thor movie. It's why there won't be any Guardians who die in this, or any of the supporting Black Panther characters, unless there's a significant story reason why their death would be meaningful (like Nebula).