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Saw it yesterday. Brought back the feeling of reading my first huge crossover comics as a kid, and I got to experience it with a room full of people, many of whom had never had that experience. For that alone, it's an amazing film for me. The achievement of getting it made will no doubt be dissected and torn apart over time, but this movie is going to make a squillion bajillion dollars and Marvel deserve it. They've consistently made good calls, except for not having a female lead movie til now.
I hope Captain Marvel isn't too critical to A4. Not because of anything to do with the character or movie, but just because Infinity has been such a well earned finale that it would feel kind of cheap to throw a new character in at the end to save the day.
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Black Panther's role appears to be minimized here for similar reasons despite being arguably the best MCU film yet.
It's worth noting that one of the MCU's biggest successes is its lack of real continuity. Almost every time fans have predicted that something was going to happen in the next movie based on something from a prior film we've seen Marvel lean towards largely self contained narratives with only minor carryover that mostly extends to character dynamics. I'd be surprised to see them break that trend and make Captain Marvel's movie a mandatory piece of the Infinity narrative.
LunarSol wrote: I hope Captain Marvel isn't too critical to A4. Not because of anything to do with the character or movie, but just because Infinity has been such a well earned finale that it would feel kind of cheap to throw a new character in at the end to save the day.
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Black Panther's role appears to be minimized here for similar reasons despite being arguably the best MCU film yet.
It's worth noting that one of the MCU's biggest successes is its lack of real continuity. Almost every time fans have predicted that something was going to happen in the next movie based on something from a prior film we've seen Marvel lean towards largely self contained narratives with only minor carryover that mostly extends to character dynamics. I'd be surprised to see them break that trend and make Captain Marvel's movie a mandatory piece of the Infinity narrative.
I think you're going to get your wish here.
Especially given the end credits scene, the hints of what will happen in the next two MCU movies AND that they keep referring to CM as the most powerful hero introduced to date...
To be honest, I think it's easy to take the MCU's connectivity for granted, at least as fans of the franchise. Yes, a lot of the movies and especially the recent ones have been fairly self-contained, but imagine going into Infinity War (or even Civil War) not having seen most of what's gone beforehand. There are some you can leave, but at least 5 or 6 that are essential as groundwork for IW.
I think any day-saving is still going to go to the core Avengers, the next film will probably be a last hurrah for a number of them and I imagine whatever ending comes about, at the very least Cap, Stark and Thor will be central to.
I *hope* that Tony and Steve get to peacefully 'retire', leaving the mantle of IRON MAN and CAPTAIN AMERICA to someone else (possibly...(x) and Bucky?).
Thor can assume the role of Odin, and maybe give Stormbreaker to Beta Ray Bill? (Unlikely, but I can dream, right?)
BUT, I'd bet on at least one (possibly 2 and maybe all 3!) making the Ultimate Sacrifice in order to...'make things right' again.
Paradigm wrote: To be honest, I think it's easy to take the MCU's connectivity for granted, at least as fans of the franchise. Yes, a lot of the movies and especially the recent ones have been fairly self-contained, but imagine going into Infinity War (or even Civil War) not having seen most of what's gone beforehand. There are some you can leave, but at least 5 or 6 that are essential as groundwork for IW.
I think any day-saving is still going to go to the core Avengers, the next film will probably be a last hurrah for a number of them and I imagine whatever ending comes about, at the very least Cap, Stark and Thor will be central to.
It's definitely not continuity free and IW is easily the most demanding in that regard, but its also pretty remarkable how few movies are absolutely crucial. For the most part you can probably get by on things named "Avengers" or "Captain America" with a bit of Thor 3 and Guardians 1 to spice things up.
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Mysterio wrote: I *hope* that Tony and Steve get to peacefully 'retire', leaving the mantle of IRON MAN and CAPTAIN AMERICA to someone else (possibly...(x) and Bucky?).
Thor can assume the role of Odin, and maybe give Stormbreaker to Beta Ray Bill? (Unlikely, but I can dream, right?)
BUT, I'd bet on at least one (possibly 2 and maybe all 3!) making the Ultimate Sacrifice in order to...'make things right' again.
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Honestly, I think they did enough with Thanos to make him a sympathetic candidate for that last one.
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I'd say the first Avengers movie and Civil War would be good ones to watch as well, for the Avengers set up. If you have time or you really liked Avengers, Age of Ultron might also be worth watching just for setting up some of the characters.
Honestly, I'd go even further than that. I reckon at the very least you need:
Avengers Assemble (for general context, Loki, the battle of NY)
Guardians of the Galaxy (for the cosmic element, Thanos, the Power Stone, the Collector)
Captain America: Civil War (for the current situation)
Black Panther (to understand the importance of Wakanda)
You could probably do with Ragnarok (for Thor's starting location) and Doctor Strange (for the Time Stone) as well, though neither of those are actually great films in my book and the necessary exposition is repeated fairly early on in IW.
Paradigm wrote: Honestly, I'd go even further than that. I reckon at the very least you need:
Avengers Assemble (for general context, Loki, the battle of NY)
Guardians of the Galaxy (for the cosmic element, Thanos, the Power Stone, the Collector)
Captain America: Civil War (for the current situation)
Black Panther (to understand the importance of Wakanda)
You could probably do with Ragnarok (for Thor's starting location) and Doctor Strange (for the Time Stone) as well, though neither of those are actually great films in my book and the necessary exposition is repeated fairly early on in IW.
Wakanda really isn't important enough to the plot to be mandatory, IMO. Pretty much everything you need to know is in the post credits for Civil War. There are lots of reasons to watch Black Panther, but I wouldn't say understanding Infinity War is one of them.
I feel like Thor 3 is fairly important just because there's so much character change in that film from prior appearances and you get dropped basically directly into its ending. Dr Strange I'm pretty sure is entirely optional. Time Stone, but its explained better in IW than it is in Strange anyway. The most confusing bit of missing Strange is probably just trying to figure out why he talks to his cape so much.
I'd certainly consider Ragnarok as mandatory. Not only because of its "starting situation" for Thor and Hulk, but also because it is one of the best MCU movies to date. That movie is freggin' awesome.
I have 5 movies left to collect (not counting IW) and I'll have all the MCU movies
Avengers 1 Avengers 2 Winter Soldier Civil War Thor Ragnarok Dr. Strange.
Avengers 1 and 2 can introduce anyone to all these characters.
Winter soldier is more or less needed to help set up civil war.
Civil war is needed to show why the world is what it is now.
Ragnarok because of how it sets up those characters.
Dr. Strange because he plays a good big part in this and it really helps to know him going in I think.
Guardians 1 could be needed. Real spoilers
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But Dr. Strange introduces the stones history in this movie. So it's not REALLY needed besides to introduce you to those characters.
Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
It was awesome seeing Dr Strange use real crazy magic stuff. The crimson bands of cytorak and winds of watu made an appearance. Sweet.
It's a lot to unpack. I am sure I am going to have a lot of thoughts about this over the next few days.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
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Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Kroem wrote: Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
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Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
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I wonder if, because its so damaged, it won't be capable of doing the whole thing. Maybe they will only be able to bring back most of everyone. What if the skrulls are kind of screwed in that exchange and it kicks off secret invasion?
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People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
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Honestly, I hope that after the next one, the are no Avengers for a while. Yes, we all know that Spidey, Panther, Cap Marvel ect will come together as the new team at some point, but I think a far better way to tell that story would be having the Avengers as a concept retired (after all, they failed in IW when they were most needed), then when an Avengers-level threat comes up, the new team has to form around it.
Otherwise, it's just taken for granted that a big threat shows up, and the Avengers are going to be there to meet it. Let's have a couple of years with no Avengers, so that when the new team comes together, it's got some of the same magic Assemble had, and it's an event, rather than just another team up movie.
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I saw it last night. Great movie, and my brain is still in a shocked state of WTF. I was not expecting that ending.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
I came into this thread to discuss the trailer! After the movie came out! And I saw some spoiler buttons and felt compelled to click them, and there were spoilers! I can't believe you are posting spoilers on the internet! Of all the places to go to on the internet, I come here for safety, and now the whole movie is ruined for me!
Actually, I watched all the death scenes on reddit the day the film came out. Pretty amazing to see even if you know many of these characters are coming back. I am a huge Guardians fan, and well,
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seeing my whole team wiped out
, made me sick.
I have yet to actually see the movie, but plan to soon. I am sure I will love it.
Someone mentioned that Marvel has done everything right but have a woman lead, and this just isn't the case. Even after the woman-in-the-lead comes out and makes a bunch of people happy, I will be asking where is the superhero of Inuit origin? Over one billion people of Desi descent and yet no superhero for them to rally around. And I don't mean through in some popular regional movie star to play some fill in roll like a scientist who can do things no one else can. Maybe a transgender Samoan. I don't see why this is too much to ask for.
I will not rest or end my criticism of Marvel and Disney until every combination of race and gender on this planet has their own super over-powering character they all can feel good about.
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Kroem wrote: Yea I had to look up who the Winter Soldier, Virgil and Virgil's girlfriend were as I had no idea. The beginning was a bit confusing as I haven't watched Ragnarok but I soon caught on.
Spoiler:
Did anyone else notice that the finger snap, I.e. using all 6 gems at once, severely damaged the gauntlet? It was all pockmarked and degrading and almost melting apart from the strain of it. I think that is their way to get rid of the gems after A4. They can use all 6 gems ONE more time to undo this and then the gauntlet will be destroyed. The dwarfs won't/can't make another. Nobody can wield them all again and so it can't be the go to to fix everything in the future.
Yea I saw that too, looked in pretty bad nick afterwards. I also noticed Thanos wasn't wearing the gauntlet whilst he was relaxing on his farm. Hopefully he took the precaution of destroying the gauntlet and scattering the stones to the wind so that his great work could never be undone. (Unfortunately there is a 2nd gauntlet in Dwarveton though)
It will be interesting if in the next film the galaxy is flourishing and a bitter and twisted Tony Stark finds Thanos on his farm and beats him up, continuing the theme of asking 'Are the 'heroes' really the good guys here?'
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This was planted all the way back in Guardians 1 and in fairness was already used AS the ending for Guardians 1, but its worth noting that its already been established that the stones can be used by a group of people. I'm still banking on the 6 stones for 6 avengers coincidence to come into play.
You know, if the rumors state that 5 years have passed since Infinity War, and our peeps are going to find some way to go back in time to undo things, well, 5 years is a long time. You are basically going undo anything that has happened in that time reverting things to the way they were prior to the snap. That means any survivors who hooked up and had kids would probably mean those would be wiped out. I know it wouldn't be the same as wiping out half the universe, but it would still be wipe out a lot of children.
Btw, if the Dwarves made the Gauntlet as requested by Thanos, who came up with the design that the stones could do what they do? How would Thanos even know that he would need the gauntlet to begin with? Any mention of this in the movie? Besides Gamora explaining the snap?
Wielding or failing to wield the stones seems to be something that just kind of exists in the cosmic end of the MCU. It's particularly noticeable in Guardians where the power stone is in some old containment sphere before being slapped on the side of a hammer. The point isn't that the gauntlet designs WHAT the stones can do; it simply keeps their power from killing the person wearing it while they use them. One of those ancient civilizations hiding them probably had a "Protective Gloves Must Be Warn" sign hanging by one of them.
I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
