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Paradigm wrote: I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
I thought that the stones being closer together actually made them MORE powerful. As in, the Power stone amplified the Space stone allowing Thanos to just teleport wherever he wants to go by thought alone.
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Which is actually pretty clever of Thanos to get those 2 first, btw
Paradigm wrote: I think it's possible the Gauntlet functions by reducing the power of the individual stones. Look at what the Power Stone does in this (big purple punches) versus what it did in GotG (potentially cracking a planet).
Admittedly, some of the stuff Thanos does calls this into question, but I think it's an easy enough handwavium excuse; the Gauntlet limits the powers of the individual Stones to the point where you can control them without destroying yourself.
I thought that the stones being closer together actually made them MORE powerful. As in, the Power stone amplified the Space stone allowing Thanos to just teleport wherever he wants to go by thought alone.
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Which is actually pretty clever of Thanos to get those 2 first, btw
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The new explanation for them in the comic is that each one grants you power equal to your existing power in another. So like... the Power granted by the Power stone is equal to your existing psychic abilities and the distance you can teleport with the Space stone is based on your physical strength. The idea being that having all 6 creates a loop that feeds itself.... Infinitely.
I don't think there's a tech spec for the stones in the film though. The films aren't really concerned with detailed mechanics (most films aren't, but fans try anyway) and honestly they're probably better off just being magic plot devices.
Mysterio wrote: Are you a 'Marvel Movie Only' guy, or did you have any previous Marvel Comics experience/knowledge?
I supposed you could say I'm a "movie only" person. I was into the comic books for a bit about 20 years ago, but not since. In a way, I'm the ideal fan these movies market to: someone with a passing familiarity of the characters to recognize them, but not dedicated enough to the source material to be devoted to any specific version of the characters or storyline.
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Yeah, I know characters come and go, die and are reborn or replaced all the time in the comics, to the point they have a revolving door afterlife. But, that doesn't lessen Peter's terror at dying, or Stark's grief over it. I know some of the damage will be undone in the sequel, but I also know that others will pay the price for it.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Whelp, thanks. I was looking forward to the film spoiler free.
The spoiler tag is right below the subject and if you highlight your text and hit spoiler, it will do the whole thing for you. Maybe use that in the future please?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: People here have said that its odd that its the original First Generation of Avengers who are left standing, whereas the New Generation were killed off when they still have upcoming movies slated.
I don't think its odd. Clearly in Avengers 4 it will be the responsibility of the First Gen Avengers to fix things and save the universe including the New Gen Avengers, so they can pass on the torch. Avengers 4 will be the Swan Song of the First Gen Avengers. Most of them will die, or be permanently retired, so the New Gen Avengers can flourish.
Whelp, thanks. I was looking forward to the film spoiler free.
The spoiler tag is right below the subject and if you highlight your text and hit spoiler, it will do the whole thing for you. Maybe use that in the future please?
This has been asked and answered several times. People want to read the thread to get a general consensus on the film, see if it's worth seeing ect. Which is easy to to if everyone uses spoiler tags. Again, it couldn't be easier to put tags on a post, why not just take the few seconds needed to do it?
Whether you think people should or shouldn't be reading the thread, they are, so using the tags is just a common courtesy.
Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Paradigm wrote: This has been asked and answered several times. People want to read the thread to get a general consensus on the film, see if it's worth seeing ect. Which is easy to to if everyone uses spoiler tags. Again, it couldn't be easier to put tags on a post, why not just take the few seconds needed to do it?
Whether you think people should or shouldn't be reading the thread, they are, so using the tags is just a common courtesy.
This. A fair amount of the discussion over the past few pages was what films were best to watch before going to see Infinity War in order to be set up with who the characters were and why stuff was happening.
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Lance845 wrote: Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
Soooooooo... we need to get the mods to go thru and delete all talk that’s not about the forth trailer, as anything else would be off topic?
If you want to read a review, go to a site that offers reviews. This is a discussion forum. If you open a thread clearly titled Infinity War, you’re going to get discussion of Infinity War. If it was a generic movie thread, or any thread not specifically about the movie, spoiler tags would be more than appropriate. It’s not. Expecting people to have to spoiler all discussion of Infinity War in a thread titled Infinity War nearly a full week after the movie came out is dense.
Lance845 wrote: Or how about this! The threads title is not Infinity war discussion SPOILERS. Its still about the trailer.
If you think people reading the thread should expect spoilers why dont you go start a new one that clearly states that your discussing the actual movie with spoilers in the title.
Otherwise, YOU are the one who should be expecting that people reading this thread have a reasonable expectation to have spoiler tags used and courtesy practiced.
Soooooooo... we need to get the mods to go thru and delete all talk that’s not about the forth trailer, as anything else would be off topic?
If you want to read a review, go to a site that offers reviews. This is a discussion forum. If you open a thread clearly titled Infinity War, you’re going to get discussion of Infinity War. If it was a generic movie thread, or any thread not specifically about the movie, spoiler tags would be more than appropriate. It’s not. Expecting people to have to spoiler all discussion of Infinity War in a thread titled Infinity War nearly a full week after the movie came out is dense.
Il give you this, expecting people from the internet to practice enough forthought decency and respect to click a button 2 times is a stretch. If experience has taught us anything, despite the simplicity of the effort needed we can all be sure there will be those of you who will actually fight to not spend the effort.
And then blame everyone else for your not doing it.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
At this point, we should just get the TC or a mod to edit the thread title to include a spoiler warning.
No spoiler warning in the thread title means you should show the basic courtesy of providing spoiler warnings in your posts.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Given how little effort it takes, why not just do it for the duration of the thread? You might not think it's necessary, but equally, there's literally no drawback to it, so why not just do the courteous thing just in case?
Once more, it's 3 seconds per post (and that's being generous and assuming you're typing the tags rather than clicking the button) and it could save someone having the movie spoiled for them. I don't get why it's such a big deal. Just use the tags, and discuss away. No one's saying you can't talk spoilers, just that you take a moment to consider the people who are reading the thread who don't want to see them (whether you think they should or not).
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
Its easy il tell you what happened on walking dead.
A) nothing
B) rick decided he didnt want the responsibility of being leader and blew everyone off.
C) rick decided he was the leader and rallied everyone
D) all of the above
All joke aside there is a big difference between a discussion thread about a 40 minute show that comes on regularly for 5 years and a movie that just came out.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Spoilers are absolutely a courtesy that is easily done. Everyone posting in a thread about a recent movie should 100% be using spoiler tags. It is just good manners
Having said that, if you haven't seen the relevant movie, viewing content about it on the interwebs should be done with caution and at our own risk.
We should all be smart enough to know that not everyone will be courteous in life and therefore it should be expected that someone will spoiler info without using the tags.
Getting mad about it (or even pointing out that someone didn't use the tags) does literally nothing to solve this inevitable situation.
If you take the risk, you only have yourself to blame.
TL/DR: Let's all try to use the spoiler tags, but nobody needs to get mad if someone doesn't.
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I avoid spoilers by not reading discussion about the movie or watching anything to do with it until I've seen the movie. It's really easy to do.
I've discussed the experience of watching the movie here without plot specific spoilers because the plot was not super important to me, more the emotional reaction I had to it. But I think if you go reading a thread on this sort of thing and get spoiled it's your own damn fault.
I actually dislike spoiler tags a fair bit because they break up the discussion and make it annoying to read. I'll often skim posts with spoiler tags for that reason. I wouldn't go out of my way to spoil anything, but I think the angry reaction of people who went and read this thread is inappropriate, it's their fault.
AduroT wrote: How long are people expected to do it? Before you said first weekend, but here we are nearly a full week later and you’re still complaining about it.
No, i called people out for doing it during the first weekend. General practice should be not until the monday after the second. You give everyone 2 full weekends to get the time to go give it a watch.
...that is the 'general practice'?
Better not go into the Walking Dead thread here!
I think someone else had the best idea - have a MOD or the OP edit the title to remove the word "trailer" and add in the word "spoilers".
Its easy il tell you what happened on walking dead.
A) nothing
B) rick decided he didnt want the responsibility of being leader and blew everyone off.
C) rick decided he was the leader and rallied everyone
D) all of the above
OK, that was hilarious - well played there!
Galef wrote:
Having said that, if you haven't seen the relevant movie, viewing content about it on the interwebs should be done with caution and at our own risk.
We should all be smart enough to know that not everyone will be courteous in life and therefore it should be expected that someone will spoiler info without using the tags.
Getting mad about it (or even pointing out that someone didn't use the tags) does literally nothing to solve this inevitable situation.
If you take the risk, you only have yourself to blame.
TL/DR: Let's all try to use the spoiler tags, but nobody needs to get mad if someone doesn't.
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Agreed!
I know I absolutley avoid any threads about things I haven't seen/read yet until I have seen/read the thing in question.
Kroem wrote:Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
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So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
I'm guessing it was because he
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...got the snot beat out of him by Thanos?
But it was a weird interaction to be sure, so I wondering if we're heading towards the truly merged personality version of the Hulk - Hulk's body but Banner's brain?
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Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
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I think Hulk was basically scared gakless of Thanos. Thanos beat him down with little effort in a matter of seconds. It's a pity Banner served as little more than comic relief and exposition, though. I do expect the next movie to bring us the merged Banner and Hulk.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
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The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4).
I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
Spoiler:
The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4). I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
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Thats interesting, I never really thought of the Hulk as a separate person, more just Bruce when he is angry. Would a fusion Hulk just be the Grey Hulk though?
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Kroem wrote: Yea everyone should use spoiler tags but also don't risk looking at threads before you see the film!
Spoiler:
So any ideas why Hulk was hiding the whole film? I heard Ragnarok featured him too much so maybe they were giving him a break
Spoiler:
My guess is that he's basically embarrassed and a little frightened.
Prior to this, aside from being beaten by god-mode Thor in Ragnarok, the Hulk has never lost a fight. He's not used to the fact that someone can beat him. Thanos is absolutely brutal in his defeat of Hulk at the start, and he's just not used to that, maybe even scared by it; here's someone who's as strong as him, but also with far better training/technique and greater intelligence, and he doesn't know how to process that. Ragnarok raises the point that basically the Hulk has, at most, maybe 2-3 years' worth of experiences and emotional maturity, and this kind of defeat is totally new to him.
I wonder if the end goal of this in the next one might be a proper fusion of Banner's smarts and Hulk's strengths, both finally realising they need each other to win this. That's happened before in the comics and would be a fitting resolution to this Hulk arc they've been doing through the last couple of Avengers films and Ragnarok.
Yes, exactly?
Since they can do a standalone (Damn you Universal! ANd double-damn you for doing the same to Namor!), I doubt we could get the full Peter David version of the story, but something close to how he handled a merged Hulk would be great.
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The Russos pitched a Hulk story arc that Marvel really liked, but since Marvel can't distribute a standalone Hulk film, they got the okay to include it over 3 films (Thor 3/Avengers 3/4).
I think its pretty clear that that arc involves depicting the Hulk himself as a petulant child who's never picked a fight he can't win. Thanos gives him a humbling beating and he got his first taste of pain and fear and isn't dealing with it well at all.
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Thats interesting, I never really thought of the Hulk as a separate person, more just Bruce when he is angry.
Would a fusion Hulk just be the Grey Hulk though?
I guess this is more comic spoilers about the Hulk:
It varies a lot over the years, but the Hulk is almost always depicted as a separate person that share's Bruce's body. This often comes down to some version of multiple personality disorder, but they are pretty much always separate characters in any story that gives them an awareness of the other self. In particular, Hulk generally despises Banner both for being weak and for constantly trying to control/destroy his other self. Grey Hulk is one of those dumb attempts to mine continuity but its generally written as an additional personality. I've never really cared for it since at this point its mostly a neat bit of trivia about old color printers than something I think really adds anything to the character.
Fusion Hulk is almost always added as a way to put Hulk in the Avengers in a way that lets him be a team player and has pretty much never been good for the character. You just end up with this sort of boring Mary Sue without any quirks to tell interesting stories with. I think a big part of the success of the character in the MCU is the caged animal approach they've taken in the Avengers films. I do wonder if the Bruce/Widow pairing would have gone over better if it has been used less as a way to put him back in the box and more of a way to divide the two by showing both the Hulk and Banner falling for Widow with Hulk growing increasingly jealous of Banner.
Honestly, the best attempt to make Hulk a genuine character has to be Planet Hulk, that's the ultimate arc of him going from misunderstood monster to genuine hero to complete person, then having it all ripped away at the last second making for a true tragedy.
Unfortunately, Ragnarok got that pretty much entirely backwards, with its implication that Hulk was actually at his happiest when he was just thrown in the arena and made to fight things; the whole point of Planet Hulk as a story is that it gives him the opportunity, for once, to rise above the constant violence, or at least channel it to something more worthy than just smashing for its own sake.
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