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Oh, and another endorsement for Brat Gangs to replace Spyrers.

As I've said before, I've only ever seen (in my limited experience) Spyrers attract 'The Wrong Sort' - those who put victory above all else.

Now, there's games where that's welcome and part of it, but Necromunda isn't one of them in my book. It's about building up a group narrative, earning and clearing grudges. Not for someone to turn up with the Super Gang that doesn't even take part in the post-battle sequence beyond rolling for injury.

Brats however? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Give them superior equipment and weapons, sure, but keep them 'normal'. Let them take and hold territory. Let them go to the trading post. That's a concept I can get behind.

Why do they have to 'replace' Spyrers. You make it sounds like they are mutually exclusive.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why do they have to 'replace' Spyrers. You make it sounds like they are mutually exclusive.

I think it's more that folk would *like* them to replace Spyrers. Brats are - IMO, obviously - a much more interesting take on "hive nobles hunt the poor for fun" than Spyrers, and given the amount of hassle it would be to wrangle up a set of Spyrer rules that balances out their power level(personally I don't actually think you can, not while preserving the reasons their fans like them - there's just too great a power disparity, it's like trying to make Space Marines work in the Underhive) why not just replace the latter with the former. Maybe you could stick in some toned-down reimaginings of Hunting Rigs as late-campaign gear for Brats Champions & Boss or something, but meh, if not it wouldn't be a great loss for my money. I never played a game against Spyrers that was fun, or played in a campaign that included Spyrers that had people clamouring for them to come back next time.

What he said

Just personal preference.

I’d make Spyrers hired guns for Brat gangs, myself. With certain restrictions. Both concepts are cool, so I don’t want to see them go.

But I really want Brats on jetbike models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just personal preference.

I wanna plastic Yeld!!!

(/selfishness)

Fair point is fair. Well countered!

I never liked the Spyrers or Pit Slaves, in our campaign they were usually a second gang for one of the players to try out. They were usually wiped out in a game or two

I like the idea and conversion potential of pit slave gangs - but they do tend to end up as Spartacus knock-offs!

I do think that maybe Spyrers make more sense if you have someone acting as a GM/"Arbitrator" - so if one gang gets a run of good luck and gets a bit big for their boots, wham! Spyrer attack!

The issues I had with Spyrers were:
They're cool, so people want to play them. They're also powerful, and you only need a few miniatures, so they're cheap to collect and easy to get painted. This has meant in the past that half the prospective players in a campaign want to play Spyrers. I ended up saying I'd really like the campaign to feature a majority of House gangs, to persuade people to use their other gangs instead.

They ignore a lot of the post-game sequence that I liked from Necromunda - no income, no territories, no trading post.

But, back to the wishlisting, and perhaps a connection to the Gorkamorka thread ... The Orlocks apparently have lots of transport convoys between mining outposts and the Hives; plenty of caravan guards in bikes and other vehicles. An Ash Wastes setting book in late 2018 or 2019, and then a White Dwarf article with rules for Orks sounds like a plan.

Also, if we see Enforcers from the other hive - the one suffering from democracy - could we see them perhaps get PDF auxiliaries? It's be nice to see the Necromundan 8th represented in miniature form again. The classic 1st edition Guardsmen have become the Cadian miniatures over the years, but there's the Jes Goodwin pic of a trooper with closed helmet and greatcoat and "old Escher"-style lasgun from 2nd ed 40k that's been waiting for a miniature for 20 years.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Also, if we see Enforcers from the other hive - the one suffering from democracy - could we see them perhaps get PDF auxiliaries? It's be nice to see the Necromundan 8th represented in miniature form again. The classic 1st edition Guardsmen have become the Cadian miniatures over the years, but there's the Jes Goodwin pic of a trooper with closed helmet and greatcoat and "old Escher"-style lasgun from 2nd ed 40k that's been waiting for a miniature for 20 years.

This guy, right?



Yeah, I'd love to see plastics (or well, any material) for those guys. Vostroyans are almost there, but still I like that one a lot more.

Yeah, him.

Let's see here, in no particular order:

- Arbites / Enforcers
- Genestealer Cults / Covens
- More Hired Guns (if only for the background - I never thought I'd see a beastman 40K figure)
- Female figs for all gangs
- More scenarios
- Alternate campaign types that are not just about accumulation

I'd like to see a plastic, multipose "generics" kit. This can be the same kit as the Civilians mentioned earlier, but with more weapon options. I'd like to be able to run a gang that doesn't conform to the aesthetics of any of the houses if I should so please . Also hoping we get a house-less gang type or types...

In the past, the Catachans and Empire Militia were go-to pieces for Ash Waste gang; would be nice to see something refreshing that.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:
I'd like to see a plastic, multipose "generics" kit. This can be the same kit as the Civilians mentioned earlier, but with more weapon options. I'd like to be able to run a gang that doesn't conform to the aesthetics of any of the houses if I should so please . Also hoping we get a house-less gang type or types...

In the past, the Catachans and Empire Militia were go-to pieces for Ash Waste gang; would be nice to see something refreshing that.

M.

Couldn't agree more! A generic "40K humans with autoguns" kit is badly needed and can serve in many capacities from IG regiments, to chaos cultists, to GS cultist to Necromunda gang.

I'm thinking that Pig Iron''s offerings might fit nicely here. If tge GW Van Saar are rubbush then Kolony Scavengers will be nice subs, and the Feral for ash waste nomads.

 Flinty wrote:
I'm thinking that Pig Iron''s offerings might fit nicely here. If tge GW Van Saar are rubbush then Kolony Scavengers will be nice subs, and the Feral for ash waste nomads.

I did have an eye on the Ferals for Cowdor, I'll admit.

M.

 Haighus wrote:
I'd also like to see civilian scatter terrain and vehicles, preferably in plastic.

They've already got the Goliath truck. As for the rest, you'll probably need to convert your own.

 Breotan wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I'd also like to see civilian scatter terrain and vehicles, preferably in plastic.

They've already got the Goliath truck. As for the rest, you'll probably need to convert your own.

That's for GSC though

M.

 Breotan wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I'd also like to see civilian scatter terrain and vehicles, preferably in plastic.

They've already got the Goliath truck. As for the rest, you'll probably need to convert your own.

Don't forget these.

Ooooooooh.

Reckon I’m gonna need me that Secutarii Hoplite set I’ve got kicking about, a Goliath Rock Grinder and some Hybrids...

Then, when I’ve made my ‘container shops’, shamelessly stealing someone else’s concept to do so, I can make it a proper caravan, replete with well armed and armoured caravan Guards. Mostly just a set dressing, partly because reasons. Could also make for an interesting scenario - the sort where a single gang would get its head kicked in, but two or three working in tandem might just pull off the heist.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ooooooooh.

Reckon I’m gonna need me that Secutarii Hoplite set I’ve got kicking about, a Goliath Rock Grinder and some Hybrids...

Then, when I’ve made my ‘container shops’, shamelessly stealing someone else’s concept to do so, I can make it a proper caravan, replete with well armed and armoured caravan Guards. Mostly just a set dressing, partly because reasons. Could also make for an interesting scenario - the sort where a single gang would get its head kicked in, but two or three working in tandem might just pull off the heist.

With appropriate opportunities for any of the player gangs to shank their "allies" in the back and try to claim all the booty for themselves, of course


EDIT: Oh aye, finally remembered to change the thread title as requested.

Oh absolutely! Where's the fun if there's not backstabbing and betrayal?

We're The Head Smashing Gang, not the Get Along Gang

Though watching a single gang try to take out the Rock Grinder (pretty much just port it's stats over from 40k) could be a right giggle. Spesh if the idiots choose to stand right in front of it.....(no, you won't be rolling on the injury table. Go directly to The Emperor. Do not Pass Go, do not collect £200)

Even funnier if an 'ally' accidentally shoves you off a walkway into it's path.....squish!

I deliberately built my Goliath so I could "civilianise" it. I'm also tempted to de-militarise and "un-lighten" a Tauros scout car. Perhaps have it up on bricks.

That could be cool!

I really want to aim for an 'inhabited underhive'. Just little signs of inhabitants beyond the Gangers. Things like the caravan are major projects (and not without expense!). But I can also do much simpler things.

Think 28mm sleeping bags, industrial tools broken and left, or otherwise mysteriously abandoned. All about building up that atmosphere with 'nice little touches'.

"Mysteriously abandoned" heh. I imagine that the underhive civvies have a well honed sense of when to bug out when the gangs are about to start playing games with each other

Well, the odd blood splatter too

Ooooooooooooooooooh. Could get creative with that Manky Nurgle Goo Paint....splash out a puddle of it, and just have a pair of boots.......

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, the odd blood splatter too

Ooooooooooooooooooh. Could get creative with that Manky Nurgle Goo Paint....splash out a puddle of it, and just have a pair of boots.......

That's just totally unrealistic. No way that a self respecting ganger is going to leave a perfectly serviceable set of boots just lying around, especially after they have gone to the trouble of "encouraging" the previous owner to give thme up

Accidents can happen you know! Maybe it was like that when they got here!

Here's two of my civvie/industrial vehicles.