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So I'm new here. As far as deck building goes does one need to have all the warbands to get all the juicy cards to build a competitive deck or are the ploys, upgrades, and objectives mostly repetitive with the expansion boxes?

 
   
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I don’t believe there are Any repeats in the expansion boxes. Largely you’ll likely want to get em all, but that’s thankfully not that expensive at the moment.

 
   
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Denmark.

 DoggNewTrix wrote:
So I'm new here. As far as deck building goes does one need to have all the warbands to get all the juicy cards to build a competitive deck or are the ploys, upgrades, and objectives mostly repetitive with the expansion boxes?

I’d say it’s totally possible to make a decent deck with one or two Warbands. Issue is, you propably want to have the main box’s cards - mostly because the Objective cards are in there.

I split the main box with my roomie, which really helps too.
   
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armagedon

https://warhammerunderworlds.com/card-library/

Full card library for anyone who hasn’t bought them all yet (I have as the minis are great) but this is a sound move by gw.

Also there’s a deck building sheet you can download and a section of prebuilt decks for people that need inspiring.
Great work GW.

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So, with the deckbuilding, is it more about trying to give yourself the flexibility to gain glory points, or are people favouring outright aggression, on the proviso a dead opponent can't score nowt (Undead excepting, natch)?

   
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armagedon

Personally I like objectives as early game aggression can’t be relied apon due to movement distants.

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Denmark.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
Personally I like objectives as early game aggression can’t be relied apon due to movement distants.

Exactly this. It’s incredibly rare to see any reasonable action in Turn 1, so often it’s just better to use it to gain a point or two of Glory to prepare for the next two Turns. Even super-aggressive decks like Bashy Orruks and Khornebois can do with some Claim Objective cards.

In my games, the turns tend to go like this - Turn 1, people are preparing, gaining some starting Glory and getting into place. Turn 2 is where the meat is, most of the game is decided here, and in Turn 3, it’s either mopping up survivors or trying to grasp victory from the others with each move.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, with the deckbuilding, is it more about trying to give yourself the flexibility to gain glory points, or are people favouring outright aggression, on the proviso a dead opponent can't score nowt (Undead excepting, natch)?


Either can work. As above said, melee is less reliable - not only because of setup distances, but also because dice are involved. Objective based play is reliable as long as you set up and plan your moves correctly.

However, Combat builds snowball much harder in my experience. Especially with Orruks - if Ironskull gets an upgrade or two on him, and the opponent is down a model, it's super hard to combat against that. Objective decks tend to go quite consistently, but generally won't "go off" and suddenly overwhelm the opponent.

I like that there's variety! Makes gameplay and deckbuilding very interesting. I personally prefer a very defensive, objective style of play, but I've been wrecked by Ironskull or Garrek going nuts.
   
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At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html
   
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Denmark.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html

Aren’t you gonna give me some tips or tell me that I should do two thin coats instead of one thick one?
   
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Lake County, Illinois

 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html

Aren’t you gonna give me some tips or tell me that I should do two thin coats instead of one thick one?


No. Two thin coats is a waste of time. Here's a tip for you: don't waste your life painting everything twice. Just throw a wash on at the end and it'll look fine.
   
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Denmark.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html

Aren’t you gonna give me some tips or tell me that I should do two thin coats instead of one thick one?


No. Two thin coats is a waste of time. Here's a tip for you: don't waste your life painting everything twice. Just throw a wash on at the end and it'll look fine.

Wait, you make painting tutorials and you disregard the two coats rule? Seriously?
   
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I assume it's a joke
While we're on the subject of painting reavers, Seb Lavigne also published a tutorial: https://www.facebook.com/sebastien.lavigne.39/media_set?set=a.10155510042211234.1073741847.618626233&type=3 . Although, I suspect most people able to achieve that kind of result don't really need tutorials anymore…

More on topic: did anyone test out the pre-built decks on the new website? Are they somewhat balanced? My girlfriend likes playing the game, but hates deckbuilding, so I'm very interested in them.
   
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 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html

Aren’t you gonna give me some tips or tell me that I should do two thin coats instead of one thick one?


No. Two thin coats is a waste of time. Here's a tip for you: don't waste your life painting everything twice. Just throw a wash on at the end and it'll look fine.

Wait, you make painting tutorials and you disregard the two coats rule? Seriously?


Just because someone makes a tutorial doesnt mean they're good. Anyone can make one
   
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Lake County, Illinois

 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
 The Wise Dane wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
At long last, here's the step-by-step on how I painted my reavers. Really easy to do, and I think the result was pretty good.
https://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2018/01/painting-shadespire-bloodreavers.html

Aren’t you gonna give me some tips or tell me that I should do two thin coats instead of one thick one?


No. Two thin coats is a waste of time. Here's a tip for you: don't waste your life painting everything twice. Just throw a wash on at the end and it'll look fine.

Wait, you make painting tutorials and you disregard the two coats rule? Seriously?


You're being sarcastic, I hope?
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As long as it's not veering into the X-Wing territory of 'need to buy Ship X to ensure Ship Y isn't rubbish'.....

But I guess that remains to be seen.


Its definitely difficult to tell right now. Currently you NEED the core set and realistically one expansion simply to get a decent card pool to work with. At that point, you might as well just get the other one. How long that remains true is hard to tell because right now the expansions are totally worth it simply due to how many cards they add to the game. I certainly felt like I was getting my money's worth, even for the skeletons I didn't really have any interest in.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As long as it's not veering into the X-Wing territory of 'need to buy Ship X to ensure Ship Y isn't rubbish'.....

But I guess that remains to be seen.


Its definitely difficult to tell right now. Currently you NEED the core set and realistically one expansion simply to get a decent card pool to work with. At that point, you might as well just get the other one. How long that remains true is hard to tell because right now the expansions are totally worth it simply due to how many cards they add to the game. I certainly felt like I was getting my money's worth, even for the skeletons I didn't really have any interest in.


I'll wager if you want to have the most competitive, top tier netdeck, you'll probably need most if not every expac. They'd be crazy not to, because essentially that means they'd release a set where the neutral cards are all garbage.

On the other hand, you will probably be able to make a competitive deck that ticks nearly every box without missing much. Already I find that I have enough "tech pick" cards that if I was missing one or two cards, I have plenty of other extremely viable cards to pick instead. Missing, for instance, Shadowed or Dazzling Key would be pretty painful, but it means my Upgrades would just tend towards more aggressive upgrades that boost my damage output and I can play a different way.

And I think that'll just increase as more sets come out. I assume there'll be great cards in Skaven and Fyreslayers, but the deck you're currently running right now will probably still be just as competitive without them.
   
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Unfortunately, I have noticed that you kind of need all warbands to be effective. The most glaring example is the Sepulchral Guard. They have a TERRIBLE deck when used on it's own, but the cards in it are great for other warbands.

So the Guard needs the other warbands/core box in order to be effective, and their cards are good for other warbands. I can see why this business model is kinda scummy, but I buy all warbands anyway, so for me it's no big deal.

Alpharius? Never heard of him.  
   
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 alleus wrote:
Unfortunately, I have noticed that you kind of need all warbands to be effective. The most glaring example is the Sepulchral Guard. They have a TERRIBLE deck when used on it's own, but the cards in it are great for other warbands.

So the Guard needs the other warbands/core box in order to be effective, and their cards are good for other warbands. I can see why this business model is kinda scummy, but I buy all warbands anyway, so for me it's no big deal.


So many people have said you NEED to have all the cards to be competitive or effective but you dont. If you're totally hardcore into winning at all costs at all times even if you don't play in tournaments ok sure, get them all. Reality is that even without certain cards you can still win, especially when there's variability when you dont draw those "must have" cards or cant use those must have cards, on top of rng dice rolls

Without having all of the cards and factions it's still a great game
   
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Denmark.

I don’t see how the “Must have all cards” argument holds up in this game, at least not yet... I’m looking at my Bouncer Orruk deck and I can hardly switch out a single card! I guess theres a few Ploys and Upgrades that could be replaced with something a bit more fitting, but honestly thats a luxury problem.

In relation to X-Wing, I think the big strength of Shadespire is that you also craft an Objective deck. In a game solely based in shooting the crap out of the opponent, of course the newest, best killy card will be needed. When you craft your own goals it becomes so much easier to disregard certain cards you may not want to buy.
   
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It's really hard to get a read on how mandatory the expansions are. Right now you need the core, which is half the factions but doesn't contain that much variety when it comes to common cards. Each expansion currently represents nearly 40% of the total common card pool, which feels pretty mandatory. If you just have the core set, an expansion will triple the number of common ploys and upgrades at your disposal. That goes down pretty quickly as new expansions are released.
   
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Chicago

If its my turn to play a ploy and i decline, it then goes to my opponent. Let's say they play a ploy or upgrade, does it then get passed back to me if I want to play something, or since I decline first I no longer have the option?

Thanks!
   
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Denmark.

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:
If its my turn to play a ploy and i decline, it then goes to my opponent. Let's say they play a ploy or upgrade, does it then get passed back to me if I want to play something, or since I decline first I no longer have the option?

Thanks!

As far as I know you get the option to play a Ploy or Upgrade later, even if you declined at first. Might be a good way to mess up your opponent's gameplan.
   
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The card phase ends when both players decline in succession. If you decline and your opponent plays a card you are allowed to play a card in response to their action.
   
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Chicago

Ah gotcha awesome thanks!

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Some more pics and info about the new warbands! Pre-order up on feb 10.

Warbands:
Spoiler:






Leaders:
Spoiler:





Alpharius? Never heard of him.  
   
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Chicago

So after Skaven and Fireslayers...
1. -do you think they will release more warbands?
2. -what warbands do you hope to see?

I hope for Seraphon and Gutbusters (doubt this one will happen).

 
   
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The rulebook actually lists all the warbands that are coming. The next two are returning to the core for a Stormcast Vanguard warband and a Khorne warband with a flesh hound. They don't mix with the existing warbands though; they're as isolated as orks from what we can tell.

I do really want to see Seraphon, Sylvaneth, and Kharadron. Likely it won't be in Shadespire though. I assume we're going to see Warhammer Underworlds: (New Setting) with another set of 8. Wouldn't be surprised to see snake elves included.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
The rulebook actually lists all the warbands that are coming. The next two are returning to the core for a Stormcast Vanguard warband and a Khorne warband with a flesh hound. They don't mix with the existing warbands though; they're as isolated as orks from what we can tell.

I do really want to see Seraphon, Sylvaneth, and Kharadron. Likely it won't be in Shadespire though. I assume we're going to see Warhammer Underworlds: (New Setting) with another set of 8. Wouldn't be surprised to see snake elves included.


Ah gotcha, ya I did notice that at the beginning but was hopeful for more releases lol.
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/07/warband-focus-spiteclaws-swarmgw-homepage-post-1/

Skaven focus article and tactics basics.

They seem to describe them as a counter to the more aggressive playstyles. I was somewhat under the impression that Objective based strategies were dominating?

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