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So am I moron or what? I know sisters are... well they are sisters but they are one of the first armies I ever owned and I want to go back to playing them, I know rules wise not the strongest and they are expensive to get into but the money isn't really the biggest issue with a bunch of GW gift cards I've got stored away and a little bit I've saved to go into a army anyway. So can I have some advice? Am I being stupid for wanting to buy old metal models, that may not even realistically ever be competitive again but then I loved the army for more then being competitive anyway.
   
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Realistically be competitive again?

They're probably the second best index army if not the first, depending whether you value more different units being good or just straight tournament placings. They're really quite solid atm.

I would say Plastic Sisters are almost an inevitability at this point. They are the next big army project coming down the line for GW. So if you are picking up models, do it sparingly as you go, and then when plastics drop, you can get some of those too.

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As the scotsman said they are actually quite powerful at the moment and the metal models are still good as is the plastic Saint and her companions.

Chapter Approved gave a boost to the Canonness with the relic sword which is nice and the stragems.

GW should be doing Sisters but they have to keep churning out new Marines (only new 40k models made this year sadly)

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I went back to Sisters after Index Nids turned out to be actually really boring and honestly even after playing Codex Nids I still kind of want to go back to the Sisters.

People will tell you Repressors and Dominions are the only way to play but honestly I've found most units in the Index to be good (except Celestians). I almost feel bad getting free shooting turns with Retributors and heavy bolters. Almost.


 
   
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Saw sisters take on codex marines recently, they lost because the marine player went first but they took out most of his army thanks to good use of faith points.

But I'd wait for plastics.
   
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Do it!!!

Sisters are competitive, Repressor Doms are great for Alpha Strikes, but by no means are they the only way to play Sisters. A squad of Seraphim toting Inferno pistols is great to run alongside Celestine. Heavy bolter Rets are great with a Canoness and Imagifers in your backfield. BSS are okay for Troops choices. They get better with stormbolters, what doesn't? The Exorcist got a buff (point reduction) but still is almost too random to be worth it. The index buffed just about every unit in the list with the previously mentioned Celestians being the only real disappointment.

Though CA made the eviscerator Canoness cheap enough that a supreme command detachment of them with a squad of Celestians to help soak wounds might be a fun "lets see what this does" addition to the army. Then of course you have the new Martydom strategem that can make even the lowly Dialogus into a game changer.

Also, there is Celestine. Have you heard of her?

Don't hold your breath on plastic Sisters. If GW was releasing them the internet would be on fire, and its not. So look to ebay or trades to get a quick start.

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A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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I'd say go for it, but don't plan on plastic Sisters anytime soon. There are ways to do them - and quite well, namely using the Dreamforge Eisenkern line of Valkir models, etc. Admittedly not much cheaper going that route than buying metal Sisters, but if you want them - they're possible.

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I am with the OP, have been looking at getting a sister army again. I say go for it op, Sisters are quite cool this time around, and are very fluffy. I like the look of the plastic sister conversions that Elbows showed, but yeah it's expensive. Still, it's the way I actually expect female power armor would look in 40k.
   
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I had the same urge a few months ago and had some sisters of silence laying around. I asked the group of guys I play with if they would mind me using SoS as SoB until GW came out with plastic sisters. Everyone was cool with it so I have been running 2 BSS with melta,melta,combi-melta in 2 immolators with multi meltas plus Celestine and an imagifier. Thats 12 melta gun shots per turn (if both AoF go off) + 4 multi melta shots + whatever celestine does for 730 points. Not bad. I use them as an allied force for my Black Templars. They add a pretty good punch while my crusaders are swinging swords.

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Don't let anyone tell you how to play.

I run a 2000 point Brigade list for 12 CP with only 2 immolators as the tanks, using full-size 10-girl squads for troops with Celestine flitting about.

It may not be the 2% optimal build but it's actually fairly routinely beats the Imperial Guard conscript wall + artillery at my local club, even before the nerfs. ("Oh, good, those 4 remaining conscripts in that unit lose 1 more to pass morale.")

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the_scotsman wrote:
Realistically be competitive again?

They're probably the second best index army if not the first, depending whether you value more different units being good or just straight tournament placings. They're really quite solid atm.

I would say Plastic Sisters are almost an inevitability at this point. They are the next big army project coming down the line for GW. So if you are picking up models, do it sparingly as you go, and then when plastics drop, you can get some of those too.

Source on being the next big project?

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the_scotsman wrote:


I would say Plastic Sisters are almost an inevitability at this point. They are the next big army project coming down the line for GW.


I've been hearing variations on that theme since I started the hobby 6 years ago. At this point, I'm not going to believe in plastic sisters until I'm holding them in my hand.

And even then, I'll be a little suspicious.

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I really want to start sisters of battle too, but until they have plastic models... I'll play with SoS and Celestine and the Geminae in between.

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Do it, but be ready to sell your first born to afford the metal miniatures.

Or look for cheap plastic ones on ebay and ask no questions.

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#1 If you want to to do it. Do it.
#2 Read through this: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/729085.page
#3 Start with Celestine, Rhinos, Immolators, Repressors. Buy and paint all the plastic first.... just in case.
#4 You can never have too much melta.

 
   
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So to address Deviant Duck's post...

1) YES ABSOLUTELY
2) YES, also.
3) What? No, you don't need that many transports. It is the current best list, but absolutely not mandatory. Celestine, however, is.
4) No, I only run 8 meltas and 3 Combi-meltas at 2000 points. Storm bolters are the real party guns.
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
What? No, you don't need that many transports. It is the current best list, but absolutely not mandatory. Celestine, however, is.


His point has more to do with the fact that they're plastic, I think.

I personally love converting heavily armoured rhinos out of the vindicator kit though.

   
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 Captain Joystick wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
What? No, you don't need that many transports. It is the current best list, but absolutely not mandatory. Celestine, however, is.


His point has more to do with the fact that they're plastic, I think.

I personally love converting heavily armoured rhinos out of the vindicator kit though.


Oh, haha, fair enough.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I'd say go for it, but don't plan on plastic Sisters anytime soon. There are ways to do them - and quite well, namely using the Dreamforge Eisenkern line of Valkir models, etc. Admittedly not much cheaper going that route than buying metal Sisters, but if you want them - they're possible.

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Really like those and honestly the bulkier look works because they are regular humans after all.




   
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I think you do absolutely want all those tanks.

The Immolator tank is pretty good, and the Repressor is also good. I've been running Vanguard detachments with Dominions, and haven't had a problem with the lack of Ob-sec because I either wipe out my enemy or pen him into his deployment zone where he can't get to the objectives. I'm actually undefeated with the SoB [can't claim the same for my other armies, though], this edition, but it's been getting more difficult as everyone else gets their codecies and heavy infantry options get cost reductions.

We struggle with multiwound heavy infantry and excel against tanks and light infantry.



Avoid Celestians and Repentia, but that's not new information. The Exorcist is also terrible, and Rets are strictly average. Dominions and Seraphim are great, but the latter is only great as long as they're under an Act of Faith. Immolators and Repressors are both good, mostly for their transport value, but I've have good things from both Multimelta and Immolation Flamer Immolators. Battle Sisters Squads are honestly extremely underwhelming. St. C is St. C, and Canonesses are terrible but mandatory. I haven't had anything useful ever come out of Hospitallers and Dialogus, and Imagifers are, in my opinion, too unreliable. The Adeptus Ministorium units are okay.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Captain Joystick wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
What? No, you don't need that many transports. It is the current best list, but absolutely not mandatory. Celestine, however, is.


His point has more to do with the fact that they're plastic, I think.

I personally love converting heavily armoured rhinos out of the vindicator kit though.


Oh, haha, fair enough.
Yes. I was saying go for the plastic first to keep you busy for a couple months just in case* there's some sort of SoB release first quarter.

*Disclaimer: Oh my god, hahahhahaha... There's no way there will be a SoB release.

 
   
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I will wait for plastic sisters.
Have been waiting for two decades.
I can wait some more
   
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 Mayk0l wrote:
I will wait for plastic sisters.
Have been waiting for two decades.
I can wait some more

Yeah. Same.

I'm sure they'll be released right after Codex:Squats.

   
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 Mayk0l wrote:
I will wait for plastic sisters.
Have been waiting for two decades.
I can wait some more decades.


Fixed that for you...

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I'd say go for it, but don't plan on plastic Sisters anytime soon. There are ways to do them - and quite well, namely using the Dreamforge Eisenkern line of Valkir models, etc. Admittedly not much cheaper going that route than buying metal Sisters, but if you want them - they're possible.

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These models look incredible! Where are you getting the female heads, though? All I see that comes with the kit are helmets.
   
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You could try doing something with the Sisters of Silence models; the backpack/cloak situation is a problem, they don't have a lot of poses, you need to find helmets from somewhere, and the only weapons you've got are bolters and flamers (and they're just enough smaller than most of the range that you can't easily swap in meltaguns from elsewhere (I may see if I can scrounge some Elysian or Krieger parts to cannibalize, though)), but they're in-scale, plastic, not massively expensive ($25/5 models on Ebay last I checked), and the armour is pretty cool.

(I tried the Valkir and didn't really like the result; Marine guns fit well, but they're too bulky, short on cloth, look too high-tech and not baroque enough, and I haven't seen a head-swap on them that I like yet.)

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think you do absolutely want all those tanks.

The Immolator tank is pretty good, and the Repressor is also good. I've been running Vanguard detachments with Dominions, and haven't had a problem with the lack of Ob-sec because I either wipe out my enemy or pen him into his deployment zone where he can't get to the objectives. I'm actually undefeated with the SoB [can't claim the same for my other armies, though], this edition, but it's been getting more difficult as everyone else gets their codecies and heavy infantry options get cost reductions.

We struggle with multiwound heavy infantry and excel against tanks and light infantry.



Avoid Celestians and Repentia, but that's not new information. The Exorcist is also terrible, and Rets are strictly average. Dominions and Seraphim are great, but the latter is only great as long as they're under an Act of Faith. Immolators and Repressors are both good, mostly for their transport value, but I've have good things from both Multimelta and Immolation Flamer Immolators. Battle Sisters Squads are honestly extremely underwhelming. St. C is St. C, and Canonesses are terrible but mandatory. I haven't had anything useful ever come out of Hospitallers and Dialogus, and Imagifers are, in my opinion, too unreliable. The Adeptus Ministorium units are okay.


I'd like to advocate for HB rets, they're a great AoF target and they really, really benefit from the mandatory canoness while being extremely cheap. 2 units of HB rets with an imagifier will quietly get 2-3 times their points back in light-medium infantry. That said, never take more than 1 imag unless you're running MM rets.

Canoness with the new relic is actually monstrous in close quarters. I don't think there're very many things in the game that can 1v1 her for the 57 points PS+Inferno Pistol build (aren't GKs paladins about that? She'd kill him in shooting.)

Exorcist are pretty underwhelming, even for 135pts but they're still better point for point than standard Leman Russes and as Russ Veal of AoS fame has said 'When only one unit in the army does the thing your list needs to be able to do to win, it doesn't really matter what it costs, you still need it.'

Which...am and SM both have better artillery but if you want the swaggy pure sisters hype Exorcists ARE the only game in town.


 
   
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So I've been looking now and where does one find a repressor, it seems like Forgeworld no longer make a kit and everything I have seen seems to be people trying to make there own, and while I am decent at a few things that construction addition to make it look right seems like it maybe a struggle for me
   
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