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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
How compatible are the larger Primaris Marines with parts from other Kits, like helmets, shoulder pads etc?


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 Lance845 wrote:
Mark IV helmets are the best helmets.

I'm a Raven Guard player, so I have to disagree and propose the Mark V beaky helmets.

Beakie is mkVI, heresy pattern is mkV

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
The masks made them look like they were constantly mouthbreathing

I agree, in fact all my marines, which are SW, don't have a single helmet

except for the bikers right? cause you know..safety??

Ehm....no. I kitted my WG bikers with the TWC heads

 Chamberlain wrote:
The points for weapons being separate in the back of the codex has basically meant that my gaming group is totally fine with taking primaris squads and equipping them like traditional tactical, assault, devestator, etc., squads. Magnetizing them is definitely happening. We're also cool with not following the transport rules that prevent Primaris units from getting in drop pods or land raiders or whatever.

If anything I hate the pre-primaris marines more from a model perspective. Their legs are just too short so their proportions are all wrong. When you see them next to a Cadian how short they are in general is just silly.

Fictional introduction of Primaris was weak though. I like the idea of a new founding and a crusade and all that, but I felt it was a bit too out of nowhere. Once they are present though, they just function as marines. Check out the Dark Imperium or Crusade stories and they' just do marine things.

I think over time the primaris marines will be fluffed out in a way that is acceptable. right now we have 2 or 3 novels that touch on them and 3 codex entries. thats not a lot of data out there compared to how much is out there for standard marines

Personally, I hate the models and the ridiculous knots they’be tied the background in to fit them into it. But I’ve stockpiled enough old Marine kits to keep me happy, so I’m just going to sort of ignore them as best as possible.

I don't mind the new models, but I detest the new lore. I'm willing to give GW more time to fix things, but its not looking good. They have essentially written themselves into a corner. The "Fix it all Cawl" excuse has already run its course. Not only does Cawl surpass the Emperor's ability to create super soldiers but every innovation going forward will essentially be "Cawl did it". To make matters worse, GW is forcing every chapter to suffer catastrophic losses so that they are forced to take in primaris. The new Dark Angel fluff is basically Baal 2.0. Blood Angels wiped out nearly to the man, Guilliman swoops in & reinforces them with primaris. Dark Angels wiped out, Guilliman swoops in & reinforces them with primaris. The Dark Angels would never accept outsiders with open arms due to their nature. The icing on the cake is how 40k is being turned into drama. No longer about epic scale conflict, but rather a conflict between personalities. Herohammer if you will. Just wait until more primarchs enter center stage. Its going to be all about the primarchs & essentially 30k 2.0.

Go ahead & laugh but I honestly think if this type of nonsense continues we are going to see the Warhammer 40k community divide into two separate camps. Pre-Gathering Storm & post Gathering Storm. Pre-Gathering storm will still advance the plot, but in an actual sensible lore appropriate ways. New technologies introduced through discovery of lost STC facilities/Forgeworlds. Primaris wouldn't exist. Would likely be replaced with Thunderwarriors etc.

Yep, put me in with "the models are fine, the lore is garbage".

 Lum wrote:
I started typing a snarky respond here, mostly aimed at "Am I the only one that..." when I realized that would really not add anything to this discussion (also I am listening to christmas songs and just extremly relaxed, so no interest in souring my mood).

Oh well thank you for sparing us.

I am blissfully ignorant of the lore.

The miniatures look fine. The lore makes me want to vomit.

Martel732 wrote:
I am blissfully ignorant of the lore.

Do what I do, make your own up, justify the units you want, ignore the ones you don't field.

leopard wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I am blissfully ignorant of the lore.

Do what I do, make your own up, justify the units you want, ignore the ones you don't field.

I also decided that since they give weapon and model costs separately, I'd make up my own datasheets as well:

 Chamberlain wrote:

If anything I hate the pre-primaris marines more from a model perspective. Their legs are just too short so their proportions are all wrong. When you see them next to a Cadian how short they are in general is just silly.

You understand that makes the Cadians the problem, right? Not SMs.

Put a normal SM next to literally any other normal human model (2nd ed. IG, DKOK, WMH Winter Guard etc.) and you'll notice which is out of scale.

Ruin wrote:

Put a normal SM next to literally any other normal human model (2nd ed. IG, DKOK, WMH Winter Guard etc.) and you'll notice which is out of scale.

Nope. While Cadians have awkward proportions, they're not taller than GW's newer human kits or FWs humans.

At first i hated the knee pad thing they got but its growing on knee.



but i really love the scale and like how they look next to the newer marine kits (death guard and tsons)

they really need to upgrade normal marine kits.

Look at the new BA and DA... a lot of their staple units are original Marine. The hatred is unfounded and based solely upon suspicion.

 Primark G wrote:
Look at the new BA and DA... a lot of their staple units are original Marine. The hatred is unfounded and based solely upon suspicion.

it's also your typical "new unit over reaction" among space marine players. we saw it with centurions too in a little while once the fluff has been fleshed out, and we see how this new stuff fits in with the existing stuff people'll chill out and accept them.

I like the new marines. They look great. The fluff is fine with me as well, they’re a spark of hope in a galaxy falling apart.

I don’t like how they can’t ride in old marine vehicles though. That is stupid.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Look at the new BA and DA... a lot of their staple units are original Marine. The hatred is unfounded and based solely upon suspicion.

it's also your typical "new unit over reaction" among space marine players. we saw it with centurions too in a little while once the fluff has been fleshed out, and we see how this new stuff fits in with the existing stuff people'll chill out and accept them.

Centurions still do not appear in my army, and they're still dumb.

Devcents are so over costed now - not worth it any more imo.

In regards to only one option for a transport I feel that in general the development team was overly cautious with Primaris Marines. I’m sure they knew there’d be push back so reasons...

 Primark G wrote:
Devcents are so over costed now - not worth it any more imo.

No joke, a Centurion unarmed or a Dreadnought unarmed. Crazy.

(Even if they were much cheaper, I still wouldn't be taking them though.)

I neither hate them nor have any use for them.

 Insectum7 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
Look at the new BA and DA... a lot of their staple units are original Marine. The hatred is unfounded and based solely upon suspicion.

it's also your typical "new unit over reaction" among space marine players. we saw it with centurions too in a little while once the fluff has been fleshed out, and we see how this new stuff fits in with the existing stuff people'll chill out and accept them.

Centurions still do not appear in my army, and they're still dumb.

sure, there are some players that basicly refuse to use any post 3rd edition units. Someone out there proably refuses to use those new frangled terminators or non beakie armor. but by and large centurions have become ACCEPTED now compared to the massive "OMG! THEY SUCK" initial reaction at the dawn of 6th ed.

I hate the lore for them, but the models seem okay. If I didn't already have around 400 marines already, I'd likely pick up some Aggressors, Reivers and Inceptors. Though I think I'd put the Reiver masks on the Inceptors.

I think making the Centurion models was a mistake, but the physical models look better if you don't put all the armor sheathing on them.

 Primark G wrote:
Devcents are so over costed now - not worth it any more imo.

In regards to only one option for a transport I feel that in general the development team was overly cautious with Primaris Marines. I’m sure they knew there’d be push back so reasons...

That's literally my only issue with the whole Primaris thing, the transports. Let me put them in a Land Raider or Stormraven! And if they don't fit in a Rhino, at give us a low end transport for them too. Not just real money price, something lower end points wise for shuttling them.

As a Dark Angels player of over 20 years I am actually liking the new Primaris line. They look fantastic and I am enjoying the build of my DA multi-part Hellblasters at the moment. The Primaris have done well enough on the tabletop as part of a integrated force - I think that they need regular support such as Predators etc just like normal Space Marines. I like the concept of Intercessors being focused on their personal weapons and not simply the one heavy weapon in the squad. Since 3rd Ed came out, Tacticals have just been a way to get a Heavy Weapon - that's fine for Guard or real-world infantry but not for Space Marines.

Their fluff is a little Deus ex Machina, but it works for me since the 40K universe has plenty of that. I think that the game needed a little jolt to the background and the Primaris have given us that without wiping it out. Reading through the Dark Angels Codex, the Primaris are working hard to earn the trust of the Chapter leadership. Time has passed (the Codex refers to decades), and the new arrivals are settling in.

The fluff question will be whether or not new intitiates will follow the Primaris route or the old ways. I wouldn't miss old-school Tactical squads, but I would miss Terminators, Bikes, Predators, Landspeeders etc.

Having said all that, I respect and understand the position of those who do not like the look and feel of the new line. I hope that GW can maintain both lines over time.

Cheers,

Models: hate the inceptors (they look so akward) really like the rest of the line. I'm not the greatest painter and they are sooo much easier to paint well than stock marines.

The vehicles are ugly as sin. The dread needs to be taller and the repulsor is a mess.

Lore: As everyone else has said it is terrible.

Game play: Hellblasters yes. Price reductions for the other infantry means they might actually see a place in my army but their lack of diversity really bothers me. The vehicles are terrible.

General feel: I feel like I'm being set-up for full on replacement. I wish they would have come out with their own codex (like another chapter, ie spacewolves) That way they could be integrated into existing armies without feeling like they were replacing my army. Would make more sense from a fluff perspective (here comes Gman with his new toys) instead of all your guys will need this extra booster shot so they can grow another set of organs and another foot of height.

tl;dr: Inceptors and vehicles are ugly. Points reduction will help them on the table. Wish they were their own codex. Much easier to paint.

I hate everything about Primaris models, especially the lore.

The horribly contrived lore makes me hate the whole idea of Primaris.

The Primaris kit’s lack of options is their biggest drawback aesthetically speaking. If you look at the SM Tac Squad kit you have several different armor variations. They are also poseable at the waist. This keeps them from looking like the same model repeated over and over. The primaris kit has like 5(?) different poses and the exact same armor for every model. It makes them look unrealistic IMO. They are boring. Even when painted as different chapters they still look like the exact same marines. They have no character.

For years players said they want the lore to advance... then they finally got it and now there are still complaints. It is actually not that bad at all.

 Primark G wrote:
For years players said they want the lore to advance... then they finally got it and now there are still complaints. It is actually not that bad at all.

Well its not like the players are some sort of hive mind

some people like it
some people cling onto the past

I think the fluff is actually kind of cool knowing that Cawl started to manufacture them back during the period just prior to the heresy... then he forgot about them and they kept popping out going into stasis - LOL! Now there are even pure Primaris Chapters and that is pretty darn cool.