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The stuff there has been on sale for ages - the most recent bits are the Astral Claws bits and Commander Culln from the Badab War books. That's from, what, 5th edition?

Another week of un-releases.

What is happening at FW?

Rinion wrote:
I am assuming the Arc Lance is S+6 in melee?

The Terrax drill is lovely though, need to get a couple now!

No, it is just a flat str 3 in combat.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another week of un-releases.

What is happening at FW?

They're probably busy working on casting stuff for all the OOP kits people ordered at the last minute. I'd expect more weeks like this, now that FW have figured out that you get more weekly sales by putting stuff on last chance to buy than by making new kits. Why put out new releases when you still have kits left to discontinue?

FW is clearly restructuring itself and pushing to become more mainstream in GW product lines. They've added a Sigmar segment to their development team and others for the smaller games as well. In short I think FW is simply cutting product lines that have sold in small quantities overall and is likely going to strip out some more before expanding what they offer.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The stuff there has been on sale for ages - the most recent bits are the Astral Claws bits and Commander Culln from the Badab War books. That's from, what, 5th edition?

That Commander Culln model comes from Imperial Armour 4: Anphelion Project.
The Vanguard Veteran kits come from Siege of Vraks.

Valthex and Astral Claws are the only stuff from Badab War I can readily think of as I'm just waking up. Everything else is earlier.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another week of un-releases.

What is happening at FW?

It really is ridiculous - so much blood bowl and Necromunda stuff shown and in the queue, but then stupidly excessive amounts of sweet hee-haw actually being put up for sale! It really is incredibly frustrating - they need a much better way of signalling and fulfilling a coherent release pattern - even just following the main studios model.

Goblins last week, no releases this week. Wow. Would like that Human booster, or Krole, or for them to ship my damn Acquisitor.

Kdash wrote:

Rinion wrote:
I am assuming the Arc Lance is S+6 in melee?

The Terrax drill is lovely though, need to get a couple now!

No, it is just a flat str 3 in combat.

It’s +3 on the version available from Warhammer Community

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/warhammer_40000_secutarii_hoplites_en-3.pdf

Given that having a flat S3 instead of “S user” would be weird, I’m banking on the community version.

The removal of Red Scorpions stuff is concerning. They're FW's special marine chapter. They're featured in the FoC artwork we've seen, and the new marine superheavy was painted in their colors.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The removal of Red Scorpions stuff is concerning. They're FW's special marine chapter. They're featured in the FoC artwork we've seen, and the new marine superheavy was painted in their colors.

I imagine that FoC is dead. I doubt they will ever pick that book back up.

Red Scorpions will now have only Characters and shoulder pads. No specific bodies for regular marines (assault, veterans, standard marines). But they have the super Culn Leviathan and the command squad and the 2 special characters.

Babdad war stuff is going away. Red Scorpions are being minimized. I am wondering when Orks will lose their stuff from FW? I should probably make sure I have the last couple Ork things I want before they disappear.

changemod wrote:

Kdash wrote:

Rinion wrote:
I am assuming the Arc Lance is S+6 in melee?

The Terrax drill is lovely though, need to get a couple now!

No, it is just a flat str 3 in combat.

It’s +3 on the version available from Warhammer Community

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/warhammer_40000_secutarii_hoplites_en-3.pdf

Given that having a flat S3 instead of “S user” would be weird, I’m banking on the community version.

Eh, i could have sworn 100% that when i looked earlier, it did not have the "+" there. In fact i am certain it wasn't! Hopefully it is +3, otherwise it'd just be meh

Yeah, it looks like they have updated the document editing really is a problem for GW

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The removal of Red Scorpions stuff is concerning. They're FW's special marine chapter. They're featured in the FoC artwork we've seen, and the new marine superheavy was painted in their colors.

I'm not seeing anything relatively recent in the Red Scorpions list. No Sevrin Loth, Culln the Risen, or Regents of the Ordon Rift.

It's all stuff from Vraks or before in terms of resin.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The removal of Red Scorpions stuff is concerning. They're FW's special marine chapter. They're featured in the FoC artwork we've seen, and the new marine superheavy was painted in their colors.

One assumes we're seeing the removal of the non Primaris marine stuff to make way for Fw primaris marine stuff as/when ?

Mechanicus rules? Immediately after saying they weren’t getting rules?

Space Marine products going OOP?

What is this, opposite day?

stormboy wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The removal of Red Scorpions stuff is concerning. They're FW's special marine chapter. They're featured in the FoC artwork we've seen, and the new marine superheavy was painted in their colors.

I imagine that FoC is dead. I doubt they will ever pick that book back up.

Which is nuts because their books exist, in the end, to sell models. Given that, what book would a sane manager push out first?

A) one overdue for nearly four years, with rules for 3 complete ranges (AM, RS, Tau) you already have in production and can sell immediately;
B) one overdue for a year, that will push your sales at best a little, given daemons, Calth, and Prospero boxes are plastics from GW, BA have six different sets of plastic upgrade pads and tons of parts in plastic, too, leaving you with some BA leftovers and at best White Scar sales... oh, wait, we just squatted those so there is no point of doing so anyway;
C) one utterly insane vanity project no one asked for, that duplicates existing GW plastic range, so 95% of people will just convert plastic Custodes and SoS and call it a day, resulting in zero sales;

Given FW went with C, then B, then A, it's clear as a day GW does not, in fact, tell them what to do as any even remotely sane sales manager would tell them to cut the and publish FoC yesterday, instead of sitting on finished book* for years because the FW is too lazy to convert a few rules to 8th and start selling stuff like hotcakes, instead preferring to squat it. Just look at mechanicus rules, it took outrage due to FW FoC stupidity on facebook page for GW to finally tell them to get their arses in gear and write something instead of waiting for it to also go LCTB...

*and yes, I am aware of stupid excuse "we need to update fluff" but it makes no sense, first, no other IA book mentioned anything about goings in the other parts of the Imperium, so you could get away with just adding a few token sentences if you really have to, if not going for obvious solution and stating the book is set in M41, problem solved.

A lot of people were asking for the Custodes book, actually.

 ImAGeek wrote:
A lot of people were asking for the Custodes book, actually.

30k talons and 30k mechanicus are two sides of the same coin for inserting 40k rules for ready to go models.

I’m happy to see either, just a shame they focused on the newer project.

I feel like FW is dying... and the HH too. Book series almost entirely stalled out, tons of models going oop, not much new coming out, and what does is under the GW banner it seems more than anything (Necromunda). It just seems like they are quietly going out of business and just consolidating under the main GW brand.

I don't see that at all, but I think they are refocusing. If anything it might be that they are getting more pressure ot make non-marine stuff (something people have been calling for for ages).

Also do we know the sales volume of many of these upgrade items? There might be a lot being cut, but it could be that they just have not been selling.

But FW has always been a specialty line.

So products that don't move all the time is what they do. Or used to.

They did ok keeping themselves going on yearly IA books with neat armies and gear for customizing.

Now they are removing the specialty section of their range. Standard Terminator shoulder pads? Standard torsos for their custom chapter (which was featured in the dead FoC)?

It feels like FW is streamlining... which I don't think is a great thing. FW always existed as a way to add diversity to the GW ranges. Now all of that diversity (outside of HH) is going away.

stormboy wrote:

Now they are removing the specialty section of their range. Standard Terminator shoulder pads? Standard torsos for their custom chapter (which was featured in the dead FoC)?

Ehhh...Terminator Shoulder Pads is a bit iffy. When the Blood Angels and Black Templar ones came out, GW didn't produce any themselves. Now we have a dedicated Blood Angels Terminator kit and Black Templars still have their plastic upgrade sprue(which has Terminator pads on it).
Torsos for the Red Scorpions are the ones from Vraks just slightly retooled. They're old at this point.

Salamanders have their own Terminator variants, period, that can be built as standard Terminators if you so choose for 40k proper.

It feels like FW is streamlining... which I don't think is a great thing. FW always existed as a way to add diversity to the GW ranges. Now all of that diversity (outside of HH) is going away.

It really doesn't. They've always gotten rid of old stuff--it's just now we see in advance when it happens.

 Kanluwen wrote:

stormboy wrote:

Now they are removing the specialty section of their range. Standard Terminator shoulder pads? Standard torsos for their custom chapter (which was featured in the dead FoC)?

Ehhh...Terminator Shoulder Pads is a bit iffy. When the Blood Angels and Black Templar ones came out, GW didn't produce any themselves. Now we have a dedicated Blood Angels Terminator kit and Black Templars still have their plastic upgrade sprue(which has Terminator pads on it).
Torsos for the Red Scorpions are the ones from Vraks just slightly retooled. They're old at this point.

Salamanders have their own Terminator variants, period, that can be built as standard Terminators if you so choose for 40k proper.

It feels like FW is streamlining... which I don't think is a great thing. FW always existed as a way to add diversity to the GW ranges. Now all of that diversity (outside of HH) is going away.

It really doesn't. They've always gotten rid of old stuff--it's just now we see in advance when it happens.

I would have agreed - except this isn't slowing reducing old stuff. This is a wholesale clearout. Over the past few months they have cleared out the old. This is more than just getting rid of old stuff.

 ImAGeek wrote:
A lot of people were asking for the Custodes book, actually.

Agreed, and I'm interested in it too. To be honest, I don't sense huge demand for FoC. I know it has some people desperately wanting it, but *everyone* playing 30K is interested in Malevolence. And the Custodes 'codex' is low-hanging fruit for FW...it'll be easier than writing FoC OR Malevolence AND a unique opportunity to fill out a popular but very limited GW range.

To be clear, though -- I hope folks get their FoC. But the FW calendar is practically geologic, so if something's not firmly on it...yikes.


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I feel like FW is dying... and the HH too. Book series almost entirely stalled out, tons of models going oop, not much new coming out, and what does is under the GW banner it seems more than anything (Necromunda). It just seems like they are quietly going out of business and just consolidating under the main GW brand.

Well, on the interwebz you can also literally find people saying that 30K is stronger than ever and the future brighter than ever.

I think the truth is in the middle. All signs point to it being a diminished product, for the reasons you mention and many more. There are some strong communities out there, but many have also dried up. And it seems popular at events, but that's what happens when you can't find fellow players at a local level...you travel to events to get an opportunity to play.

I also wouldn't want to lay money on whether we'll ever see Book X. As I've said before, 30K is an *insane* product. Who releases their rules for a game in a yearly(-ish) series of $120, 300 page lavish coffee table books? When you take a step back, it's bonkers on multiple levels, including the person-hours invested. At a company like GW, that's going to be questioned. I could see them getting the Legions done and then putting the whole thing on long-term hiatus.

*STILL*, FW proceeding with Malevolence says that they're interested in having 30K stick around. They had every opportunity to drop it after AB's passing, if that's what they wanted. So I tend to think that it'll settle back in as a niche game for grognards, after having flirted with the prospect of becoming another 'core' game.

I feel that FW hit their high with the initial release of the HH and have almost been chasing that high ever since and couldn't go back to their business model from before of producing the niche products that didn't necessarily make them a bucket load of money . Just looking at some of the releases for the heresy like all the different variations of the Sicarian it seems as if they are just scared of taking risks.

Very sad I, have heard that these are likely to be the only Mechanicum rules 40k gets.

FoC has been taken out back and given the emperor's mercy, will only be seen if someone is bin diving in Nottingham.

The office politics continue and FW are losing ground, expect them to be only churning out AoS crap and specialist games within 18 months. Under the banner of GW specialist games as FW is quietly shuffled off under the stairs like a discarded mk7 marine.

 zedmeister wrote:
40k Ad-Mech Terrax rules!

Download

Peltasts

Hoplites

Now that Ad-Mech have their first transport, expect the Terrax about to sell out in 3, 2...

The best part is the immediate disembark. They really needed that instead of having my infantry fiddlefart for a turn doing nothing.

Not sure if it's worth 140 points but it's something to at least try out. A hefty 25-30 discount is likely needed.

How it is a WS4+ BS3+ 10W S12 T7 3+ model that can transport 12 models, with deepstrike, D3 Melta shoots, 2 storm bolters (Or two twi volkite chargers for 12 points more, totally worth it), that hits in meele with 6 A at S12, -4P, 3D ,that causes mortal wounds.... for 146 points... not worth it?! Especially in the faction with Electro-Priests.

It's paying for melee it won't get to use basically, and it has about the same durability of a Rhino for about twice the price.

The Peltists and Hoplites seem like a nice idea, but they just aren't worth the points (not a surprise from forgeworld.) And it seems silly for them to not get traits. If they were troops, got traits, and were ~2 points cheaper, then we'd be talking.