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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 09:48:04
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Speed Drybrushing
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Yodhrin wrote:Kijamon wrote:
Now I'll admit I know nothing about the sizes of these moulds or their values...
Then why are you holding forth on the subject? Unless FW are being gratuitously wasteful with their silicone, they should be able to fit all the molds for any given product entry(a squad of infantry, a tank etc) into a shoebox for all but the big stuff. Hell I could probably store most of FW's range just by lining the walls of my one bedroom flat with bookshelves. The only real "cost" in keeping low sales volume products available is when the molds wear out and need to be replaced, which can require a good few hours of labour, but stored properly molds will last for years and years without being used, and good quality silicone properly cared for(which FW do, judging by the amount of 'orrible greasy mold release you often find on their stuff when you order) can get dozens of flawless pulls and sometimes hundreds of slightly imperfect ones after that depending on how many overhangs and intricate & rough details are on the cast, so if they're only having to cast something say five times a year it could be a decade or more before replacing the molds becomes a consideration. And doing the actual casts isn't some epic, production line-disrupting task like it is with injection molded plastics, you literally just mix a cup of resin, pour it in, stick it in a pressure chamber for a wee while and then pull the cast, most commercial casting resins have a demold time of a few hours at most.
As for "what's the point" - goodwill? Giving customers the impression that you're committed to the products you produce and aren't going to just discontinue half of them while people are only part way through buying armies from you at great expense? Maintaining the appearance that FW is a boutique entity distinct from GWHQ that exists to cater to artistic whim and veteran customers with high quality niche products? Dismissing "intangible" value is the reason GW canned the specialist games last time around, but as usual they seem to have learned the lesson only in very specific terms and continue to make the same mistakes elsewhere.
And as you seem to know nothing about resin moulds maybe you should stop your yakking as well. I've been a Patternmaker for 23yrs so I know what nonsense your spewing
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 09:48:51
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Peregrine wrote:timd wrote:Molds take up quite a bit of space, especially if you are being efficient and making gang molds (multiple casts of a piece or pieces from a single mold) and apparently space has become an issue at GW. With a set of gang molds you also end up with multiple sets of cast miniatures, not just one, so the excess sets need to be stored until someone orders another one.
Space is cheap. The cost of the warehouse space required to store all of FW's molds is a rounding error in GW's overall budget. This is what I mean about treating FW like one guy running a garage kit business. You expect that kind of operation to discontinue stuff because they run out of space in the garage and can't afford $100/month to put their spare parts in a storage unit, you don't expect it from a company with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
You clearly dont spend much time in england my friend. Space is certainly not cheap. (Or even available a lot of the time)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 10:00:43
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 11:25:18
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Rolsheen wrote: Yodhrin wrote:Kijamon wrote:
Now I'll admit I know nothing about the sizes of these moulds or their values...
Then why are you holding forth on the subject? Unless FW are being gratuitously wasteful with their silicone, they should be able to fit all the molds for any given product entry(a squad of infantry, a tank etc) into a shoebox for all but the big stuff. Hell I could probably store most of FW's range just by lining the walls of my one bedroom flat with bookshelves. The only real "cost" in keeping low sales volume products available is when the molds wear out and need to be replaced, which can require a good few hours of labour, but stored properly molds will last for years and years without being used, and good quality silicone properly cared for(which FW do, judging by the amount of 'orrible greasy mold release you often find on their stuff when you order) can get dozens of flawless pulls and sometimes hundreds of slightly imperfect ones after that depending on how many overhangs and intricate & rough details are on the cast, so if they're only having to cast something say five times a year it could be a decade or more before replacing the molds becomes a consideration. And doing the actual casts isn't some epic, production line-disrupting task like it is with injection molded plastics, you literally just mix a cup of resin, pour it in, stick it in a pressure chamber for a wee while and then pull the cast, most commercial casting resins have a demold time of a few hours at most.
As for "what's the point" - goodwill? Giving customers the impression that you're committed to the products you produce and aren't going to just discontinue half of them while people are only part way through buying armies from you at great expense? Maintaining the appearance that FW is a boutique entity distinct from GWHQ that exists to cater to artistic whim and veteran customers with high quality niche products? Dismissing "intangible" value is the reason GW canned the specialist games last time around, but as usual they seem to have learned the lesson only in very specific terms and continue to make the same mistakes elsewhere.
And as you seem to know nothing about resin moulds maybe you should stop your yakking as well. I've been a Patternmaker for 23yrs so I know what nonsense your spewing
Then I pity whoever's been employing you, because I've been molding and casting stuff for my own projects for more than a decade and what I'm "spewing" are basic facts verified by personal experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 13:58:09
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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There’s an opportunity cost to storing low-selling molds as well- they aren’t storing molds that sell well. Simple thought, but it’s worth considering they have limited space available. If they’re planning on producing more molds for new units with limited space available, they’ll have to retire something to make room.
GoatboyBeta wrote:Could be that they have noticed the surge in demand when things go on to last chance. So there in the really odd position of wanting to build up stock before they discontinue something.
I don’t know why, but this thought just tickles me to no end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 14:05:56
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Peregrine wrote:tneva82 wrote:Worktime of employer also costs money. Along with storage.
Storage is so cheap that it isn't worth considering, and labor costs are already included in the cost of the kit. Remember, you still have to store the molds for all of the in-production stuff, so the additional labor costs of keeping everything are negligible things like the employee doing the casting having to spending 10 seconds more to pull a set of molds off a shelf a few steps farther down the row in the warehouse.
Storage in general is cheap, but online storage at the factory is not cheap as they are already struggling for space at the factory for FW for molds and stock. So, offsite storage would be cheap, onsite storage means sacrificing space for other stuff actively in use and comes at a much higher cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/02 15:28:52
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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mistake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/03 10:42:20
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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Looks like one of the Knight head has Sold Out - No Longer Available:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Imperial-Knight-Head-VII
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/03 11:08:58
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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Sorry if I'm late to the party, but how long has the Eldar Avatar with Sword been gone for? I only see the Spear variant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/03 14:22:26
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Over a year or so. It's been gone for quite a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/04 10:40:03
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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I don't think it's been a year? I was going to buy one a couple of months ago and the day I went to buy it it was gone :-/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 09:33:44
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Heard some rumors from someone who heard some rumors that FW Knights might be on LCTB tomorrow...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 09:40:30
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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The FW Knights? That's absurd!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 10:05:11
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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CragHack wrote:
Heard some rumors from someone who heard some rumors that FW Knights might be on LCTB tomorrow...
I highly doubt it. More likely you'll see transfers and the heads go. Possibly the Terryn upgrade kit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 15:52:48
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Lord of the Fleet
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Not really, if you think about it. If FW is really being shifted to handle Specialist games, they're gonna phase out everything eventually. Not that they lower the prices, they just announce this is IT and wait for the panic buys to roll in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 17:31:22
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Fixture of Dakka
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I wonder if FW will take over the GW path of bringing back old kits for a limited time? “Due to popular demand, we’re taking orders for *whatever* for a limited time. Get yours now before we put them back into storage!”
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Black Bases and Grey Plastic Forever:My quaint little hobby blog.
40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team  (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 17:44:03
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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zedmeister wrote: CragHack wrote:
Heard some rumors from someone who heard some rumors that FW Knights might be on LCTB tomorrow...
I highly doubt it. More likely you'll see transfers and the heads go. Possibly the Terryn upgrade kit.
This, especially given how poor or aesthetically different the heads are. I can't imagine the heads were big sellers, whereas, using the entirely unscientific 'what do I see on the web' rule, the Knights themselves seem to do ok.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 18:56:34
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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YMMV, but for me a lot of the alternate heads were just a bit too weird and out of place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/05 19:02:47
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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That’s a shame. I would like to have one of each of those weird heads on hand just because.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 02:00:39
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Sergeant Major
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None of those heads looked good at all. I'm happy their getting rid of them. Glad to see FW doing spring cleaning and getting rid of the garbage. Hopefully some new products will be coming soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 06:53:56
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Dakka Veteran
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It's not like GW/FW remove products based on finger in the air guesses, they know the costs of maintaining the moulds/production of them, the warehousing costs, they know it's opportunity cost, and they know their actual sales figures. No company should keep every one of their products they make available forever, it's just bad business.
Granted it sucks when they just disappear with no warning, but must stuff goes onto LCTB.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 07:20:40
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Fireknife Shas'el
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It would be nice if they started a rolling made to order programme, or even a kick starter-esque pre-order system for the less popular stuff.
The last chance to buy for some of these ranges *cough*Elysians*cough* resulted in large backlogs of orders, so there is latent demand there. FW just need to find a way of making it active.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 07:53:39
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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BaronIveagh wrote:If FW is really being shifted to handle Specialist games, they're gonna phase out everything eventually.
And this is based on... ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 08:21:49
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Douglas Bader
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{insert sarcastic comment about OOP models and/or space marine doors}
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 08:32:06
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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Nice models. At least it isn't another round of LCTB. My wallet is buckling as it is.
Oh, and here's the obligatory "is that all" comment...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 09:51:51
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Material for Haemonculus Experiments
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I'm hoping its not too long before the Van Saar weapon packs get released, I want a full group of breach and clear suppression lasers and shields
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 09:55:30
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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aldo1234 wrote:I'm hoping its not too long before the Van Saar weapon packs get released, I want a full group of breach and clear suppression lasers and shields
Nce. Need an awful lot of credits though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 11:24:02
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Josef Bugman for Bloodbowl
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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And another lacklustre week.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 12:18:51
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Lord of the Fleet
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Because FW lacks the manpower, storage, money, and equipment to have too many projects simultaneously. So, eventually they'ed have to pick 40k or these other projects. Since GW says they want them doing the other projects, then it only stands to reason what happens next.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/07/06 14:54:21
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Last chance marines & Ad mech 40k rules
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BaronIveagh wrote:
Because FW lacks the manpower, storage, money, and equipment to have too many projects simultaneously. So, eventually they'ed have to pick 40k or these other projects. Since GW says they want them doing the other projects, then it only stands to reason what happens next.
People already complain about the index FW rules could you imagine how broken they would be under the GW design team.
Also you just know someone would have the bright idea of moving the models over to failcast.
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