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Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.

It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.

 Peregrine wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.

Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.

It says "temporarily out of stock" when someone orders the last kit currently in inventory but the product is staying around. Once the inventory is back above zero (which can take months sometimes) it automatically becomes available again. It says "no longer available" when it has been set to LCTB (whether openly or behind the scenes) and the last kit sells, and soon after it disappears from the site. The only hope is that, in the past, some kits have gone "no longer available" because they were being repackaged under a different product code. For inventory purposes the original code sells out and is removed, and is replaced by a new item.

Except that this isn't remotely true. The Eldar Lynx and the Dark Eldar Reaper both went No Longer Available around the time of their codecies being released but within a few weeks both came back into stock.

 xttz wrote:
Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.

It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.

Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like the Militia sets have all gone...

That’s saved me £175 on Forge World and £60ish from GW then. Was intending to make a Militia Kill Team using the Astra Militarum rules but wasn’t able to make the order until I had confirmed exactly what I needed when I get the rules next weekend. It’s a shame.

The Castigator is Sold Out as well.

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.

It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.

Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt

They explicitly said in one of the early seminars that the CAD designs were done with both scales in mind.

I wonder if the chaos militia are on their way from GW plastics then, given we only have the snapfit kit from dark vengeance.

Just got an email back from FW. The Lancer is just going from bag to box. Someone on another forum mentioned that the Acheron did the same about a week ago.

Erren wrote:
Just got an email back from FW. The Lancer is just going from bag to box. Someone on another forum mentioned that the Acheron did the same about a week ago.

I can imagine the win a knight competition has helped deplete the old bagged stock rapidly

 whalemusic360 wrote:
The Castigator is Sold Out as well.

I may have just bought the last one

My household needed one to act as the Baron.

 xttz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.

It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.

Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt

They explicitly said in one of the early seminars that the CAD designs were done with both scales in mind.

They might have kept in mind to make transition easy but if you just scale same model unchanged it will result in bad looking models. Scale isn't just size. What works in small scale making good looking model will result in bad looking model in bigger. What you need to exaggerate are different and obviously bigger model needs more details or it will look flat

tneva82 wrote:
They might have kept in mind to make transition easy but if you just scale same model unchanged it will result in bad looking models. Scale isn't just size. What works in small scale making good looking model will result in bad looking model in bigger. What you need to exaggerate are different and obviously bigger model needs more details or it will look flat

No, but lets give GW a tiny bit of credit here, this ain't their first rodeo in digital sculpting. For example they may have sculpted it is such a way to very easily strip the detail while leaving the core model unchanged - scaling that is easy, then readding detail piece by peace and changing as and when necessary.

There's a huge gulf between "hit scale function, done" and "redo from scratch". How much time and effort is required on that can be improved massively be considering both scales from the start and building the digital model appropriately.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I wonder if the chaos militia are on their way from GW plastics then, given we only have the snapfit kit from dark vengeance.

And even then we don't have all of it - no Champions, and no special/heavy weapon dudes.

That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

That ain't even the half of it mate, heard the same middle management GW closing down FW is also zeroing in on Area 51. Seems like Alan Bligh was moonlighting there for R&D, and we all know they haven't had a success since Cumberbatch.

/sarcasm

Neronoxx wrote:
That ain't even the half of it mate, heard the same middle management GW closing down FW is also zeroing in on Area 51. Seems like Alan Bligh was moonlighting there for R&D, and we all know they haven't had a success since Cumberbatch.

I'm not sure why you think this is such a ridiculous theory. We've known for a long time that GW is hopelessly incompetent and full of managers who don't understand the hobby, view other departments as competition, and are perfectly willing to trash that competition if it means a 1% increase in their personal sales numbers for the quarter. That doesn't mean it's true, but it's reasonable speculation.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And even then we don't have all of it - no Champions, and no special/heavy weapon dudes.

Ah yes, the reason why the FW militia kits are gone. It's amazing how a company that supposedly publishes games doesn't understand the connection between rules and model sales.

FW is obviously clearing space so they can accommodate all the other games they are now managing.

Also, so many of the LCTB kits have been stuff that has been out there for years and probably has not sold super well in a long time. It just makes good business sense to clear your inventory, then, every so often, do a temporary restocking sale to generate lots of interest and sales.

Lancer appears to be back. Castigator is still out.

I think it has more to do with the recent success of first their board games and more recently the rerelease of Specialist games. I'm sure the untimely death of one of their driving forces for their biggest seller didn't help either with no one seemingly able to pick up the baton right away.

I obviously don't have any sales data but it also feels like the biggest seller for FW, the HH lines, aren't garnering as much interest as they were a few years ago. People seem over it by now and that 25 year itch was mostly scratched seemingly for alot of folks. Maybe I'm biased as I started tuning out myself after 10 years of BL trying to squeeze so much juice out of a mummified lemon without actually moving the plot along but I don't see the same level of excitement online with newer releases (barring maybe Mechanicum stuff) that was there before. YMMV.

 warboss wrote:
I think it has more to do with the recent success of first their board games and more recently the rerelease of Specialist games. I'm sure the untimely death of one of their driving forces for their biggest seller didn't help either with no one seemingly able to pick up the baton right away.

I obviously don't have any sales data but it also feels like the biggest seller for FW, the HH lines, aren't garnering as much interest as they were a few years ago. People seem over it by now and that 25 year itch was mostly scratched seemingly for alot of folks. Maybe I'm biased as I started tuning out myself after 10 years of BL trying to squeeze so much juice out of a mummified lemon without actually moving the plot along but I don't see the same level of excitement online with newer releases (barring maybe Mechanicum stuff) that was there before. YMMV.

I don't think you're biased. When FW started the HH lines it was easy to be excited. If I remember correctly we got a new book every ~6 months, a preview email every Monday and a new kit every week. Even if it wasn't for my legion of choice it was easy to get excited for that content and patiently wait for the kits that represent my legion. Now that the FW books have largely caught up to the BL series we are left with this quiet period waiting for a new release. Ill be interested to see where we stand in 6 months or a year. At that time all the moves should be done (both personnel and warehouse) and we should have more clarity on what the release timing will be moving forward.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.

Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.



Oh, wait

If you're going to be snarky, probably helps if it doesn't also seem daft. Vedros stuff isn't actually that easy to find given the limitations on who can stock it, frequently going out of stock for weeks or months at a stretch, and the items aren't sold individually so you have to buy boxes with stuff in you may not want. Right now you can buy the Ork set with the Warboss & Koptas in it on UK Amazon, there are exactly seven for sale, and that's the first time I've seen it anywhere in the last several months online or off.

So, they're hardly a counterpoint to the idea that putting stuff in hard to get sets rather than selling them as proper kits is rubbish.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.

Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.



Oh, wait

Wow. Way to pick a product that isn't even sold all around the world. I don't think I've even seen them in GW stores.

You sure showed me.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?

FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.

Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.

 Davespil wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?

FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.

Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.

Well, that take is certainly hot.

For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...

FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.

Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.



Oh, wait

Now care to tell how i in finland can get? None of my usual uk gw store sells those.


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 Davespil wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?

FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.

Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.

God no. So far in gw history fw has shown by far best rule quality. Current gw can't come up with good balanced rules if fate of world dependent on it.

Oh and necro, bloodbowl and at ARE fw products...And apart from the unbalanced junk codexes none of products you listed are main gw designer works. Lol

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.

All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....

I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.

I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.

Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.

Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?

FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.

Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.

Well, that take is certainly hot.

For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...

FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?

When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.

Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh

Specialist games is sub team that was made out of fw guys.


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Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh

Specialist games is sub team that was made out of fw guys.

tneva82 wrote:
Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh

Do you live in some sort of mirror universe where everything is in reverse?

The specialist games team is a branch of Forge World (alongside 40k/Heresy/AoS and Middle Earth).