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2018/08/03 13:46:07
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2018/08/03 15:03:28
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick:
Spoiler:
Thanks for naming those guns and i take it they are all Mars pattern?, i brought a load of them of Ebay ages ago, being out of the hobby for many years i knew they were GW ones but not which etc
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2018/08/03 15:14:44
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick
I'd say it's a throwback to classic IG art showing pump action firing from both holes (even though the bottom one wasn't supposed to be a barrel at all...):
0006/08/03 15:28:56
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick
I'd say it's a throwback to classic IG art showing pump action firing from both holes (even though the bottom one wasn't supposed to be a barrel at all...):
Again, as was pointed out in the sword/sheath issues earlier, GW and FW do not know how weapons work.
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2018/08/03 22:11:02
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
H.B.M.C. wrote: That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
Pocket, ammo belt? You reload after firing those two shots.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
Pocket, ammo belt? You reload after firing those two shots.
Then why is it pump action?
Is it pump action though? That foregrip doesn’t look like it actually has any rails or anything to slide on… as for magazines, we can’t see the other side so they technically could be there, though that’s unlikely. It’s also possible to put a tube mag in the stock if you’re okay with only having four shells or so. There was even once a rifle with a spiral magazine in the stock which held a stupendous number of rounds but it didn’t take off for various reasons.
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2018/08/04 07:41:38
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
My headcanon has always been that the reason so many 40K (Imperial) weapons look just plain wrong is that they're created by (accidentally) mashing together several incomplete STC designs by a Mechanicus adept who doesn't actually understand how guns work.
So you have a shotgun that looks like it's trying to be a pump-action because the design for (part of) the exterior of the weapon was originally from a pump-action weapon. But nobody involved in producing the weapon actually knows that. That strange slidy-grip thing that doesn't seem to do anything useful is still a part of the sacred design specifications and removing it out of some notion of functionalism or efficiency is the most vile kind of tech-heresy. Nobody knows that the priest who originally discovered the design actually just found fragments of several entirely different shotgun patterns and assumed they were supposed to be part of the same weapon because he knew nothing about how shotguns work.
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry.
2018/08/04 08:55:13
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
I'm with HBMC though. If both tubes are barrels then neither is a magazine tube, in which case it should not have a pump (and that doesn't look like a handguard to me).
pm713 wrote: Does it really matter if the weapons are a bit off?
To me, it does. I can suspend disbelief for things like force field gauntlets being used to punch tanks, because that doesn't really exist so GWS is free to interpret how that should work.
I can't suspend disbelief in that shotgun with 2 barrels and ejection ports, because that is a clearly traditional pump shotgun which has no way of actually storing ammo and yet has a pump to do exactly that, because it's a technology that has a real-world analogue that works in a very specific way easily understood by a layman.
It's pretty easily fixed by adding a mag or a drum on the underside of the actual mini, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me in terms of buying it. The art posted is irredeemable though
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2018/08/04 15:49:22
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.
I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.
There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.
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2018/08/06 15:03:52
Subject: Re:Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
The team at Forge World make some truly amazing models – from gargantuan monsters and renowned heroes right up to the towering god-machines of the Titan Legions. Until now, though, getting ahold of these miniatures outside of the UK has not always been easy. While the Forge World website has long provided a wide selection of models to choose from – payment options have been limited, and the only currency anything could be paid for in was British Pounds. Added to that, shipping times, especially in North America, were often pretty long – and we understand that that can be frustrating when you’re eager to add that game-winning unit or centrepiece kit to your collection as soon as possible.
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In addition, we’ll be expanding our payment options.
Alongside the existing PayPal, credit and debit card payments – you’ll find new options for Discover in the US and American Express for US and Canadian shoppers, and a new ELV payment choice for customers in Germany and Austria, meaning that you have more options than ever on how to check out.
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2018/08/06 15:05:44
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
I bet it will. Back when 'Rest of EU" could order from GWs webstore, the euro:gbp rate would, sometimes, make buying from webstore cheaper than via managers. Even though webstore offers smaller discount to trade clients.
My bet is that FW will tie euro and pound to some nasty, nasty 1:0.75 or even 0.7. That doesn't sound like much at first, but for a 400 pound order, even 0,1 difference is 40 euros. Imagine, if one day pound and euro hits 1: 0.9 and you will be tied to 0.7...
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This change worries me. Assuming they are going to use the prices they charge at places like Adepticon, it is a significant price jump from just using the pound and converting it.
2018/08/06 15:16:59
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
zedmeister wrote: Nice. Shame it doesn't include "Cheaper Shipping". We're still stuck with the archaic 12.5% feth You fee on top
My thoughts exactly. When I saw the headline my first thought was they're switching to a shipping tariff that resembles an online only company operating in 2018.
What was I thinking?
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I'm really curious to see how prices change in my local currency when GW uses their own 'exchange rate' instead of the market exchange rate into GBP. I kinda liked timing my FW purchases based on currency fluctuations.
2018/08/06 16:18:02
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
Uh oh, I get the feeling that I will now have to deal with a big price hike on FW stuff now. Canada tax is pretty severe on regular GW products and I would hate to see that move over to FW as well. Maybe it will make them realize that $500 for free shipping is insane though, one can only hope...
I liked their prices being tied to GBP, I bought a bunch of stuff just after Brexit was announced because of how much value the pound lost
I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?
And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.
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2018/08/06 16:45:16
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
whalemusic360 wrote: This change worries me. Assuming they are going to use the prices they charge at places like Adepticon, it is a significant price jump from just using the pound and converting it.
It's kinda hard to imagine a scenario in which this doesn't mean price hikes for everyone ex-UK, unfortunately.
I was very happy at first thinking `Yes, finally they are getting rid of the silly stupid shipping cost system they have`.
Having read the mail the only thing I`m taking away from it is, there`s going to be a price hike and still no IDEAL payment option so aside from stuff going to cost more it`s the same old garbage system. I guess they meant with us having to suffer through exchange rates ` We hate for you to pay the actual fluctuating exchange rather than our imaginary exchange rate which will eff you over permanently rather than only sometimes depending on how stupid our government is being today`.
And that from someone in the EU, I really feel for the Aussies and Kiwi`s, they will be bearing the brunt of this nonsense.
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2018/08/06 19:36:05
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
Usd Fw is set at 1.6 to the gbp in all the pamphlets, so i expect that horrid figure to continue. Not cool, fw. Especially if they keep the baked in VAT and local sales tax nonsense as well.
2018/08/06 19:37:13
Subject: Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Orlock weapon set
Yodhrin wrote: Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.
I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.
There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.
While the above is certainly true for some sects of admech, would gangers who don't really give a damn about machine cult still follow that? Especially seeing they apparently already produce Orlock-exclusive gear? Why wouldn't they say "hey, let's copy bolter style magazines instead so we don't have to reload every shot like idiots in the middle of fire fight"? To make something like this? How hard can it be?
Then there is the fact at least one faction on Necromunda has access to an STC so in their case, every single gun design should be perfect, if not in complexity then in function. Wouldn't an STC contain at least some primitive gun designs made by an impossibly advanced AI to maximize every possible aspect while making it easy to make with low tech base? All it would take for the other gangs to notice "hey, these Saar goons have shootas way better than ones we use, can't you forge boys make us some of that, pronto?".
