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Well hopefully it really is "can" rather than "must"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hope this isn’t a way to increase the exchange rate, ala Citadel in Oz.

If FW doubles in price for us overnight... holy gak...

Kind of hard for me to complain about this one. On the one hand, yeah, it'll guarantee that I'll never buy anything from Forge World due to insane pricing, but on the other, I've never quite got around to buying anything from them before despite no circumstances ever holding me back beyond simple prioritization of other projects.

Seems to be the way it always the way it is, you always planned on finally making that purchase at a non-descript time that coincidentally occurs just after the announcement that it's no longer an option. Still, I don't suppose it's out of line to say that it stings to have that choice taken out of my hands.

First they LCTB some of their catalog, and I said nothing.

Then they LCTB their entire catalog at reasonable exchange rates.

I suspect this is gonna hurt my wallet.

I'm so glad I ordered every Orky item I was interested in last Friday.

Going forward, my WAAAGH will definitely be 3rd party based.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?

And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.

Agreed. Streamlining inventory before expanding is pretty standard and sensible.

 Irbis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.

I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.

There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.

While the above is certainly true for some sects of admech, would gangers who don't really give a damn about machine cult still follow that? Especially seeing they apparently already produce Orlock-exclusive gear? Why wouldn't they say "hey, let's copy bolter style magazines instead so we don't have to reload every shot like idiots in the middle of fire fight"? To make something like this? How hard can it be?

Then there is the fact at least one faction on Necromunda has access to an STC so in their case, every single gun design should be perfect, if not in complexity then in function. Wouldn't an STC contain at least some primitive gun designs made by an impossibly advanced AI to maximize every possible aspect while making it easy to make with low tech base? All it would take for the other gangs to notice "hey, these Saar goons have shootas way better than ones we use, can't you forge boys make us some of that, pronto?".

But that's a fundamental misunderstanding of the setting. People in 40K don't think like us. They're raised from birth inside rigid systems of control and faith and propaganda to see the universe in a certain way, and that way includes assumptions and absolutes that make the kind of behaviour you're talking about incredibly rare. The vast, vast, vast majority of humans(those who live in places that allow them to develop an understanding of technology as something more than magic) believe that machine have a soul, that the form of machines is the will of a God and to change them or even think of changing them is heresy. "That's not efficient" is not something that would occur to them, because that's akin to a very religious person raised in a draconian theocracy with little or no formal education outside what the church allows thinking "God got that design wrong and I can do better".

Now, obviously, when you go to the very tippy-top of the whole edifice of ignorance you get Techpriests and nobles and so on who allow familiarity to breed contempt(and tech-heresy), and when you step outside the hierarchy necessity and the few curious minds that can survive exposure to the Imperium(either enduring being raised in it, or living through its attempts to butcher anyone and everything it considered deviant) will lead to some invention, but stuff like the House Orlock gear isn't some mutie or heretek or outlaw nutter playing around in a shed, they're stamped out by the million in manufactories according to ancient designs that are seen as coming directly from the mind of God, manufactories overwhelmingly staffed by ignorant serfs and controlled by bonded managers who're barely any more informed, and where deviations from those designs could see you dragged away and servitorised. Now if that blueprint was, like a huge number of STC designs, either partially incomplete, or reconstructed from fragments of several sometimes only loosely related blueprints, it could be absolutely riddled errors compared to an "ideal" version spat out directly from an STC machine back in the Golden Age of Technology, and those errors are obvious to us even though most of us probably have a pretty basic understanding of firearms manufacture if any, but they would not be obvious to most denizens of Necromunda because most denizens of Necromunda(or any Imperial world) wouldn't even be capable of beginning that chain of thought, let alone finishing it.

It isn't a matter of design, it's a matter of dogma. To someone immersed in that reality, if the Van Saar have better gear than you, it's because the God-Emperor, He who is the Omnissiah, has favoured them more than He's favoured you. You don't fix that by deciding you know better than your god, you fight harder and work harder and pray harder, in the hope you also become blessed.

I've just looked and the Forgeworld GBP prices are still available in AU so I'm going to put an order in right now.

Although for anyone living in AU - you can order from Polish retailers and often end up paying less (including postage), than UK customers pay in-store.

I just bought Kurdoss Valentian for $47 AUD (the same price as UK at current exchange rates) - he usually costs us $77 AUD.

The Renegade knight game cost me less than the price of a single knight bought in AU. So I sold the terrain and the other knight , making my knight free.

Also I'm pretty sure most people don't know how guns work.

Sigh... guess I should weigh in.
Tech heresy aside (it is mentioned that smaller simpler stuff gets made however outside of the direct view of the AdMech), that shotgun looks like a futurized/modernized over-under. Load 2 shells in the loading/ejection port, rack your slide back fire fire, rack forward reload, repeat. Instead of a break action, just a back pull action instead of a push action.
OR... just trim off the bottom muzzle break and shazamo, it's a tube mag classic.

As far as the new US distro center and "convenient" international pricing, I am not displeased at quicker and possibly cheaper shipping. I am not however excited about the price being pegged to some unrealistic amount driving the costs ever upward.

Definitely mixed feelings about the announcement. I am glad to see that GW offering Forge World in local currency and shipping from within the US. On the other hand, its easy to see that they are insulating their Forge World sales against the low pound that is likely to endure for the foreseeable future. It basically allows them to fix North American pricing at a level favorable to GW while enticing additional sales with increased convenience while leveraging a simplified product catalog.

Of course I am exactly the customer who this is aimed at as I have forgone purchasing Forge World except second hand because of the whole currency coversion and shipping issues. With it now essentially a domestic sale, likely will be picking up some Forge World after US shipping goes live despite knowing that I am probably paying a 25 to 35% markup over current currency exchange rates.

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
Of course I am exactly the customer who this is aimed at as I have forgone purchasing Forge World except second hand because of the whole currency coversion and shipping issues. With it now essentially a domestic sale, likely will be picking up some Forge World after US shipping goes live despite knowing that I am probably paying a 25 to 35% markup over current currency exchange rates.

I do not understand this at all. You're happier paying a 25% or more markup instead of a 3% (at most) currency conversion fee? What "issues" are involved with making a transaction in GBP, or waiting a few days extra for your order to arrive?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?

And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.

You don't need to do that, the Forgeworld Catalog has listed the USD prices for years, you can just download the catalog and see the prices. Hint: they are much higher than the conversion rate.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Forge_World_Catalogue_Dec_2018.pdf

Just to give an idea of how much higher I looked at a 55 GBP Vindicator that was listed in the catalog at $91 USD. If you look at current exchange rates it would only be $71 (plus shipping would bring your total to $81). So even if they offer free shipping when they open the US warehouse you'll still be paying more.

I could understand using a (very) conservative exchange rate if they went ahead and removed the 20% of the price that goes towards VAT in the UK (and the EU?). Paying both is just silly.

Carlisimo wrote:
I could understand using a (very) conservative exchange rate if they went ahead and removed the 20% of the price that goes towards VAT in the UK (and the EU?). Paying both is just silly.

Yep - the pound was really low Monday night so I ordered a Cerastus for myself and my buddy. Compared to the USD catalog price we saved about 65 bucks on each knight.

How much is VAT?

Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?

Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...

 godswildcard wrote:
How much is VAT?

Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?

Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...

VAT is 20%

It sounds more like a satalite warehouse that will keep a limited stock that duplicates whats in the main UK warehouse, just shipped in bulk for cheaper and then locally dispatched as sold.
It reduces shipping times to US customers but will probably screw them over by tying you guys into GW exchange rates.

 godswildcard wrote:
How much is VAT?

Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?

Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...

VAT is 20% and it’s included in the price. So on 100£ it’s 16.67. We technically don’t pay VAT, GW just pockets the difference and says ‘no VAT included’ on US FW orders.

It’s not just forgeworld but all GW pricing that is converted to local currency on the UK RRP inclusive of vat. Doesn’t hurt when you have a 20% price hike and a 1.65 $ to £ exchange rate.

Reducing SKU before an expansion makes sense, less to stock in North America.

Today on Forge World...

Ork Cheerleaders

Chaos Cheerleaders

Human Cheerleaders

Some cheerleaders, all proceeds go to helping buy proper clothing.

Eldril Sidewinder

Elf dude with a mohawk and very expensive shoulder pad.

Human Team Booster

And something that I’m pretty sure someone in this thread wanted.

No unreleases that.I could see.

Do people play Bloodbowl?

I'm finding it hard to imagine these things are selling more than the now discontinued 40k/30k items, but maybe I'm just unaware of the massive bloodbowl community somewhere.

Bloodbowl dwarfs 30K by quite a significant margin. During the "sleeping" period of specialist games, there were tournaments and leagues being constantly run all over the world.

On a different note, I love the colour of the chaos cheerleaders skin. I wonder how they got that?

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Do people play Bloodbowl?

I'm finding it hard to imagine these things are selling more than the now discontinued 40k/30k items, but maybe I'm just unaware of the massive bloodbowl community somewhere.

There were thousands of people playing bloodbowl before the new version of the game came out. It is extremely popular in continental Europe.

Well hey, good for them, then. I hope everyones enjoying it.

Bloodbowl is more popular in continental Europe than american football and Rugby...

 Galas wrote:
Bloodbowl is more popular in continental Europe than american football and Rugby...

As an ardent rugby fan I call exagerration on this statement. Rugby is huge in France, Romania and Georgia. I'd be amazed if Blood Bowl was bigger than it in even Portugal (who have qualified for a World Cup in recent history), Italy (longstanding 6 Nations members) or your own homeland Spain (almost qualified for next year's World Cup).

chaos cheerleaders for necromunda!! (i know they are not for necromunda) and ork ones cos they are the boobies.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Bloodbowl is more popular in continental Europe than american football and Rugby...

As an ardent rugby fan I call exagerration on this statement. Rugby is huge in France, Romania and Georgia. I'd be amazed if Blood Bowl was bigger than it in even Portugal (who have qualified for a World Cup in recent history), Italy (longstanding 6 Nations members) or your own homeland Spain (almost qualified for next year's World Cup).

I was actually genuinely surprised that not only did they know it existed but they watched and played a fair bit of Rugby in the North East of Spain when I lived there. Granted it didn't have the following of Basketball or Handball but a lot of people seemed to play different variants (tag/sevens etc) and took a huge interest in the internationals with France and Argentina being cheered on, a lot!

Southern France is masive for rugby and the border areas (Basques and Catalans) are quite influenced by that is my impression.

The European Champions Cup final was just held in Bilbao and a couple of years ago 98,000 people watched the French Top14 final in Barcelona.

I can imagine the atmosphere for France/Argentina game (especially as the Argies always seem to give France trouble no matter the two sides' respective form). Near neighbours with whom they've warred often vs. linguistic brethren.

So, yeah, I think it's probably a more significant concern than Blood Bowl. The picture could be different in say the Netherlands or Norway.

This isn't the place for discussing rugby though.

Looks like they snuck in some last chance to buys under their blood bowl release.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Tartaros-Pattern-Terminator-Armour

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Cataphractii-Pattern-Terminators

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-Tartaros-Terminators

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MkIII-Iron-Armour-2016

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MkIV-Maximus-Armour-2016

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MKIV-Heavy-Support-Squad

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MKIII-Heavy-Support-Squad

So stuff you can get in plastic. No surprise. Wouldn't be surprised if sales for those kits last year was one digit