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 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Leviathan body in Oz is 33% more expensive than UK.

The £18 Necro Bounty Hunters are 66% more expensive in Oz.

Mastodon is AUD$720 before shipping, when yesterday it was AUD$550.

I think I'm going to write FW a letter...

You should. So should everyone else complaining (justly!) about it; I wouldn't be surprised if this was out of pure incompetence, so there's a chance that enough complaints, with examples like yours, will help.

I don't think it is. This is them returning prices to pre Brexit levels.

From GW's point of view the FW prices fell by about 15% generally for the rest of the world. A decreasing pound doesn't alter how much someone in the US is willing to pay for an item for example.

They control prices in foreign markets for core products so no matter how far the pound falls, a foreign market is constant. They've just changed FW to this model and put prices back to pre Brexit levels that they consider to be appropriate in other markets (essentially reversing currency based price lowering).

Obviously people are free to disagree that those prices are appropriate or not - FW is generally too rich for my blood too - but its obviously not a mistake.

Having everything displayed in dollars really makes me realize how overpriced FW is, $100 for 5 Sekhmet terminators, and that's just a conversion kit!

Fortunately I still have family in England so I can just order stuff through them if I need a big order though getting it shipped over to Canada will probably kill any money saved.

Like Vorian says though, these seem like pre Brexit prices to me anyway, I certainly took advantage of the crumbling British economy while I could but all good things have to come to an end!

Like many other UK commenters, I’m really happy about the £3.50 flat rate postage instead of the 12% charge. It means I will be much more likely to order from them now rather than saving up to get the free shipping.

rivers3162 wrote:
Like many other UK commenters, I’m really happy about the £3.50 flat rate postage instead of the 12% charge. It means I will be much more likely to order from them now rather than saving up to get the free shipping.

In Canada, the shipping cost for an Index went from £4.50 to $26 - so roughly quadruple for something to be shipping from the new US warehouse compared to shipping it from the UK.

On the plus side uk buyers are no longer subsidising shipping for row and free shipping.

It's kind of odd that the new shipping setup to make shipping cheaper for overseas is making shipping cheaper for UK customers only it seems!

It's €8,- shipping for the Netherlands now as opposed to the 15% it was then. YMMV, but this may be the only silver lining with the new pricing system.

SeanDrake wrote:
On the plus side uk buyers are no longer subsidising shipping for row and free shipping.

I’m pretty sure that was never true. ROW buyers paid the same price as UK buyers, which meant they were already paying a premium because of the built-in VAT of 20% that isn’t supposed to be charged to ex-EU customers. Being generous we might say that THAT was subsidizing ROW shipping.

Now the prices for overseas buyers are even higher because they use a UK price inclusive of VAT multiplied by a fictitious exchange rate to save us “faffing around” with all those difficult currency conversions. Thanks, Forge World, but no thanks. I’d rather have done the math myself and not gotten completely ripped off in the process.

IIRC, UK paid 12%, ROW 15% shipping.

As a slight aside, I’m sure that one of the necron constructs has gone up in price from £45 to £54 in the last few weeks! I’m sure that both were £45 but now the Tomb Sentinel is more than the Stalker.

Can anyone else confirm?

rivers3162 wrote:
As a slight aside, I’m sure that one of the necron constructs has gone up in price from £45 to £54 in the last few weeks! I’m sure that both were £45 but now the Tomb Sentinel is more than the Stalker.

Can anyone else confirm?

was always that way

This will honestly push more people to buy recasts or not at all.
Another fail by FW that is making all the wrong moves.

While it sucks for you guys overseas being given the GW exchange shafting. I would question if this is really a forgeworld only decision or does this hint towards GW managment finally having confidence and bringing forgeworld back into the fold instead of pushing them out.

If it is GW accepting Forgeworld and making them more mainstream I'm all for that.

Yea, this blows. Was looking at placing an order, but was waiting for Alpharius and the legion terminators to come back into stock. The old free shipping requirement wasn't a huge deal for me because I normally only placed an order twice a year.

On to small silver linings on this, doing some price comparisons of GW vs FW conversions. GW seems to be using around 1.67 USD/GBP. FW is using about 1.55 USD/GBP. It's like getting kicked in the junk and while keeled over, seeing a buck on the ground

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This will honestly push more people to buy recasts or not at all.
Another fail by FW that is making all the wrong moves.

Yeah, I'm a bit confused on what the strategy is here - so now customers are paying more for a smaller selection of stock that hasn't had any improvement in quality.

So what's the incentive?

 Commander Cain wrote:
Having everything displayed in dollars really makes me realize how overpriced FW is, $100 for 5 Sekhmet terminators, and that's just a conversion kit!

You don't understand. The prices for countries outside the UK have increased. Before, we'd pay the price in £'s and now we pay an adjusted price similar to what GW has been charging the US since the Brexit vote and Australia since forever.

Two days ago, Anacharis Scoria was listed at £80 which converts to US $103.27. Now it lists at $124.00 because... why? The Warlord Titan cost $1,670.00 last week and today costs $2,000.00. It's like they want people to buy from recasters.

Forge World was pricey before but they are not even a consideration now.

Pretty much, the only people who will know are those with brand loyalty.
Everyone else will buy off eBay or convert.

I'm so glad to see this change. Being able to buy in USD is amazing, who cares if I have to pay 10-20% more when I can avoid that 3% currency conversion fee? Truly the most customer-focused change ever in the history of business.


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Vorian wrote:
A decreasing pound doesn't alter how much someone in the US is willing to pay for an item for example.

No, but it does make us more willing to buy something if it's cheaper. A lot of people put in large FW orders when the exchange rate hit a favorable peak. But now people outside the UK get to pay a non-UK tax, buying the exact same item at a much higher price because FW apparently hopes that nobody realizes they're using an exchange rate purely from their own greedy imaginations.

This is a terrible anti consumer change, there is no reason for AUD to be 30-50% more expensive when the currency conversion does not match that hugely inflated rate.

Vorian wrote:
I don't think it is. This is them returning prices to pre Brexit levels.

From GW's point of view the FW prices fell by about 15% generally for the rest of the world. A decreasing pound doesn't alter how much someone in the US is willing to pay for an item for example.

They control prices in foreign markets for core products so no matter how far the pound falls, a foreign market is constant. They've just changed FW to this model and put prices back to pre Brexit levels that they consider to be appropriate in other markets (essentially reversing currency based price lowering).

Obviously people are free to disagree that those prices are appropriate or not - FW is generally too rich for my blood too - but its obviously not a mistake.

So you think it's reasonable that I pay 30%-60% more for the same product coming from the same factory?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I don't think it is. This is them returning prices to pre Brexit levels.

From GW's point of view the FW prices fell by about 15% generally for the rest of the world. A decreasing pound doesn't alter how much someone in the US is willing to pay for an item for example.

They control prices in foreign markets for core products so no matter how far the pound falls, a foreign market is constant. They've just changed FW to this model and put prices back to pre Brexit levels that they consider to be appropriate in other markets (essentially reversing currency based price lowering).

Obviously people are free to disagree that those prices are appropriate or not - FW is generally too rich for my blood too - but its obviously not a mistake.

So you think it's reasonable that I pay 30%-60% more for the same product coming from the same factory?

That's not what he said. He said that it wasn't a mistake, not that it was reasonable. His comment is about "GW's point of view" and what he believes their justification for this action is.

GW realized that there was some untapped revenue here - without realizing that FW sales are most likely about to take a massive hit - at least from a ROW perspective.

When/if this happens, I wonder if they'll really understand why though?

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I don't think it is. This is them returning prices to pre Brexit levels.

From GW's point of view the FW prices fell by about 15% generally for the rest of the world. A decreasing pound doesn't alter how much someone in the US is willing to pay for an item for example.

They control prices in foreign markets for core products so no matter how far the pound falls, a foreign market is constant. They've just changed FW to this model and put prices back to pre Brexit levels that they consider to be appropriate in other markets (essentially reversing currency based price lowering).

Obviously people are free to disagree that those prices are appropriate or not - FW is generally too rich for my blood too - but its obviously not a mistake.

So you think it's reasonable that I pay 30%-60% more for the same product coming from the same factory?

That's not what he said. His comment is about "GW's point of view" and what he believes their justification for this action is.

Basically a slightly less extreme version of the high end fashionable makes that would rather burn stock than allow it to be sold for less.
It's insanely wasteful and morality of it is way out there but as a private company they are within some legal limits allowed to do what they like. Charging a 200% mark up is unfortunately one of those thing's.

But hey the other option if the prices are super shonky look at Aus NZ prices it's possibly cheaper to have someone in the UK buy the model then ship it to you in aus than actually pay GW what are they smoking mark ups.

Lucky euro users. Fairly minimal change. For here if I bought 66e or less before or free shipping it hurts most(about 9%). If I bought for somewhat over 100e new system is pretty much +-0. Around 150e or more until free shipping new is actually cheaper.

Overall to my life fairly minor issue. Boss delaying decision when this years holidays are held cost me more than decade's worth of FW purchaces with this system costs me at most(would need to spend 6000€ or so to FW for this price hike to equal loss).

Poor australians though. Those people have it rough. First GW and now FW kicking them down there.

 Mysterio wrote:
GW realized that there was some untapped revenue here - without realizing that FW sales are most likely about to take a massive hit - at least from a ROW perspective.

Next year's financials will be worth checking to see if this actually happens.

 Breotan wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
GW realized that there was some untapped revenue here - without realizing that FW sales are most likely about to take a massive hit - at least from a ROW perspective.

Next year's financials will be worth checking to see if this actually happens.

Do they actually report profits by division and then UK vs ROW?

The other fun thing is that the 1.6ish usd per pound rate is based on UK prices with the vat baked in, while at the same time we are paying us sales tax as well. Barring something spectacular, my direct orders to fw are probably.over.

angryboy2k wrote:
Now the prices for overseas buyers are even higher because they use a UK price inclusive of VAT multiplied by a fictitious exchange rate to save us “faffing around” with all those difficult currency conversions.

I think that bit was a bonafide marketing misstep. *Much better* to say nothing than try to spin a price hike that way. I know I got a ridiculous mental image of an flummoxed infomercial actor banging on a keyboard in exaggerated despair. It's the kind of hamfisted message you associate with the last years of the Kirby era.

I think FW will do just fine with all these Specialist Games leading to FW sales. But I'm not surprised that some customers are unhappy with them.

I bet the recasters are happy though, when the price of legal kits just went up considerably.

 Peregrine wrote:
I bet the recasters are happy though, when the price of legal kits just went up considerably.

Probably, although I'm sure that axing basic products makes them even happier.

I'm not surprised that they brought FW pricing in line with GW proper. It's been a long time coming, and we know how GW has been historically with their pricing and margins. They like 'em big and fat, respectively. The spin is what really made me cringe. Pro tip -- don't do that.