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 Imateria wrote:
Is it meant to be a transport? I don't remember the Exlpodes rules reffering to embarked units before.

Nope. I was wondering if it was just a copy & paste error from the Aurox, but that doesn't have 8th rules. Termite perhaps?


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 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

It might be incomplete, or considered corrupt.

Same reason they abandoned other things like the old BFG chaos cruisers - perhaps they feared they were prone to corruption or are associated with heresy.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Isn't that like... very old lore? Mars is inmense and their libraries cover all of the planet. Most of them are undiscovered and forgotten, roamed by crazy machines from old ages, and regular expeditions are send there to try and find new STC, etc...

Has there been any news on when the retro Land Speeder is going to be available? Or was it an event only thing?

I'm thinking of converting one of these things into either Sammael or a Talon Master but I have not idea when or if it is ever going to be available.

That was available during a Warhammer World anniversary or something - I dont know if it's ever going to be a catalogue item.

PS: Regarding the Carnodon...it's an ugly little tank but the rules and weaponry are pretty fantastic. However, once again we run into the "why would I ever take twin-autocannons vs. a vulkite calverin" - answer: you wouldn't. Same cost and you lose 1 Strength but gain the ability to deal mortal wounds? Zero contest. None, nada, zilch. I really hate when GW does stuff like that. They really need to differentiate weapons more, or make sure the cost is more reflective of the ability. Strength 7 over Strength 6 is rarely if ever a benefit, and the loss in Strength is absolutely made up for with mortal wounds.

PSS: Actually, come to think of it that resin 3rd party Kickstarter for the "small" Macharius style tank would be a perfect stand-in for this, and much more attractive.

abyrn wrote:
Has there been any news on when the retro Land Speeder is going to be available? Or was it an event only thing?

From what I remember, the one pictured is a Warhammer World exclusive, and there's another coming with different crew & weapon options.

 Elbows wrote:
That was available during a Warhammer World anniversary or something - I dont know if it's ever going to be a catalogue item.

The Mk6 one is, there’s a Mk4 one coming with more weapon options that’s not limited. I thought it was out already but it appears not.

Of course FW puts out all the cool models like Kro9le and the Carnodon AFTER they do their stupid price hike.

 Elbows wrote:
That was available during a Warhammer World anniversary or something - I dont know if it's ever going to be a catalogue item.

PS: Regarding the Carnodon...it's an ugly little tank but the rules and weaponry are pretty fantastic. However, once again we run into the "why would I ever take twin-autocannons vs. a vulkite calverin" - answer: you wouldn't. Same cost and you lose 1 Strength but gain the ability to deal mortal wounds? Zero contest. None, nada, zilch. I really hate when GW does stuff like that. They really need to differentiate weapons more, or make sure the cost is more reflective of the ability. Strength 7 over Strength 6 is rarely if ever a benefit, and the loss in Strength is absolutely made up for with mortal wounds.

PSS: Actually, come to think of it that resin 3rd party Kickstarter for the "small" Macharius style tank would be a perfect stand-in for this, and much more attractive.

I think that Strength 7 is much better than strength 6 when it comes to light or medium vehicles or monsters. Most are toughness 6 or 7. Wounding on a 3 or 4 is better than wounding on a 4 or 5.

Versus these things the Autocannon is sometimes superior. if the target has 4+ armor or worse the Autocannon is actually better (by a slim margin). It also has a bit of a longer range than the Vulkite Calverin, and significantly more range than the Vulkite Charger.

Against things with a decent (4+ or better) invulnerable, toughness 1-5 or 8+, or a 2+ save, the Vulkite is better though.

I think the best combo is Vulkite Calverin turret with autocannon sponsons.

 Galas wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Isn't that like... very old lore? Mars is inmense and their libraries cover all of the planet. Most of them are undiscovered and forgotten, roamed by crazy machines from old ages, and regular expeditions are send there to try and find new STC, etc...

Yes, but they usually actually mount a big explorator mission and find something which is treated with great reverence that gets vetted for purity for eleventy-thousand years blah blah blah, rather than finding a functional, obviously useful STC like finding a pound coin down the back of a sofa cushion and just going "oh hai you giuse we shud totes be building this so do that".

Ya that huge premium price hike they did for everyone with their fake conversion rate is all BS.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Yeah, it's not like it was already once produced by millio-- oh wait, it was!

If you wanted to criticize fluff, though, there are better bits - like, you know, quadlas predator being advanced vehicle only produced in small quantities for Astartes, late discovery at that-- wait, lolnope, we produced better tank for IG grunts millenia before that! Or, you know, the fact Legiones Astartes had to abandon volkites as line arms due to their rarity-- wait, lolnope, we produced a tank for IG grunts mounting more of them than any SM vehicle did in literal heaps! Rare? Yeah, after IG hijacked 95% of them (see also 20 strong squads full of volkites)

I also like that quintuple multilaser variant, GOTO approved™. Really, it would make perfect addition to SM seeing they lack anti-infantry firepower (gatling on Redemptor and assbacks are nowhere near as efficient as this thing) but apparently SM as so dumb in-universe it never occurred to them they could use something similar, and Imperium instead shipped the Carnodons to their single subfaction that can't complain about massed firepower...

I mean I was specifically discussing the Carnadon tank's pricing.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Isn't that like... very old lore? Mars is inmense and their libraries cover all of the planet. Most of them are undiscovered and forgotten, roamed by crazy machines from old ages, and regular expeditions are send there to try and find new STC, etc...

Yes, but they usually actually mount a big explorator mission and find something which is treated with great reverence that gets vetted for purity for eleventy-thousand years blah blah blah, rather than finding a functional, obviously useful STC like finding a pound coin down the back of a sofa cushion and just going "oh hai you giuse we shud totes be building this so do that".

Its an aspect of the fluff that could probably be expanded upon but has been left intentionally vague and wide because of how its intended as a way of bringing "new toys"... Lost in a library, or lost on a former human controlled planet it makes no difference. The real point is to underscore that there is very little if no new Imperial technology.

Another aspect to it is that even when the mechanicus has a workable STC template it probably isn't just a case of being vetted for purity. You have to imagine there is a whole logistical and political problem, where for example constructing based on the template requires other STC's, subcomponents or lost technologies or materials or facilities, or the go ahead not immediately available to the Magos that poses the otherwise viable template.

While Cawl's development of Primaris and their equipment is hand wavey... and people wonder why he's sat on advanced designs and technology while the Imperium's crumbled. The revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman is mostly because people have fallen in line and the organization of manpower on a galactic level made it possible. Before this there were Martian shipyards that had been idle since the Heresy. How could that happen? With the state of the Imperium before this you have to imagine there are many Forge Worlds and Magos that could produce technology but simply don't have everything they need. And maybe it is all political, maybe rediscovered technologies are so slow to be produced because they require influence to get the go ahead and the Mago's with ability to give that blessing won't allow it because it dilutes their influence.

 Irbis wrote:
Or, you know, the fact Legiones Astartes had to abandon volkites as line arms due to their rarity

No, they switched as the supply lines for Bolters was easier to maintain & expand.

It is a bit weird that 40K version of this tank can keep its volkites whereas 40K version of the Leviathan Dreadnought can't...

I think the implication is that they are just producing the tank chassis again, not necessarily all the weapons. They're fitting volkite relics on newly-made tanks, which have "the power-rich infrastructure and fiery machine spirits needed to carry the little-understood volkite weaponry". That the same can't be applied to relic Leviathan and Contemptor Dreadnoughts, though, is just silly.

Looks like an early Predator Annihilator!

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Isn't that like... very old lore? Mars is inmense and their libraries cover all of the planet. Most of them are undiscovered and forgotten, roamed by crazy machines from old ages, and regular expeditions are send there to try and find new STC, etc...

Yes, but they usually actually mount a big explorator mission and find something which is treated with great reverence that gets vetted for purity for eleventy-thousand years blah blah blah, rather than finding a functional, obviously useful STC like finding a pound coin down the back of a sofa cushion and just going "oh hai you giuse we shud totes be building this so do that".

Its an aspect of the fluff that could probably be expanded upon but has been left intentionally vague and wide because of how its intended as a way of bringing "new toys"... Lost in a library, or lost on a former human controlled planet it makes no difference. The real point is to underscore that there is very little if no new Imperial technology.

Another aspect to it is that even when the mechanicus has a workable STC template it probably isn't just a case of being vetted for purity. You have to imagine there is a whole logistical and political problem, where for example constructing based on the template requires other STC's, subcomponents or lost technologies or materials or facilities, or the go ahead not immediately available to the Magos that poses the otherwise viable template.

While Cawl's development of Primaris and their equipment is hand wavey... and people wonder why he's sat on advanced designs and technology while the Imperium's crumbled. The revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman is mostly because people have fallen in line and the organization of manpower on a galactic level made it possible. Before this there were Martian shipyards that had been idle since the Heresy. How could that happen? With the state of the Imperium before this you have to imagine there are many Forge Worlds and Magos that could produce technology but simply don't have everything they need. And maybe it is all political, maybe rediscovered technologies are so slow to be produced because they require influence to get the go ahead and the Mago's with ability to give that blessing won't allow it because it dilutes their influence.

Meh, I suppose the issue is less the exact "how" and more the fact that we're dealing with "the revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman" - I don't want the Imperium revitalized, I want it to be a crumbling dystopian corpse of a society like it was when I first became enamoured with it. Revitalizing it entirely defeats the object.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Meh, I suppose the issue is less the exact "how" and more the fact that we're dealing with "the revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman" - I don't want the Imperium revitalized, I want it to be a crumbling dystopian corpse of a society like it was when I first became enamoured with it. Revitalizing it entirely defeats the object.

Whilst I agree, that ship has unfortunately sailed. And compared to primarchs returning some IG tanks is microscopic beans.

 Crimson wrote:


Whilst I agree, that ship has unfortunately sailed. And compared to primarchs returning some IG tanks is microscopic beans.

Aye sad but true that, we are heading into a new shiny era in 40k and while I may not like it and refuse to read it, GW stuff is selling like hot cakes once more so its not going to end anytime soon.

1. A brand new 30k era tank comes out on FW!

2. GW is trying to sell the model, so boom it gets 40k rules.

3. People complain about their ruined fluff.

4. plays as first world problems intensify.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

2. GW is trying to sell the model, so boom it gets 40k rules.

I've waited for years them to apply this logic to the Mechanicum stuff!

EDIT: Removed a ramble. Forgot I was in the News and Rumour section.

I've removed an OT tangent from this thread. If you have questions about what is/isn't OK to post on Dakka, please PM a moderator rather than arguing about it in News & Rumors!

We also have a Nuts & Bolts section for things like this. Below is a link to an explanation I just posted there:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/763915.page#10154569

Any more questions (seriously, anything!) please just PM me, and let's keep this thread clear for discussion of FW news & rumors. Thanks all!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

Spoiler:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That fluff blurb tho, eww: Apparently they're abandoning the whole idea of "lost" tech now, the Mechanicus just had the STC tucked away in a drawer for no reason at all and can start mass-producing ancient relic equipment whenever they want

Isn't that like... very old lore? Mars is inmense and their libraries cover all of the planet. Most of them are undiscovered and forgotten, roamed by crazy machines from old ages, and regular expeditions are send there to try and find new STC, etc...

Yes, but they usually actually mount a big explorator mission and find something which is treated with great reverence that gets vetted for purity for eleventy-thousand years blah blah blah, rather than finding a functional, obviously useful STC like finding a pound coin down the back of a sofa cushion and just going "oh hai you giuse we shud totes be building this so do that".

Its an aspect of the fluff that could probably be expanded upon but has been left intentionally vague and wide because of how its intended as a way of bringing "new toys"... Lost in a library, or lost on a former human controlled planet it makes no difference. The real point is to underscore that there is very little if no new Imperial technology.

Another aspect to it is that even when the mechanicus has a workable STC template it probably isn't just a case of being vetted for purity. You have to imagine there is a whole logistical and political problem, where for example constructing based on the template requires other STC's, subcomponents or lost technologies or materials or facilities, or the go ahead not immediately available to the Magos that poses the otherwise viable template.

While Cawl's development of Primaris and their equipment is hand wavey... and people wonder why he's sat on advanced designs and technology while the Imperium's crumbled. The revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman is mostly because people have fallen in line and the organization of manpower on a galactic level made it possible. Before this there were Martian shipyards that had been idle since the Heresy. How could that happen? With the state of the Imperium before this you have to imagine there are many Forge Worlds and Magos that could produce technology but simply don't have everything they need. And maybe it is all political, maybe rediscovered technologies are so slow to be produced because they require influence to get the go ahead and the Mago's with ability to give that blessing won't allow it because it dilutes their influence.

Meh, I suppose the issue is less the exact "how" and more the fact that we're dealing with "the revitalization of the Imperium in this Age of Guilliman" - I don't want the Imperium revitalized, I want it to be a crumbling dystopian corpse of a society like it was when I first became enamoured with it. Revitalizing it entirely defeats the object.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


1. A brand new 30k era tank comes out on FW!

2. GW is trying to sell the model, so boom it gets 40k rules.

3. People complain about their ruined fluff.

4. plays as first world problems intensify.

It's even more ironic when said people first complain about lack of 40k rules for FW rules. So let's see. FW doesn't release 40k rules right away and complains. Then model gets released with 40k rules and said persons complains about that

Damned if you do, damned if you don't(wonder what's japanese equilavent of that one...)

Coming Soon to Forge World

tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:


1. A brand new 30k era tank comes out on FW!

2. GW is trying to sell the model, so boom it gets 40k rules.

3. People complain about their ruined fluff.

4. plays as first world problems intensify.

It's even more ironic when said people first complain about lack of 40k rules for FW rules. So let's see. FW doesn't release 40k rules right away and complains. Then model gets released with 40k rules and said persons complains about that

Damned if you do, damned if you don't(wonder what's japanese equilavent of that one...)

Apparently its
あちらたてればこちらがたたぬ, or achirataterebakochiragatatanu which is an expression that means "its hard to please everybody"

Its what I dug up, anyway.

Did they forget to tell the painter that it was a Necron model he was painting not a T'au model?