Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours-BA Dawnbreakers Pg 163

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**StarFyre**

i like valdor as well. hehe

**MonkeyBallistic**

Well, I happen the think that Valdor is one of the best minis that Forgeworld have ever produced, but taste is subjective.

The key difference between the John Blanche concept sketch and the miniature is the pose. The thing I really hate about the miniature is the pose.

As has already been mentioned, the reason that the Canoness Veridyan miniature looks so weird is that it’s a direct copy of John’s very stylised artwork and doesn’t reinterpret it to fit the style of other GW minis. That’s a design choice, but I think it was the wrong one.

I’ve made the point before that half the time people criticise John Blanche’s “art”, they’re pointing at very rough concept sketches done in a few minutes, not finished pieces.

**JimmyWolf87**

Padre wrote:
That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.

I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.

When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...

Good Lord that is horrible.

I'd need to see the pose of the FW one in person to known if I liked it more as that's the main turnoff.

The Kabuki one... I don't need to see that in person. Ever.

**Iron Angel**

So I really don't like the hair..
But otherwise the mini looks ok to me.

If I ever decide to get him and use him as the Demon Prince version of my fallen Chapter Master, I surely would give him a helmet.

Maybe use a different base as well and have him fly instead of tapping on that rock spire.

The Kabuki one is just really bad imho.
Weird wings, chubby looking and a way too thick fugly fantasy sword.

**Yodhrin**

MonkeyBallistic wrote:

I’ve made the point before that half the time people criticise John Blanche’s “art”, they’re pointing at very rough concept sketches done in a few minutes, not finished pieces.

Another good point. Loads of people consider the 2nd and 3rd edition box art to be classics. The Battlefleet Gothic box art is another. The original Sisters Codex cover. People can like or dislike his particular style, but take it away and a lot of what 40K is goes away as well.

**JSG**

Irbis wrote:
Tombard wrote:
May i ask how he does not look like that artwork? All the elements ae there, the hair, the eyes, the pelt, the cats head, the halo...

Yeah, they tried to make one Blanche mini - Valdor. He looks like pile of excrement, like someone thrown random bits of mangled animals at him, not to mention ugly armor, comical weapon, and one of the worst heads GW had ever made. If anything, I love how nice and realistic the snow leopard skin on Sanguinius looks, along with pretty good armor, making Valdor look even worse in comparison. Really, after Valdor and Veridyan I just hope GW burns the rest of JB concept "art" or at least never looks at it again, both models were solid contenders for the worst of the decade...

Also, on second look, the "art" above is where BL illustrator found the drill hair, the one element of Sanguinius portrayal pretty much everyone hates with a passion, along with huge, goofy even for SM shoulder pads, plus demonic looking wings. Why I am not surprised 3 of the most despised and protested elements of every single new HH cover portraying the Angel were made by JB...?

I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.

**Nah Man Pichu**

Someone else said it first, but based on my experience with the Russ model I'm willing to give this guy a chance before I make final judgement. The initial pics of Russ were terrible, I thought he looked awkward and badly posed. Then we got better pictures and a full 360 rotate and he quickly became one of favourite primarch models (despite being an abominable Space Puppy). So lets wait and see here, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until photos from a different angle appear

**Rayvon**

JSG wrote:

I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.

Yep there have been hundreds of miniatures based on his art by now and several entire ranges, personally I am a big fan.

**MajorWesJanson**

Rayvon wrote:
JSG wrote:

I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.

Yep there have been hundreds of miniatures based on his art by now and several entire ranges, personally I am a big fan.

True, but 99% of those are further refined by people like Jes G.

I don't mind Verydian, but Valdor is a mess, very sad since I have a bunch of Custodes and really wanted to like him. Krole has a far better model.

**aka_mythos**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rayvon wrote:
JSG wrote:

I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.

Yep there have been hundreds of miniatures based on his art by now and several entire ranges, personally I am a big fan.

True, but 99% of those are further refined by people like Jes G.

Blanche is the head of their art department, so even when he doesn't personally produce the art his stylistic fingerprints end up on a lot more than just what he does. His style has defined the style of 40k and his sense of aesthetics has directed those working with him. Part of it is the prolific volume of concepts he's produced over the decades, where because his style has defined the aesthetic of 40k that volume of work ends up inescapably "40k" and where other artist might otherwise have to go through iterations to dial it and make it more 40k his work is able to more immediately stand on its own. Somewhere in the GW studio is a shelf with all his notebooks of concept art, its been said there are more than 50 of them all just full of his sketches. While he will sometimes do concept art for a model, often enough the designers go find inspiration or concepts they like from the decades of sketches he's done.

**gorgon**

Right. It's basically impossible to separate Blanche from the aesthetics of 40K.

**Galas**

The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.

Stormcast toos:

Spoiler:

And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan

Spoiler:

The new death guard

Spoiler:

Or Belisarius Cawl

Spoiler:

Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.

**aka_mythos**

Galas wrote:
The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.

Stormcast toos:

Spoiler:

And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan

Spoiler:

The new death guard

Spoiler:

Or Belisarius Cawl

Spoiler:

Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.

It only shows the volume of concept art he's produced over the years that you can link a bunch of art like this, and there is almost always something someone hasn't seen despite being a hobby veteran.

**H.B.M.C.**

Still doesn't mean we have to like his style.

**Ashiraya**

In my opinion, the concepts and designs are fine, but the style he draws them (even fully completed art pieces - I have HH visions so I have seen a fair few) just doesn't look good IMO.

**Galas**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still doesn't mean we have to like his style.

Nobody is forcing other people to like him. But many times, people mix disliking his style with underplaying how important he is for Warhammer.

**hobojebus**

Galas wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still doesn't mean we have to like his style.

Nobody is forcing other people to like him. But many times, people mix disliking his style with underplaying how important he is for Warhammer.

His "art" is terrible it actually ruined the demon codex for my friend he was really disappointed to see page after page of this mess in his book.

**ingtaer**

This is not the thread to discuss Blanche's work, there will naturally be some overlap but please try to keep this thread to Forgeworld news and rumours.

Thanks,
ingtaer.

**Hbbyaddict**

Sanguinius confirmed to come with a spear option. Also he looks much less awkward in the 360. Source is the Twitch chat

**Mymearan**

Galas wrote:
The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.

Stormcast toos:

Spoiler:

And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan

Spoiler:

The new death guard

Spoiler:

Or Belisarius Cawl

Spoiler:

Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.

Actually his Kharadron stuff is from 2013 but yeah it’s all him.

**spiralingcadaver**

He does just some terrible poses and often weak perspective, but his shading style is still something I really like, and he certainly has solid concepts, once they're rendered a little more clearly. I feel a lot of his work comes from a different era of fantasy illustration, some of which holds up well as stylized, and some of which ends up looking primitive.

**Mymearan**

360 video of Sanguinius. As expected the sculpt is actually amazing but the photo was pretty bad. Wow!

https://www.facebook.com/431463226883489/posts/2382115958484863/

**Tombard**

Hbbyaddict wrote:
Sanguinius confirmed to come with a spear option. Also he looks much less awkward in the 360. Source is the Twitch chat

I was wondering about the spear. It is a pity thoug if it is only an option, i would have loved him to wield both. Maybe i will magentize the weapon, then.

Is the 360 online somewhere? I would love an extended look

Edit: I just saw the video. What a dynamic miniature! Posy is way better in 360. I feel liek his left leg should be slightly more outwards to make it perfect, but damn. And question answered: he does not have a backpack. i always wondered where he puts that thing with his wings

**changemod**

Mymearan wrote:
360 video of Sanguinius. As expected the sculpt is actually amazing but the photo was pretty bad. Wow!

https://www.facebook.com/431463226883489/posts/2382115958484863/

That doesn’t really improve my opinion of it: The wings still don’t look great, especially where they join the body. On a related note, another power armoured Primarch with no backpack whatsoever, which always looks immediately wrong.

**JSG**

Having seen the 360 Sangy looks pretty amazing tbh.

3rd party hacks BTFO.

**Red_Five**

Hbbyaddict wrote:
Sanguinius confirmed to come with a spear option. Also he looks much less awkward in the 360. Source is the Twitch chat

Anyway to share the 360 view? I am not a subscriber to Warhammer TV.

**Azreal13**

changemod wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
360 video of Sanguinius. As expected the sculpt is actually amazing but the photo was pretty bad. Wow!

https://www.facebook.com/431463226883489/posts/2382115958484863/

That doesn’t really improve my opinion of it:

Me neither, I can just see the things I didn't like initially from different angles.

The wings still don’t look great, especially where they join the body.

Also, is it me or do they just look like the same wing but mirrored, like one was sculpted digitally then used twice?

**StarFyre**

ya that made it worse IMHO :(

**H.B.M.C.**

Gobbos'n'Trolls!

I adore that Doomdiver.

**Ratius**

Top notch stuff. What gubbins is the gobbo holding? Is it like a broadcaster type thing?