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Yodhrin wrote: Oho, there's something interesting - softcover black books? If those get a significant discount over the hardcovers that would be brilliant.
Especially for anyone looking to get into 30k. Even though HH seems to be sticking with the "bespoke" 7th edition, a lot of the rules content in the early books is outdated deadweight.
Looks like they're going for a bit of hand-hammered gold on the White Scars models.
Anyway, I'm very curious about something that was mentioned earlier, that there would be an updated Custodes list in the next book. That would be nice, given what a mess the current list is. Maybe the Misericordia will actually have a rule now?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Anyone that owns a dreadnought drop pod want to tell us what if anything is different?
Shadox wrote: Dem Scars! Really awesome line-up for them so far.
I'm not a fan of that Dreadnought jump pack tough, seems way to small.
From an aesthetic stand point I agree, but I think its worth considering that most jump packs are portrayed as jet engine or turbofans, but this is clearly a rocket motor. The power to weight advantage for a rocket motor can be orders of magnitude greater than a jet engine.
Just by the context of the setting... If we were to imagine a space marine scaled up to the size of a dreadnought we approach then go past Primarch size. The Primarchs with jump packs, those jump packs aren't that much bigger. I think Corax' looks like a larger version of the Mk2 or Mk3's jump pack. Its maybe double the size. Then you go past a Contemptor and you have Vulterax where its has two outboard turbofan engines and 4 (or 6) little thrusters along its underside and the two engine are presumably at-least enough to steer it. The Vulterax is easily double the volume of a Contemptor and it uses its arrangement of engines and thrusters for sustained flight. I think it'd be easy to say that if the Contemptor had a more conventional jump pack it'd only need to close to the size of the Vulterax's outboard engines.
At this point if you assume 30k rocket motor technology is as much more advanced as the jet engine technology, then you'd only need rocket motors 1/10 the size of the Vulterax's engines just with larger fuel tanks. The fuel consumption is practically as many times greater as that motor is smaller. However we see jump packs with two head sized spheres as what can only be fuel tanks, or exotic volatile fluid containers. Scaling up for size a conventionally jump packed contemptor would need two unobtanium canisters each the size of its head, but with rocket motors each fuel tank would end up (in scale) a 30mm sphere for a comparable amount of output.
I'm probably wrong, but if I were to speculate just from the picture... I don't think it's as much a jump pack as it is a way to drop it from orbit or a thunderhawk of some sort and have it descend safely. Where it ends up a deep striking Contemptor instead of Contemptor that's jumping and soaring around.
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blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
I think we can skip FW resin and prices for terrain. GW is doing quite well, and needs to keep it up.
Though, bringing back the vehiclke wrecks and adding new ones would be awesome. And maybe a wrecked Warhound titan realm of battle tile.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
They're not really optional by any means. You have to buy the base with the Primarch, you can't chose not buy, say Horus, without the giant chunk of resin.
At least the character models themselves look neat. Sanguinus is however suffering form a horrendously skewed line of action.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
They're not really optional by any means. You have to buy the base with the Primarch, you can't chose not buy, say Horus, without the giant chunk of resin.
At least the character models themselves look neat. Sanguinus is however suffering form a horrendously skewed line of action.
But Sanguinus you can do precisely that. Think he was refering to that. Dunno if there's other new releases where that is true. But Sanquinus you 100% can get him without scenic base.
Lord Damocles wrote:What's up with the random piece of toast stuck to his right knee?
Leaving bad paint job aside, it's hammered bronze, something done for both ornamental and practical (surface hammered metals are stronger) purposes. It's so common people even invented paints to replicate the look without paying someone to actually do it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_paint
Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Crazyterran wrote: Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
Seeing there's rules for both foot and jetbike version I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise. Maybe both come in one set(imagine price of that one)
I wanna get more pictures of those glaives the White Scars are using. You can say whatever you want about FW, but when it comes to infantry weapons they always knock it out of the park.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Crazyterran wrote: Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
Seeing there's rules for both foot and jetbike version I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise. Maybe both come in one set(imagine price of that one)
it could also be the first on made for magnetization in mind. Have a torso and head that stays the same with arms & walking legs for one pose then seated and holding handlebars for the other. would look pretty cool but might cost a pretty penny.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I wanna get more pictures of those glaives the White Scars are using. You can say whatever you want about FW, but when it comes to infantry weapons they always knock it out of the park.
by far the best infantry weapons. I love the power fist that you can see the marines actual small hand inside.
Racerguy180 wrote: it could also be the first on made for magnetization in mind. Have a torso and head that stays the same with arms & walking legs for one pose then seated and holding handlebars for the other. would look pretty cool but might cost a pretty penny.
Hehehehe I like your optimism! But don't think that is really going to have enough same parts in practice it would result in significant saving anyway(and GW being GW price would be same anyway).
Did Khan btw have cloak? That might be hard to make natural for both bike and walking version.
Did the Alpha Legion get new rules in it, as was rumored a while back?
There's not much beyond the stuff posted over the last page or so. And the "White Scars" fella bellow. Current rumour is that the Alpha Legion content has been cut.
aka_mythos wrote: Anyone that owns a dreadnought drop pod want to tell us what if anything is different?
Shadox wrote: Dem Scars! Really awesome line-up for them so far.
I'm not a fan of that Dreadnought jump pack tough, seems way to small.
From an aesthetic stand point I agree, but I think its worth considering that most jump packs are portrayed as jet engine or turbofans, but this is clearly a rocket motor. The power to weight advantage for a rocket motor can be orders of magnitude greater than a jet engine.
Just by the context of the setting... If we were to imagine a space marine scaled up to the size of a dreadnought we approach then go past Primarch size. The Primarchs with jump packs, those jump packs aren't that much bigger. I think Corax' looks like a larger version of the Mk2 or Mk3's jump pack. Its maybe double the size. Then you go past a Contemptor and you have Vulterax where its has two outboard turbofan engines and 4 (or 6) little thrusters along its underside and the two engine are presumably at-least enough to steer it. The Vulterax is easily double the volume of a Contemptor and it uses its arrangement of engines and thrusters for sustained flight. I think it'd be easy to say that if the Contemptor had a more conventional jump pack it'd only need to close to the size of the Vulterax's outboard engines.
At this point if you assume 30k rocket motor technology is as much more advanced as the jet engine technology, then you'd only need rocket motors 1/10 the size of the Vulterax's engines just with larger fuel tanks. The fuel consumption is practically as many times greater as that motor is smaller. However we see jump packs with two head sized spheres as what can only be fuel tanks, or exotic volatile fluid containers. Scaling up for size a conventionally jump packed contemptor would need two unobtanium canisters each the size of its head, but with rocket motors each fuel tank would end up (in scale) a 30mm sphere for a comparable amount of output.
I'm probably wrong, but if I were to speculate just from the picture... I don't think it's as much a jump pack as it is a way to drop it from orbit or a thunderhawk of some sort and have it descend safely. Where it ends up a deep striking Contemptor instead of Contemptor that's jumping and soaring around.
Apparently it can do one of three things in a game.
1) deploy via deepstrike
2) get 12" move as jump infantry for one turn
3) charge with 3d6 range.
So it seems it's a one time solid fuel booster pack.
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