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Paint job is pretty rough when viewed in 360 degree view.

the FW paint jobs are rough, period. I get that they're not trying to enter GD but at least learn to blend a layer. Just compare those FW images to the new primaris reiver librarian paint job. There's no comparison.

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Those Deathsworn, awesome sauce.

Aye, much better than the god awful Varagyr and the invert bolter Grey Slayers! Even the paint job is alright.

Yeah but still worse than it should be given the guys supposedly a professional painter.

Shame most of us have already converted several squads already.

I could definitely see myself using some of those bitz. The heads are kinda fancy and specific for my liking, but it could make for a good Chaplain equivalent stand-in.

That Space Wolf character is so hideous. Goodness gracious. How did this get past QA?

Back in the day FW releases where a "WOAH!" when normal GW was much lower but I'm sorry, at this point I think is clear GW has surpased FW in every aspect. I don't even know how they justify their premium price any more.

 Galas wrote:
Back in the day FW releases where a "WOAH!" when normal GW was much lower but I'm sorry, at this point I think is clear GW has surpased FW in every aspect. I don't even know how they justify their premium price any more.

as much as i dont want to agree i must agree, GW has surpassed forge world at the moment, give it a couple of years though and I think it may balance out.

 Galas wrote:
Back in the day FW releases where a "WOAH!" when normal GW was much lower but I'm sorry, at this point I think is clear GW has surpased FW in every aspect. I don't even know how they justify their premium price any more.

Plastic technology has finally caught up with metal and resin quality, which is why GW's models look so good.

Forge World does not sell enough kits to justify going plastic (plastic molds costs 100k to create, which means you need to sell a huge volume to make a profit). Resin and Metal molds cost a lot less to make but require new molds to be created after a couple dozen or so uses.

Forge World is a premium product for a niche market. Could they sell more models if they charged less for them? Yes. But best business practicies will usually encourage those who create premium products for niche markets to sell high. After all, it is better to sell a product to one person for 2 dollars than it is to sell two products to two people for one dollar a piece (at least in a niche market).

Even if you compare FW products to similarly sized metal and resin models from other companies, FW is not THAT much more expensive. The real killer (and this is true of all Games Workshop games) is that they charge a pretty penny for models and then require you to buy tons and tons of models, so it is a double whammy - high costs for a high model count game.

Shocking, shocking paint jobs. Real shame, as those minis are ace.

I do love how GW expects me to pay over AUD$100 for that Terminator. Jesus...

 Ratius wrote:
Those Deathsworn, awesome sauce.

Er, I think they had a good concept but those look terrible.

Spacewolf Squats doing the pee pee dance.

I don't think gw plastic are at the standard of the detail of forgeworld resin yet. There's no way they could render sanguinius, or any of the primarchs really in plastic to such a high level. But plastic has definitely come along. The poses they can create are so much more realistic.

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 Galas wrote:
Back in the day FW releases where a "WOAH!" when normal GW was much lower but I'm sorry, at this point I think is clear GW has surpased FW in every aspect. I don't even know how they justify their premium price any more.

Honestly, until a couple of years ago I was badly tempted by Horus Heresy. I’d look at Forgeworld releases thinking their minis are better than GW’s, their art is better, their books are more of a joy to read. Since 8th Edition my opinion has totally reversed. GW have upped their game on all fronts, whereas FW just aren’t that good anymore.

I’m starting to think Horus Heresy needs a complete reboot, at least for me to be interested in it again. In the meantime, the only thing I got excited about from the Weekender was the Necromunda news.


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Yeah if the Heresy marines were primaris proportions they'd be much cooler. Fortunately I only paint the Heresy characters, and they're still a much higher standard than GW characters.

queen_annes_revenge wrote:I don't think gw plastic are at the standard of the detail of forgeworld resin yet. There's no way they could render sanguinius, or any of the primarchs really in plastic to such a high level. But plastic has definitely come along. The poses they can create are so much more realistic.

No way? New plastic Lord of Change pretty much matches or exceeds primarchs in all possible detail, on top of being much better proportioned (just compare his wings to Sanguinius, much thinner and actually wing-like). And that is what, 5 year old design now? Even plastic marines are way more detailed now, say actual vents on their backpacks vs square peg-like protrusions without details on most resin marines (this is really irritating as some of the more recent HH character minis don't even have detail plastic troops had a decade ago or more...).

Gimgamgoo wrote:Wow. If Mantic had released this, they'd have been slated (by half the people saying these are ok).

Would they? I have seen a lot of people here praise certain three bit "designers" to seriously doubt that. If third party stuff that garbage, ugly, and ill-fitting on 40K models finds purchasers and promoters (despite ruining look of anything it's glued to) then FW would need a lot harder than even upside-down bolters to actually change anything...

And to be perfectly fair, Deathsworn helmets are the best SW helmets anyone had ever done. Nothing GW made really compares, except maybe for that one old upgrade bit. Finally a helmet that looks like someone artistically skilled made metal overlay on top to skillfully mimic wolf skull, instead of just gluing random bones on top and calling it a day.

Yeah, the capes on the resin shield captain and valdor are big thick chunks of material, whilst if you check out a plastic shield captain or valoris, they’re wearing something that looks like an actual cape.

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 Galas wrote:
Back in the day FW releases where a "WOAH!" when normal GW was much lower but I'm sorry, at this point I think is clear GW has surpased FW in every aspect. I don't even know how they justify their premium price any more.

Honestly, until a couple of years ago I was badly tempted by Horus Heresy. I’d look at Forgeworld releases thinking their minis are better than GW’s, their art is better, their books are more of a joy to read. Since 8th Edition my opinion has totally reversed. GW have upped their game on all fronts, whereas FW just aren’t that good anymore.

I’m starting to think Horus Heresy needs a complete reboot, at least for me to be interested in it again. In the meantime, the only thing I got excited about from the Weekender was the Necromunda news.


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Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Oh I'd say the wolves have got nothing but the short end of the stick.

Our preator is terrible, our terminators are garbage, our weapon upgrades have upside down bolters for fekkes sake.

Russ, wolfkin and the contemptor have been the only decent stuff we got up to this point.

Custodes and sons both got way more love.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Oh I'd say the wolves have got nothing but the short end of the stick.

Our preator is terrible, our terminators are garbage, our weapon upgrades have upside down bolters for fekkes sake.

Russ, wolfkin and the contemptor have been the only decent stuff we got up to this point.

Custodes and sons both got way more love.

Wolves are mangey critters any year they exist, even when there is only war....and bad paint jobs.

I don't think this is a recent development; HH stuff has been hit and miss for a time now.

Most generic units are very well done; but a good part of the chapter specific ones are subpar. It started with WE Rampagers years ago. My personal low point was the Ultramarine line. A lot of potential for romanesque designs but FW didn't deliver.

That said, I like the Deadsworn but the Terminator is quite terrible.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

I think when people say “FW” they mean the Forge World resin releases, not the Specialist Games plastic stuff which is consistently excellent.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Primaris marines don't USE MKIII armour so makes no sense for them to have it. Why would forge worlds produce upscaled MKIII armour? As it is new suits of MKIII armours aren't built in 40k age anyway let alone upscaled one. And in 30k times primaris marines don't exist so no point in having upscaled armour marines couldn't use.

IIRC there are still new suits of older marks being manufactured. Mostly mark 6 and mark 3 (due to its specialised design), and anything older than mark 6 is in comparatively small numbers, but they're there.

Not in Primaris size, though. That's what Mk 10 Gravis armour is.

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Primaris marines don't USE MKIII armour so makes no sense for them to have it. Why would forge worlds produce upscaled MKIII armour? As it is new suits of MKIII armours aren't built in 40k age anyway let alone upscaled one. And in 30k times primaris marines don't exist so no point in having upscaled armour marines couldn't use.

Chapters have large stocks of power armour, and such old Marks are honoured relics. As more and more Marines are replaced by Primaris brethren over time due to casualties, at some point they will end up with a huge surplus of older power armour. I would be very surprised if there wasn't a large number of Chapters trying to modify old power armour to fit larger Marines, especially those Chapters with poor resupply or poor connections with Mars.

Remember that many Chapters produce the bulk of their own power armour. The Red Scorpions, for example, use lots of domestically produced MkIV suits, because their Chapter forge has the means to produce it.

In light of this obvious fluff justification, and because many of the early Marks are popular designs, I can see there being a release of Primaris-modified versions of older Mks. Most likely in a kit like the current Tactical squad, with a variety of older Mks mixed into one squad. Could even be part of a Intercessor Veterans unit- the Veterans being granted honoured relics painstakingly remodelled to fit their forms, and meshed with the modern gear.

 Haighus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Primaris marines don't USE MKIII armour so makes no sense for them to have it. Why would forge worlds produce upscaled MKIII armour? As it is new suits of MKIII armours aren't built in 40k age anyway let alone upscaled one. And in 30k times primaris marines don't exist so no point in having upscaled armour marines couldn't use.

Chapters have large stocks of power armour, and such old Marks are honoured relics. As more and more Marines are replaced by Primaris brethren over time due to casualties, at some point they will end up with a huge surplus of older power armour. I would be very surprised if there wasn't a large number of Chapters trying to modify old power armour to fit larger Marines, especially those Chapters with poor resupply or poor connections with Mars.

Remember that many Chapters produce the bulk of their own power armour. The Red Scorpions, for example, use lots of domestically produced MkIV suits, because their Chapter forge has the means to produce it.

In light of this obvious fluff justification, and because many of the early Marks are popular designs, I can see there being a release of Primaris-modified versions of older Mks. Most likely in a kit like the current Tactical squad, with a variety of older Mks mixed into one squad. Could even be part of a Intercessor Veterans unit- the Veterans being granted honoured relics painstakingly remodelled to fit their forms, and meshed with the modern gear.

Now I have the image of Primaris marines in 1970s too short tennis shorts . The armor just wouldnt fit the framework of the Primaris marines. Why would they want to wear the old tech anyway with Cawl making things better with the new armor? Nostalgia? Basically I think they will just put the armor in the hall of antiques and hoarde them like my grandparents hoarded old National Geographic’s magazines and Tupperware. Sure the Tupperware was the pinnacle of food storage at the time, but nicer looking more effective and non toxic versions are better now.

 Theophony wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:


Honestly the only consistently poor FW stuff is the paint jobs and the space wolf range.

I really wouldn’t go so far as the say FW is “poor”. It’s more that they’re not really any better than GW but charge higher prices. I do really like their Necromunda releases.

On the other hand, if FW ever decided to produce MkIII armour in Primaris scale, I’d be all over it.

Primaris marines don't USE MKIII armour so makes no sense for them to have it. Why would forge worlds produce upscaled MKIII armour? As it is new suits of MKIII armours aren't built in 40k age anyway let alone upscaled one. And in 30k times primaris marines don't exist so no point in having upscaled armour marines couldn't use.

Chapters have large stocks of power armour, and such old Marks are honoured relics. As more and more Marines are replaced by Primaris brethren over time due to casualties, at some point they will end up with a huge surplus of older power armour. I would be very surprised if there wasn't a large number of Chapters trying to modify old power armour to fit larger Marines, especially those Chapters with poor resupply or poor connections with Mars.

Remember that many Chapters produce the bulk of their own power armour. The Red Scorpions, for example, use lots of domestically produced MkIV suits, because their Chapter forge has the means to produce it.

In light of this obvious fluff justification, and because many of the early Marks are popular designs, I can see there being a release of Primaris-modified versions of older Mks. Most likely in a kit like the current Tactical squad, with a variety of older Mks mixed into one squad. Could even be part of a Intercessor Veterans unit- the Veterans being granted honoured relics painstakingly remodelled to fit their forms, and meshed with the modern gear.

Now I have the image of Primaris marines in 1970s too short tennis shorts . The armor just wouldnt fit the framework of the Primaris marines. Why would they want to wear the old tech anyway with Cawl making things better with the new armor? Nostalgia? Basically I think they will just put the armor in the hall of antiques and hoarde them like my grandparents hoarded old National Geographic’s magazines and Tupperware. Sure the Tupperware was the pinnacle of food storage at the time, but nicer looking more effective and non toxic versions are better now.

Limited resources (although nostalgia/tradition/honour is likkely to feature a bit). Not all Chapters are as well connected as the First Foundings, many are downright scavengers due to supply issues. Once Chapters gain indigenous Primaris production, they will need to be able to equip them, and this may require heavy modification of existing power armour. Of course it won't fit by default, but Techmarines have already modified armour to fit unusually tall Marines.

We know Techmarines are very resourceful with reusing existing components and splicing multiple Mks together.

New FAQ for HH up. Magnus took quite a nerfbat. Not sure what other big differences are.

tneva82 wrote:
New FAQ for HH up. Magnus took quite a nerfbat. Not sure what other big differences are.

Can't find the PDF link despite the new story - do you have a link to it?

 zedmeister wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New FAQ for HH up. Magnus took quite a nerfbat. Not sure what other big differences are.

Can't find the PDF link despite the new story - do you have a link to it?

Change the sort order. That worked for me(seems to be common issue with GW FAQ's) but in any case:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Horus-Heresy-General-Errata-and-FAQ-v1.1.pdf

Noticed playtest rules which include quad gun phosphex going from heavy 4 blasts to heavy 1 5" blast. Approve!