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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's not the height, as such - it's wondering why Leman Russ is carrying that one bit of rubble around an otherwise empty battlefield with him.

The ever-increasing size of Primarchs makes things like the Talon of Horus, Wolf Helm of Russ and the Lion Helm (and other Relics that are bits of Primarchs' armour or weapons) increasingly ridiculous.

Why make a scenic base for anything then?

I don't.

Display models look good on them, though.

Bomb rats...

Good, good - just waiting in the Delaque heads and weapon sets now, then I can place a big Necromunda order. ^_^

I can't help but feel these are going to be pulling a lot of double duty in Skaven forces. I want them, but not quite yet.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I can't help but feel these are going to be pulling a lot of double duty in Skaven forces. I want them, but not quite yet.

At $19 for 5 coupled with the fact that pretty much every bigger Skaven kit comes with like 5+ extra rats on the sprues, I doubt it.

Want. Titan. Pew. Pew.

Not Ratses. Oh don't gives us Ratses. Because Ratses taste of Rat.

I won't object if moulder get some bomb rats!
I will object if they don't get rules for them though :(

Kind of a boring update to be fair from them.
Just 5 tiny models.


Edit: looking at the grenade and the canister I don't think AoS will get them :(

Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Jackal90 wrote:
I won't object if moulder get some bomb rats!
I will object if they don't get rules for them though :(

Kind of a boring update to be fair from them.
Just 5 tiny models.


Edit: looking at the grenade and the canister I don't think AoS will get them :(

AoS won't get rules for them (unless someone there really loves skaven) but developing grenades is well within the realms of Skaven - heck they've already got most of the basic tech to establish them. They'd just do something like give it a warpstone trigger. In fact making a grenade and then teaching a little rat to run along and pill the pin itself is a VERY skaven way of approaching the idea of a grenade. Why throw them when rats can carry them far further and more reliably than a dumb clanrat trying to throw and not hit itself in the face! See see skaven are smarter than humans who would be all for standing up and getting killed to throw a grenade!

You could pay £19 for them if you want, but I don't know where the extra £7 is going.

"better" is subjective - I prefer these to the 3rd-party ones I've seen, which look more like hamsters to me. If I played Cawdor and had a Skaven army, I'd not bother with these. If I had a Cawdor gang and no Skaven, I'd pick these up.

 Overread wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I won't object if moulder get some bomb rats!
I will object if they don't get rules for them though :(

Kind of a boring update to be fair from them.
Just 5 tiny models.


Edit: looking at the grenade and the canister I don't think AoS will get them :(

AoS won't get rules for them (unless someone there really loves skaven) but developing grenades is well within the realms of Skaven - heck they've already got most of the basic tech to establish them. They'd just do something like give it a warpstone trigger. In fact making a grenade and then teaching a little rat to run along and pill the pin itself is a VERY skaven way of approaching the idea of a grenade. Why throw them when rats can carry them far further and more reliably than a dumb clanrat trying to throw and not hit itself in the face! See see skaven are smarter than humans who would be all for standing up and getting killed to throw a grenade!

Oh they have the tech, but image wise these IEDs are far too clean looking for skaven (I didn't word it very well to begin with)

Hell, skaven have a small orb capable of sucking people into a damn vortex lol.
It's just that skaven have a very typical look about their tech.
It's always cobbled together with wiring everywhere.
This is just too clean and manufactured looking.



My main issue is that I now want bomb rats for my moulder army XD

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.

How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.

Jackal - ahh yes that makes sense from a manufacture point of view. Then again Skaven can do both ends, poison globes are very neatly made and warplock jezzails are also very neatly made. Brass Bells are also very neatly cast as well.

I think Skaven botch it together at one end, but also are capable of very perfect construction where its important and counts. That said you could easily make the grenades look a little more wild with a tiny bit of greenstuff

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.

How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.

Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)

Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.

Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.

How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.

Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)

Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.

It is very subjective and case specific.
I have a somewhat large collection of FW models and I've sold alot of what I've previously had.
The quality has been fine on 99% of it.
I've had 1 model I sent back because of quality and it looked as if the mould was on its last legs.
Only other issues I've had were a few cases of missing parts, which took a phone call to fix.




Overread- that's a pretty good point actually.
I mainly agree on the jezzails, but I feel those are simply down to sculpting as opposed to build.
If we ever get a plastic kit I'd think they had variation in them.
The globe's are simple to make in comparison as it's a single piece just filled with gas.
Converting wise though I completely agree, it really wouldn't take much work.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?

It seems like he's talking nonsense. Their resin is never of a particularly high quality but it's never failcast bad either, the problems with fit and warping vary depending on the age of the mould but thats obviously a result of their production methods and not the resin.

I think whats more noticable is that they are seriously lacking in quality sculpters, most of what they're churning out just isnt impressing people, I think Alpharius was the last model I saw that most people were impressed with.

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.

How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.

Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)

Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.

Dunno. All my Sons of Horus and Blood Angels, epic models when they sold them etc have been problem free.

I'm putting that claim on same level as all the "finecast is always crap" level. While I don't have much finecast models but let's see what I have been buying recently(within year).

ork weirdboy
witch king
aragorn
black guard of barad dur
badruk

Only issue out of those I managed to snap one sword from one black guard but was that me or material is hard to tell.

 Imateria wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is it that bad? I've bought a lot of FW over the years and never experienced anything other than some slight warping of thin parts. So is it 50/50 or just exaggeration?

It seems like he's talking nonsense. Their resin is never of a particularly high quality but it's never failcast bad either, the problems with fit and warping vary depending on the age of the mould but thats obviously a result of their production methods and not the resin.

I think whats more noticable is that they are seriously lacking in quality sculpters, most of what they're churning out just isnt impressing people, I think Alpharius was the last model I saw that most people were impressed with.

Say that to my decimator, especially to the shoulder pads.

No, FW has inconsitencies, and whilest 50/50 might be an overstatement, that does indeed not change the fact that stuff like the SM flyers exists or that their resin isn't of good quality half the time.



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tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also why pay 19 £ when there are better ones out there allready?

Well for starters it's 12£. Pay extra 7£ just for fun if you want but I pay RPP.

How many varieties you have from others? Aand subjective is subjective term anyway. Anvil industry for example has 4 but a) I might want more than 4 rats anyway b) in subjective(like terms better are) terms while both are nice these have bit extra 40k feel for them.

Better in this case is Not subjective because the Resin FW uses is just unaceptable half the time. (the other half they have great resin and ou basically play roulette with your money on a clour)

Anvil does have overall the better productg quality in terms of material. That said, indeed you would need some small working for the Anvil rats to 40kify them, unlike with the FW ones.

Dunno. All my Sons of Horus and Blood Angels, epic models when they sold them etc have been problem free.

Lucky you then.

Or you ran into reverse lottery jackpot

tneva82 wrote:
Or you ran into reverse lottery jackpot

3 Hour wasted on pads to bring them back to form certainly felt like it

Overall though their customer service is great though so there is that, which others don't have.

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Or you ran into reverse lottery jackpot

3 Hour wasted on pads to bring them back to form certainly felt like it

Overall though their customer service is great though so there is that, which others don't have.

My best so far Was a deredo I ordered arrived missing it's feet.
One call and they said they would send a replacement for them.
I get a whole deredo turn up.

So, an order of weapons and a GS mould later and I have 2 deredos lol.



In regards to FW flyers, the thunderhawk was fine.
It's the raptor that was a pain in the ass due to warped parts.
That's nothing to do with the resin though, that's down to the model being taken out too early.
So that's not an error with the resin.
Any resin will warp if not allowed to fully set in a mould.

Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.

Agreed its only vehicles I have had problems with, the tracks on the sicarians I got were a pain and I have seen quite a lot of warping on the larger tanks as well.

I got a deimos rhino and the side steps were rippled. was a bitch to get right but not that bad.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Forge world vehicles seem to be the worst affected by their problems. Resin doesn't seem to be as suitable for armour. Never had any major problems with the figures.

Sicaran, 2 vindicators with laser destroyer, 2 deimos rhinos, deimos predator, mkiib land raider without any issues except poor instructions. That's albeit one section FW could improve on. Takes bit more oomphing and aamphing before I'm confident I know how the pieces are supposed to fit.

Could FW think of nothing else to release along side these?
Like.....idk........crimson paladins, the new drop pods.......nope.....just rats? Ok

There's a bunch of Necro stuff that seems long missing. Like all'a the pets, the Brutes, the weapons for the "Delaques", heads for them as well.

I like the rats, but it just seems so thin.

I just want my admech 30k rules for 40k.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I just want my admech 30k rules for 40k.

Even start posting them a few at a time, like Custodes.
I also want more titan guns to come out. Last few weeks have been a joke in release terms. Maybe to not compete with Shadowspear?