Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours-BA Dawnbreakers Pg 163

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**Alpharius**

Alpharius - so far, so good!

**TigerMafia**

Glad that Alpharius is getting a helmet, unlike the other Primarchs. I like the teaser so far. Not a huge fan of the Lernaean Terminator quite yet, but maybe it'll grow on me.

**Alpharius**

I'm also not a fan of the Lernaeans.

I don't think they'll go on me either.

Hopefully their weapons will be available separately.

**Uriels_Flame**

Come on big DA reveals... Let’s see if the Lion makes his return to 40k!

**H.B.M.C.**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
Let’s see if the Lion makes his return to 40k!

This is a HH event. They're not going to show anything for 40K.

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uriels_Flame wrote:
Let’s see if the Lion makes his return to 40k!
This is a HH event. They're not going to show anything for 40K.

If they were holding back on Cyraxus for the Tau book, hopefully they will have time to put in the rules for the Mole, Termite, and new Acastus Knight for 40K.

**Tamereth**

cuda1179 wrote:
I know I'm going to sound like a cheapskate, but I'm thinking that scratch building a decent looking termite will be pretty easy. Start with a piece of PVC pipe, a little plasticard, some left over Tank treads, and you are good.

Mantic sell a tunneller for £25 to save you the effort. I have one myself and it's a nice kit. not as detailed but nice.

I love the retro speeder, will be pickng up a couple. Now we just need an updated version of the old metal ones.

**nerdfest09**

Not that my opinion is really going to be more than a drop in the ocean about some of the newer models we've been shown but I am happy and frustrated in equal measure.

Dorn, yes he's stalwart and implacable but seeing his model I really wanted to see him with only a slight change to the pose, still standing staring into the warzone but with the point of the chainsword just in front of his toes and both hands on the hilt as if he's just preparing the swing it up in a sweeping arc.

that's the frustrated bit for me, and the happy part is Alpharius! wow even from that pic I can see some amazing detail and style, I will paint him up with a lot of love but I certainly am looking forward to some of the top commission painters really smashing some jaw dropping brushwork on him! and the Alpha Legion Termies are kind of nearly shoving me into a HH army just for them.

**Carlovonsexron**

Right!?

I love thise alpha legion termie helmets, and I'm not a huge fan on most terminator designs.

**chaos45**

So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?

I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.

**alphaecho**

Tamereth wrote:
cuda1179 wrote:
I know I'm going to sound like a cheapskate, but I'm thinking that scratch building a decent looking termite will be pretty easy. Start with a piece of PVC pipe, a little plasticard, some left over Tank treads, and you are good.

Mantic sell a tunneller for £25 to save you the effort. I have one myself and it's a nice kit. not as detailed but nice.

I love the retro speeder, will be pickng up a couple. Now we just need an updated version of the old metal ones.

These are my Mantic Tunnelers painted up as transports for an alternative IG armoured platoon.

They are good, solid, basic kits (not too many parts) and, as they can be modelled with drill bits opened up, you can add all manner of weapons to the inside.

It is something that has been mentioned in other threads but add drill bits and tracks to a sideways GW Ferratonic Incinerator or whatever and you could end up with a decent Termite conversion.

**djones520**

chaos45 wrote:
So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?

I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.

Ummm... no dude, you're very much in the minority on that one. Despite the BlackBlowFly ranting to the contrary, 30K is very much alive and well.

**Fireball**

The AL termies may not be everyones cup of tea, but at least they have the quality I expect from FW compared to the SW termies

**Caederes**

30K is alive and well but there are certainly more than a few people holding out for 8th Edition rules, or an overhaul in general. To say the game is dead overall is flat hyperbole, but in my personal experience at least our local 30K scene died the moment 8th Edition came out; it's to the point that no-one around here works on their 30K armies anymore. I personally gave up on mine but I still want to get some of the miniatures as both a collector and someone that can make said units look like they belong on a 40K battlefield with the appropriate rules counts-as. I'd be much happier if they updated to 8th Edition but I understand that it's not an easy proposition for them at all, and 7th does fit the Heresy well in a lot of ways.

I really like Dorn and am very happy that Forge World are doing the right thing and releasing the Primarchs that have had rules for so long before doing the as-yet "unseen" ones.

**Ugly Green Trog**

Is anyone else feeling WTF!!?? About BA getting a unique destroyer unit? I mean it seems like there are a bundle of more obvious and better options than destroyers.

**ImAGeek**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Is anyone else feeling WTF!!?? About BA getting a unique destroyer unit? I mean it seems like there are a bundle of more obvious and better options than destroyers.

Sanguinary Guard and..?

I like that they don’t always go for the most obvious options.

**Ugly Green Trog**

Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.

**ImAGeek**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.

They mentioned the fluff in the seminar, this is from m_r_parker on Bolter and Chainsword:

The Destroyer Host and Host of Sacrifice are aspects of the BA Legion. Destroyers are seen as a terrible duty and function that the Legion need to perform, so rather than dedicated units it’s a rotating assignment that all BA legionnaires undertake for a small time. Upon taking the role of a destroyer the BA adopt a death mask...

**H.B.M.C.**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.

30K was a long time ago. Things change.

**Astmeister**

Also the BA are from Baal. One of the most radioactive planets.

**Splog**

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.

An elite combined arms (including space warships) military force numbering in the range of 100,000 strong, supported by an immense industrial and technology base can develop pretty much whatever they want to.

**SeanDrake**

FrothingMuppet wrote:
Opinions vary, but for whats its worth, in my opinion Valdor is a mess and they missed a trick by not making it so you had the option not to build him with the ugly cyber bird, quasi daemon and random animal arm hanging off him. From the parts breakdowns those bits are designed/integrated with others so absent them you get ugly carve outs/detail loss. The new 40K Captain General showed how to do it with the Lion bit being optional.

A cleaner figure absent the above, keeping his cape, would have looked amazing.

As it is I look at the Shield Captain and think he has all the elements of Valdor (putting aside the goober-head and lack of over-bling) and think he makes a better Valdor.

But then i look at the Shield Captain and aks why? We have Iaxon Hale, and now the new 40K chap. The various plastic sets have parts sufficient to make any number of Captain-like figures (absent the strategically placed tactical rock).

Very odd.

The rest of the teases are very cool - the Alpha Legion stuff in particular looks great from the two images provided, in my opinion much better than the comical Space Wolf stuff which is well off the mark relative to the 40K equivalent bits.

Dorn does look great but I cant help thinking they repurposed Horus' cape - I would swear its the same part but with Fist detailing. Its even got the same stress striation in the fabric in the same places as Horus'. I plan to leave it off when I get and build mine (assuming it isn't integrated into another bit such that there would be obvious detail/part loss etc - I'm looking in particular at how it contacts the shoulder pad and back generator).

I love the little Termite - that's so cool. Whoever sculpted that, and the Sisters vehicle have a real eye for making interesting shapes into great looking vehicles

Well if there reusing the heads of other primarchs then I would guess capes are fair game, I have to say for £75 I would prefer a new sculpt rather than a conversion. That said Dorn looks really nice but lets not mention valdor. All the alpha legion stuff is great and Alph looks amazing probably be a use.he.has.his hat on or.it was finished before the original sculptor left and they have been sat on it.

**MeanGreenStompa**

I personally really like the Lernaeans. Only thing is I need to see what that crest is on the helm as I can't quite make it out. But I'm perfectly happy knowing once I see them all lined up and painted in that same sweet scheme as the contemptor, they'll look great.

I'm still about 70/30 on like/dislike on Scoria though. Need to see him painted up and off that ridiculous oversized base (which I am not happy about paying for).

**The Phazer**

It'd be nice if Genestealer Cults would get full access to the Termite. Feels like it'd fit thematically.

**reds8n**

Dreadpod

**Elbows**

Well that's...boring.

**Crimson**

reds8n wrote:
Dreadpod

Is this somehow different than the old one?

**beast_gts**

Crimson wrote:
reds8n wrote:
Dreadpod

Is this somehow different than the old one?

Engine looks smaller, and the floor pattern is different. Hopefully it's a bit larger so Contemptors etc. can fit in.

**Formosa**

Any new Dark Angels new people?

**djones520**

Formosa wrote:
Any new Dark Angels new people?

All the talk was yesterday. We're being pushed back to book 9. Everything was focused on book 8, with the Blood Angels and White Scars.