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Well, looks like hopes we'd see a conclusion to the story any time soon were in vain, the wording they use suggests the Siege is going to get far more than a trilogy or so.

Not sure how to feel about that tbh. On the one hand, it's even more books to get through and no doubt the new series will be even more riddled with Superduperspecialsnowflakeexclusive Editions and, as you mention, will also likely be used as an excuse to drop the legacy format. On the other though, they could do some really interesting worldbuilding about the various human polities of the Sol system, who's unique cultures are probably at least somewhat still evident despite the centuries since Unification, and this opens up an opportunity to give Mars some decent focus for a change which would be welcome(so long as they don't use any new books as a venue for pushing annoying Necron-related conspiracy guff like last time).

Will have to wait & see, but it would be nice if this time they had an outline of all the tales they want to tell, a number of books they'll be telling them in, and would let us know that in advance. A more compressed(or better yet, simultaneous) release for whatever various formats they come out with for each book would also be appreciated.

 reds8n wrote:


..so the end of the HH series then ?


Hope they keep the legacy format going..

.. although one doesn't feel too confident about this.

If one were cynical one would suggest that dropping the legacy format might be the reason for introducing an arbitrary break in the series.

Less cynical suggestions include:
- having a separate seige series allows them to stretch out the seige without it seeming disproportionately long compared to the rest of the Heresy series
- setting up a sequence of series; Heresy, Seige, Scouring, lets them experiment with formats and styles more easily
- provides different settings and defined periods for games / spin-off products

I fear for a "The Beast arises" approach and that the siege will be stretched to a 1 year release. They will milk this cow till the last, be sure of that. And they will add more Shyamalan, just for the sake of it. (Fulgrim, Alpha Legion, etc.)


So what is left for release in the HH series? The book for Beta-Garmon (Titandeath?) and the Dagger. Some audiobooks and -dramas? What else?


I´m also glad that Swallow is back to the DG and expect a very good read from him. This story and the Flight of the Eisenstein have some similarities and he proved to handle them well.
Also Garro is coming back for his grudge match. Count me in.

Well if we get siege within 1 year that\s actually faster than I was expecting. I'm more worried they will drag it to like 3-4 years.

So I'm going to have patiently collected the 'entire' HH series in the only format it was originally available in - the so-called Legacy size - and you can bet your boots that BL will screw all that up and finish the Heresy in nothing smaller than Trade paperbacks. Why else would you have a break like that in the Heresy story arc?

However, I would be more than happy to be proved wrong, but I'm not holding my breath...

So they are ending the Horus heresy series before the story actually gets to the end of the Horus heresy. Makes sense.

I 100% expect the seige of terra series to not have a legacy format and instead only be available as ltd edition hardbacks hand written by monks on leather parchment, at £500 a book.

It is a marketing distinction, only. A wise one too - it gives a good excuse for people to jump on board. A fresh start, almost. You still get the story conclusion - there's no downside!

CassianSol wrote:

It is a marketing distinction, only. A wise one too - it gives a good excuse for people to jump on board. A fresh start, almost. You still get the story conclusion - there's no downside!

yeah thats my read of it too. right now people look at the book listing for HH and it's a "how many books are there?What do I need to read? I'm gonna go read X instead" so it makes some sense.


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Splog wrote:

 reds8n wrote:


..so the end of the HH series then ?


Hope they keep the legacy format going..

.. although one doesn't feel too confident about this.

If one were cynical one would suggest that dropping the legacy format might be the reason for introducing an arbitrary break in the series.

Less cynical suggestions include:
- having a separate seige series allows them to stretch out the seige without it seeming disproportionately long compared to the rest of the Heresy series
- setting up a sequence of series; Heresy, Seige, Scouring, lets them experiment with formats and styles more easily
- provides different settings and defined periods for games / spin-off products

your mentioning of a scouring series is about right with my thinking, people often assumed the emepror would be enthroned, Horus would die and that'd be the end of it, but I bet they'll continue on into the scouring and beyond.If The BEast Arises was also poular I'd expect BL to keep filling in the blanks over the years, once the scouring is out of the way they'll likely cover the reign of blood or the nova terra internnagnium etc. just for example.

@BrianDavion - I'd rather they finished Siege of Terra and drew a line under the M30/M31/M32 period. Then, I'd like to see them devote more time and effort to flesh out M42 in a considered manner, with all the creative scope it offers. They can still explore the intermediate period through the medium of Space Marine Battles styled books, or even a stand alone series like Gaunts Ghosts or The Beast Arises.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@BrianDavion - I'd rather they finished Siege of Terra and drew a line under the M30/M31/M32 period. Then, I'd like to see them devote more time and effort to flesh out M42 in a considered manner, with all the creative scope it offers. They can still explore the intermediate period through the medium of Space Marine Battles styled books, or even a stand alone series like Gaunts Ghosts or The Beast Arises.

Maybe, but I think they've realized there is a hunger to explore some of this. I'm just speculating, that said I imagine we'll see the scouring, that said one area I hope they don't go is showing us exactly what happened to each of the Primarchs, that could be bad as it could tie their hands for the future.

CassianSol wrote:
... there's no downside!

You say that now, but 4 years from now when the 11th book of the Siege of Terra series comes out (and only at August 2022's Warhammer Fest, and only in hardback) with no sign of an ending in sight, you'll look at it differently.

M30>M40

If the Siege was another 12 years of stories then happy days.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

CassianSol wrote:
... there's no downside!

You say that now, but 4 years from now when the 11th book of the Siege of Terra series comes out (and only at August 2022's Warhammer Fest, and only in hardback) with no sign of an ending in sight, you'll look at it differently.

Truthfully I expected at LEAST 11 books no matter what format that they took. there are gonna be 11 space Marine Legions actively involved in the Battle (Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars, sons of Horus, World Eaters, Death Guard, 1k Sons, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors and Night Lords) I'm 90% certain each Legion will get a spotlight book.

I'm also reasonably certain they'll put out books about what the legions not on terra are doing, especially as Ultramarines, Dark Angels and Space Wolves are some of the more popular chapters

Actually, those would be some stories worth telling. Whilst it'll be nice to get a few stories and some proper narrative on how the Siege developed/ended, a few books devoted to what the other 6 Loyalist Legions were up to in the meantime would be interesting. If they go that route, with an extended 'Siege of Terra' series actually covering events far from Terra, but in the same time-frame, then I'd understand the need for an extended series.

How many Garro stories have come out since the Garro omnibus, "Garro"?

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@BrianDavion - I'd rather they finished Siege of Terra and drew a line under the M30/M31/M32 period. Then, I'd like to see them devote more time and effort to flesh out M42 in a considered manner, with all the creative scope it offers. They can still explore the intermediate period through the medium of Space Marine Battles styled books, or even a stand alone series like Gaunts Ghosts or The Beast Arises.

I take completely the opposite view. I don't even slightly care about M42, which for all the talk of creative scope seems in tone and theme much more suited to aimless SMBattles-style bolterporn than things like The Scouring or the Nova Terra Interregnum or the Apostasy, any of which could support an ongoing series and better fit the "historicals" tone of the Heresy project.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

CassianSol wrote:
... there's no downside!

You say that now, but 4 years from now when the 11th book of the Siege of Terra series comes out (and only at August 2022's Warhammer Fest, and only in hardback) with no sign of an ending in sight, you'll look at it differently.

This would have been the case regardless of if they made this 'new' series. (and yes, it will be annoying when they repeat the same mistakes as the HH)

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@BrianDavion - I'd rather they finished Siege of Terra and drew a line under the M30/M31/M32 period. Then, I'd like to see them devote more time and effort to flesh out M42 in a considered manner, with all the creative scope it offers. They can still explore the intermediate period through the medium of Space Marine Battles styled books, or even a stand alone series like Gaunts Ghosts or The Beast Arises.

I take completely the opposite view. I don't even slightly care about M42, which for all the talk of creative scope seems in tone and theme much more suited to aimless SMBattles-style bolterporn than things like The Scouring or the Nova Terra Interregnum or the Apostasy, any of which could support an ongoing series and better fit the "historicals" tone of the Heresy project.

Seconded. If I wanted the 42k style of moving narrative I'd play Warmahordes.

I really found Dark Imperium throughly enjoyable in terms of moving the narrative along. It reminded me of my favourite Stackpole Battletech novels in that we saw things moving g along on a grand scale, especially Cawl and his handling of traitor geneseed. That was the first current novel I have read that felt like things were happening. I can’t wait to read the sequel. I look forward to more books like that in the future.
I quit reading Heresy ages ago. I don’t feel like supporting that timeline. I want to support a timeline that has tons of potential that is finally starting to manifest.

Flight of the Eisenstein was my first, and my favorite HH book. I'm super hyped up already.

Kendo wrote:
I really found Dark Imperium throughly enjoyable in terms of moving the narrative along. It reminded me of my favourite Stackpole Battletech novels in that we saw things moving g along on a grand scale, especially Cawl and his handling of traitor geneseed. That was the first current novel I have read that felt like things were happening. I can’t wait to read the sequel. I look forward to more books like that in the future.
I quit reading Heresy ages ago. I don’t feel like supporting that timeline. I want to support a timeline that has tons of potential that is finally starting to manifest.

ugh Battletech moved the timeline too god damned fast. there was no time to PLAY in the status quo before it was changed again. I don't want 40k being ruined in the same way

But you can play in any point in BTech's history. That's the beauty of it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But you can play in any point in BTech's history. That's the beauty of it.

Maybe but I'd prefer the setting be a little more deep and a little less wide. It'd also be nice if the writers wheren't so blatent in their faction favortism. The fact that the Draconious Combine can conquer Half the FedSuns (hell even New Avalon) well fighting a civil war is a little much

I did say that the Siege would be a separate series months ago based on what hints they had been dropping at various seminars. I do think it is for the best as they can draw a nice clean line between the two series.

As they have plotted out every book in the SoT series I wonder if they are planning on doing a book a month as they did with the Beast Arises series? SoT has been in the works for quite some time now and they have had an awful lot of planning meetings around it. Would make a nice change to have regular books again. While its more than a trilogy it isn't going to be that many books. At the planning meetings there has been about ten people involved, so I would guess no more than ten books at this point?

What HH books are left?

Confirmed that I'm aware of:
Heralds of the Siege - Book 52 - October
Titan Death - ???
The Buried Dagger - ???

I would guess one more somewhere in that to make it 55 books?

titan Death is in december. Per a warhammer community article. lemme see if I can find the exact passage

edit:

Here it is

That all leads to Guy’s latest Horus Heresy novel, Titandeath, coming this December, which will be essential reading for all Adeptus Titanicus players, giving unparalleled insights into the battles at Beta-Garmon. We asked Guy about the creative process behind Titandeath, and he was only too happy to answer.

Link to the full article here https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/07/7th-aug-adeptus-titanicus-and-the-horus-heresygw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-4/

So, I’m kinda not surprised that the Siege is going to be a separate series, but, it does make me question expected timeframes.

I think a lot of people were starting to get hyped as the HH books got closer to the Siege, and now, I’m expecting that to be drawn out over a long period of time and more novels than we expect.

I agree with what BrianDavion says. I expect to Siege to be told from the perspective of each of the Legions involved, including additional books detailing the months prior to the Siege from a Fists, Custodes, EoM and maybe alternative viewpoints, set as a side-line to further detail the build-up and set the scene for new readers starting the story from this point onwards.

After re-setting the scene, I expect to have a small story arc over several books through the scene told from the Sons of Horus viewpoint, at least 2 or 3 from the Imperial Fists view and Custodes view. 1 maybe detailing the titan and Mechanicus view, 1+ for each Legion involved and likely 1 or more detailing the actions of those Legions -not- taking part in the Siege. For example, how do the Ultramarines deal with arriving late etc? I also expect another story from the view of Malcador, building upon his role and the “choice” he has to make, as hinted at in his short story The Sigillite.

I also expect more changes and surprises to the “traditional” lore than what some of the old school, hardcore fans would like, leaving open future possibilities for GW to build on.

I also then expect at least 2 or 3 short story collections thrown in there for good measure.

That said, there is only 1 thing I’d really like BL to do with this new series… And that is to release the books in chronological order. Nothing frustrates me more than reading a HH novel or short story omnibus and having the stories spoil each other because they are printed in a random order and don’t always take each other into account.

My hopes are not high though.

BrianDavion wrote:
Maybe but I'd prefer the setting be a little more deep and a little less wide.

Bu... wha???

Accusing BTech of not being deep enough? There was a point where they named every single warrior in two whole Clans. BTech has an outrageous, at times almost unnecessary level of depth.

 BrookM wrote:

Does anybody know if BL is having another Summer of Reading this year? I quite liked last years selection of shorts.

apparently they are :

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Kdash wrote:
So, I’m kinda not surprised that the Siege is going to be a separate series, but, it does make me question expected timeframes.

I think a lot of people were starting to get hyped as the HH books got closer to the Siege, and now, I’m expecting that to be drawn out over a long period of time and more novels than we expect.

I agree with what BrianDavion says. I expect to Siege to be told from the perspective of each of the Legions involved, including additional books detailing the months prior to the Siege from a Fists, Custodes, EoM and maybe alternative viewpoints, set as a side-line to further detail the build-up and set the scene for new readers starting the story from this point onwards.

After re-setting the scene, I expect to have a small story arc over several books through the scene told from the Sons of Horus viewpoint, at least 2 or 3 from the Imperial Fists view and Custodes view. 1 maybe detailing the titan and Mechanicus view, 1+ for each Legion involved and likely 1 or more detailing the actions of those Legions -not- taking part in the Siege. For example, how do the Ultramarines deal with arriving late etc? I also expect another story from the view of Malcador, building upon his role and the “choice” he has to make, as hinted at in his short story The Sigillite.

I also expect more changes and surprises to the “traditional” lore than what some of the old school, hardcore fans would like, leaving open future possibilities for GW to build on.

I also then expect at least 2 or 3 short story collections thrown in there for good measure.

That said, there is only 1 thing I’d really like BL to do with this new series… And that is to release the books in chronological order. Nothing frustrates me more than reading a HH novel or short story omnibus and having the stories spoil each other because they are printed in a random order and don’t always take each other into account.

My hopes are not high though.

At the seminars I've been to they have been very clear it won't be that protracted. They have stated it'll be a small number of books (I'm guessing absolutely no more than 12 as that gives it a full 12 months with a book a month, but more likely less than 10) that already have been assigned titles, scopes and authors. The series will have far more in common with Beast Arises than HH.

It is going to start with Horus turning up in the Solar system, Beta-Garmon, the setting for Titan Death, has been stated as the last hop before the Solar System by Nick and Guy. All the tying up of the major plot points will be done by the last few books in the HH series before SoT starts. I wouldn't be surprised to see things like the big DA internal battle saved for the Scouring.

I do agree there are going to be some big twists to the previous Visions of Heresy version of events for the SoT.

 Looky Likey wrote:

Kdash wrote:
So, I’m kinda not surprised that the Siege is going to be a separate series, but, it does make me question expected timeframes.

I think a lot of people were starting to get hyped as the HH books got closer to the Siege, and now, I’m expecting that to be drawn out over a long period of time and more novels than we expect.

I agree with what BrianDavion says. I expect to Siege to be told from the perspective of each of the Legions involved, including additional books detailing the months prior to the Siege from a Fists, Custodes, EoM and maybe alternative viewpoints, set as a side-line to further detail the build-up and set the scene for new readers starting the story from this point onwards.

After re-setting the scene, I expect to have a small story arc over several books through the scene told from the Sons of Horus viewpoint, at least 2 or 3 from the Imperial Fists view and Custodes view. 1 maybe detailing the titan and Mechanicus view, 1+ for each Legion involved and likely 1 or more detailing the actions of those Legions -not- taking part in the Siege. For example, how do the Ultramarines deal with arriving late etc? I also expect another story from the view of Malcador, building upon his role and the “choice” he has to make, as hinted at in his short story The Sigillite.

I also expect more changes and surprises to the “traditional” lore than what some of the old school, hardcore fans would like, leaving open future possibilities for GW to build on.

I also then expect at least 2 or 3 short story collections thrown in there for good measure.

That said, there is only 1 thing I’d really like BL to do with this new series… And that is to release the books in chronological order. Nothing frustrates me more than reading a HH novel or short story omnibus and having the stories spoil each other because they are printed in a random order and don’t always take each other into account.

My hopes are not high though.

At the seminars I've been to they have been very clear it won't be that protracted. They have stated it'll be a small number of books (I'm guessing absolutely no more than 12 as that gives it a full 12 months with a book a month, but more likely less than 10) that already have been assigned titles, scopes and authors. The series will have far more in common with Beast Arises than HH.

It is going to start with Horus turning up in the Solar system, Beta-Garmon, the setting for Titan Death, has been stated as the last hop before the Solar System by Nick and Guy. All the tying up of the major plot points will be done by the last few books in the HH series before SoT starts. I wouldn't be surprised to see things like the big DA internal battle saved for the Scouring.

I do agree there are going to be some big twists to the previous Visions of Heresy version of events for the SoT.

ohh definatly the big DA fight'll be in the scouring, TBH, I'm honestly more excited for the scouring then the siege of Terra. as the scouring ahd such a massive impact on so many of the favorite chapters