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Wow, seems all older titles are getting the game treatment. Hellboy, Highlander, Rambo. What next ? A Golden Girls RPG ? :-D

I'm conflicted. I love Hellboy. I love cooperative dungeon crawls (which this sounds like). I do not love the quality of Mantic's models. I kind of wish anyone else was handling this.

 Myrthe wrote:
Wow, seems all older titles are getting the game treatment. Hellboy, Highlander, Rambo. What next ? A Golden Girls RPG ? :-D

Don't play with my emotions like that! I'd buy the hell out of a St. Olaf faction.


Besides, the real money is in Krull.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Myrthe wrote:
Wow, seems all older titles are getting the game treatment. Hellboy, Highlander, Rambo. What next ? A Golden Girls RPG ? :-D

Don't play with my emotions like that! I'd buy the hell out of a St. Olaf faction.


Besides, the real money is in Krull.

The Jetsons board game. will spacely sprockets our produce cogswell cogs? will Elroy keep Astro or will Tralfaz be taken away to a life of luxury?

Honestly? I'm GLAD Mantic is doing a Hellboy game. Because it's easy for me to skip and not even feel bad about it. Hope you guys enjoy the game, but I can happily sit this one out. Hope it does well for them though; just not my cup of tea.

If it's anywhere near the quality of The Walking Dead then a) it'll be sweet and b) I'll be kicking myself for not doing the Kickstarter

Also keep in mind that the former Bear Wizard was fairly involved in the Silver Tower rules design.

Then again if that was too much of a departure from the original Quest that may be a bit of a detriment to you...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Also keep in mind that the former Bear Wizard was fairly involved in the Silver Tower rules design.

Then again if that was too much of a departure from the original Quest that may be a bit of a detriment to you...

WQ redux is one of my fav GW games tbh.
Gorechosen as well.
Adeptus Titanicus, which looks highly promising.

Hewitt has a midas touch imho

Did Hewitt do Gorechosen? I didn't know that. We got WAAAAAAY too much entertainment out of that game.

Guess I'll be keeping a closer eye on this than I thought!

Ronnie talks a bit about Hellboy on the Paint All The Minis podcast

https://paintalltheminis.podiant.co/e/35eff8babe5d28/

Date of April 22nd is mentioned but that's a Sunday so might not be accurate.

- Co-op board game
- 30-32mm heroic scale (Hellboy is 36mm)
- Abe, Liz and Johann Krauss mentioned.
- Game will involve both investigation and combat - investigation will involve hunting, reading and gathering information
- 6 Bad guy bosses in KS. You don't encounter them until the last room and you won't know who you are facing until then so you may be ill equipped to deal with them (I guess this is where the investigation part comes into into it) Ronnie mentions bringing holy water because you think your facing a vampire but it ends up being something else holy water is useless against. You deal the boss randomly face down from a deck.
- There is also a deck of doom that generates other opponents and new challenges.
- The board tiles are not straight forward square tiles but they are not as complex as Dungeon Saga either. Cemetery, Haunted House and "rooms" mentioned. All artwork in the style of the comic book.

Nnnngh. I love Helloby, but I also love Mars Attacks. I invested heavily in that game post-Kickstarter and was promised Martian lists for Deadzone 2e and Warpath/Firefight. I got an unfinished beta for the former and zip for the latter.

I just don't have much confidence in Mantic's follow-through anymore. I just expect the Kickstarter product and done for their games now.

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm conflicted. I love Hellboy. I love cooperative dungeon crawls (which this sounds like). I do not love the quality of Mantic's models. I kind of wish anyone else was handling this.

Same here
- Hellboy yaaaaaaay
- Mantic Hell naaaaaaay

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm conflicted. I love Hellboy. I love cooperative dungeon crawls (which this sounds like). I do not love the quality of Mantic's models. I kind of wish anyone else was handling this.

Have you actually built any recently? Seems like many who hate base their view off of 1st gen sculpts. They did pretty well with Star saga recently (yaaaay doors!) and TWD is popular here. Dead zone models are also quite good


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 eKaiju wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm conflicted. I love Hellboy. I love cooperative dungeon crawls (which this sounds like). I do not love the quality of Mantic's models. I kind of wish anyone else was handling this.

Same here
- Hellboy yaaaaaaay
- Mantic Hell naaaaaaay

Same question for you

 eKaiju wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm conflicted. I love Hellboy. I love cooperative dungeon crawls (which this sounds like). I do not love the quality of Mantic's models. I kind of wish anyone else was handling this.

Same here
- Hellboy yaaaaaaay
- Mantic Hell naaaaaaay

In all honesty though Mantic delivers a lot of value in their Kickstarters and actually sticks to their schedule, few other companies function so smoothly without 6 month plus delays over their "estimated" times. I have bought into the kickstarters from Mantic I like for the game and the others I didn't. Only one i missed out on that i was on the fence about was Mars attacks and kick myself for that. I did the KoW kickstarter which I was very happy with and the Walking Dead one, again very happy with. Tons of value for the money and I was happy with the outcome. With every project their miniatures seem to be getting better. They might not have the high refined quality of some of their competition but they definately have them on the value/ cost.

 ncshooter426 wrote:
They did pretty well with Star saga recently (yaaaay doors!) and TWD is popular here.

As I understand it, Mantic chose soft plastic for its terrain, resulting in some bent pieces. The TWD figures are too "chunky" to me.

I backed Mantic's Terrain Crate, so, hopefully, will receive it before the HB KS ends.

Star Saga pics: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/70871-star-saga-a-new-sci-fi-dungeon-crawler-from-mantic-games/&page=3&tab=comments#comment-1665889

My expiereince with Mantic is also two folded.
We have a great value game like TWD, and then we have bendy basolutely useless plastic like Star Saga.

Being a Hellboy fan, I will Support the KS (but with mixed expectations)...

ced1106 wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
They did pretty well with Star saga recently (yaaaay doors!) and TWD is popular here.

As I understand it, Mantic chose soft plastic for its terrain, resulting in some bent pieces. The TWD figures are too "chunky" to me.

I backed Mantic's Terrain Crate, so, hopefully, will receive it before the HB KS ends.

Star Saga pics: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/70871-star-saga-a-new-sci-fi-dungeon-crawler-from-mantic-games/&page=3&tab=comments#comment-1665889

Thats's interesting - I had only grabbed some doors (which are the hard plastic), didn't know they went PVC for the rest of the kit. Not a big fan of TWD sculpts either (but to be fair, not a fan of the show either). Like always, the Mantic studio paint jobs never do anyone favors. The Star Saga sculpts looked pretty good even for being board-game level, I will have to find someone here with them. I don't know why they keep jumping around to different materials either... HIPS just works for 99% of the applications these days

 ncshooter426 wrote:

ced1106 wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
They did pretty well with Star saga recently (yaaaay doors!) and TWD is popular here.

As I understand it, Mantic chose soft plastic for its terrain, resulting in some bent pieces. The TWD figures are too "chunky" to me.

I backed Mantic's Terrain Crate, so, hopefully, will receive it before the HB KS ends.

Star Saga pics: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/70871-star-saga-a-new-sci-fi-dungeon-crawler-from-mantic-games/&page=3&tab=comments#comment-1665889

Thats's interesting - I had only grabbed some doors (which are the hard plastic), didn't know they went PVC for the rest of the kit. Not a big fan of TWD sculpts either (but to be fair, not a fan of the show either). Like always, the Mantic studio paint jobs never do anyone favors. The Star Saga sculpts looked pretty good even for being board-game level, I will have to find someone here with them. I don't know why they keep jumping around to different materials either... HIPS just works for 99% of the applications these days

Quick answer....cost. HIPS costs more, and requires better talented sculptors. Resin is too labor intensive for a tabletop mass combat game and costs more, but really holds details. Pvc is dirt cheap, but lacks details and is bendy. That’s why they keep changing formulas on the resin-pvc hybrids to find a happy medium, but who knows how much money they have lost due to people who have been run off by the constant changes and bad figures (sculpting wise and material wise).

Also just pulled out some of my dungeon saga stuff from storage and the paint on it has ...faded??? Rubbed off??? Not sure how to describe it, but the primer is same I always used and is stored with non Mantic stuff which was fine. Also one of the tables from the DS terrain was all sorts of bent. I applied pressure to it all night and it seems to have fixed the issue.

 Theophony wrote:
Quick answer....cost. HIPS costs more, and requires better talented sculptors. Resin is too labor intensive for a tabletop mass combat game and costs more, but really holds details. Pvc is dirt cheap, but lacks details and is bendy. That’s why they keep changing formulas on the resin-pvc hybrids to find a happy medium, but who knows how much money they have lost due to people who have been run off by the constant changes and bad figures (sculpting wise and material wise).

Thanks. Anyone know why Mantic keeps hopping from one material to the next? I mean, their old Orcs Army starter set was fine, with its hard plastic. And TWD's plastic seems to also work. But when you KS a project, you're buying the miniatures unseen, so knowing what plastic the mini's will be in would help.

Well it's Mantic. Unless some miracle has happened the miniatures will be decidedly average. They may not suffer the usual problem of poor design choices, being based on someone else's concept work, but the material will undoubtedly be gak-tier PVC.

ced1106 wrote:
Anyone know why Mantic keeps hopping from one material to the next?

Because they keep trying to cheap out on the plastic in some way and people invariably complain about the quality of their miniatures so they promise to try something new next kickstarter.

Generally speaking, the only people run off by "poor mini material choices" are a small minority of people here and some other similar forums, who aren't sure why every new game in the world isn't released by Games Workshop and equipped with extreme detailed Games Workshop hard plastic sprues. There's little to no complaining about it on places like BGG, where they're more interested in the quality of the tokens and the card board/tiles, the rules, campaigns for replayability, and expansions.

The last time I saw any complaints about Mantic minis was Dreadball, where most potential boardgame players knocked it back because they were multipart and not preassembled or single piece.

Yahbut Mantic set itself up as a less expensive alternative to GW. Ronnie himself used to work for GW as its Global Marketing Director.

As for BGG complaints, Dungeon Saga's Adventurer's Companion was sent incomplete to backers and *very* negatively received. Numerous threads mention bent miniatures and incomplete shipments. BGG even has a four-page thread about its KS practices.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1472760/any-recourse-through-kickstarter-force-mantic-impo
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1466570/adventure-companion-aside-awesome-game
https://boardgamegeek.com/article/26940525#26940525
https://boardgamegeek.com/article/25750167#25750167
https://boardgamegeek.com/article/23830002#23830002

...and so on. Walking Dead is a miniatures game, and, afaik, was received well and the miniatures have good detail.

Star Saga is just arriving, and I haven't found BGG reviews, not that I'm looking at the moment. Here's a first impression, though: "The miniature figures are very nice - good detail. I am looking forward to painting these. The "furniture"
on the other hand, is pretty bad. Lots of bent pieces and flash. Good idea but not implemented very well. The rules are just ok." https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1915438/just-got-game-my-first-impressions

Hopefully, we'll receive the Mantic Terrain Crate before Hellboy ends.

After the stiffing I got on the Captain’s cards for Dreadball 2 this week, this is a hard pass.

Today we're delighted to unveil the first miniature from the upcoming Hellboy game! Also, we've got a great community contest for you to get involved in.

Would you like to paint one of the pre-production Hellboy miniatures? Just comment below with a pic of your best painted Mantic miniature (it has to be Mantic so we can share the results) by March 29th and we'll choose our favourite to receive a resin Hellboy to paint (and keep) ahead of the Kickstarter launch. What are you waiting for? Get painting!

Not bad! I forgot that I need to be saving up for this!!!

That's the problem with the amount of KS starting in April this might just get over looked - I know it's gone from my list but I'll keep the thread updated.

Hellboy is a definite for me. Very happy with Walking Dead All Out War so hopefully same level of quality here.

I'll have to see what the game format is and, ideally, have received my TerrainCrate KS from Mantic.

Star Saga terrain has me very, VERY worried about the TerrainCrate stuff now. Especially since they said it would be made in harder plastic than the Dungeon Saga terrain.

I'd like to believe what Mantic say but they've gone back on their promises a few too many times for me to.

Yep. Not fond of the TWD body proportions, but not a major fan of the series. I have the WizKids version from way back, and a Hellboy Jr. trade. I'm good!

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