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 judgedoug wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
and dumping the rest in the trash.

Why would you just... announce that to a bunch of strangers?

To really drive home how bad the quality was.

I think this is really encouraging, as it shows that Mantic have learned, after some time, that going in hard for quality in their miniatures can be an absolute winner. If you spend the money at the beginning stages with great artists, and excellent painters to paint and show them off, they will drive people to want the game. And I think their quick success here has shown that well.

I really hope from here on out they dump the "chew through" kickstarters and instead go for something which is likely to have a big impact, be long lasting, and helps grow the company, which will allow them to start competing against the likes of Privateer Press and Games Workshop.

I am in for a pledge, and I am not really even that much into Hellboy!

I hope this is a decent length of licence as opposed to only a couple of years,

otherwise it risks being mainly money via KS again which carries on trapping mantic there

Since it's done well it's almost certain the rights owner will want more for a 2nd time round which combined with the fact that by then it will be selling at the slower retail rather than the all the money at once KS could well mean it would be uneconomical for mantic to renew

as there is a Retailer Pledge I guess Mantic has a plan for the future

Not necessarily - it could just be 'selling a many copies to retails of this stuff right here right now'.

I'm with Orlando though, as I hope there is more 'down the road' too.

Mike Mignola seems to be pretty active in the project for a licensor. : "Mike Mignola is involved. He's been approving all the miniatures and has been making suggestions about certain elements too. For example, he suggested having the core team as Hellboy, Abe, Johann and Liz. There have been some instances where he has sent us special drawings to help when designing a miniature too."

This KS looks like a no-brainer for any HB fan.

Mantic are also returning to Mike Magnola with backer suggestions such as having cards to use assisting agents as full agents and full agents as assisting agents so he is definitely heavily involved.

There is a whole retail range planned beyond the KS.

I would be interested in this, if not for the fact that I doubt anyone I know has read Hellboy. It seems like the sort of game where knowledge of the license is pretty much mandatory.

I think a few people saw the movie.

Yes, indeed.

On top of that, it could 'just' be a Paranormal Investigation Game where you get to play...paranormal characters.

If the minis look good - and so far they do - and the gameplay is good (no idea on that yet!), why not?

The 'value' certainly seems to be there "now" and should only get better.

They are about to re-release all the Hellboy comics in paperback omnibus format for a very reasonable price. First one is out next month, great for gifting to your gaming friends to get them interested in the game.

The first book contain introduces quite a lot of what has featured in the campaign so far -

I know many gamers who haven't read Lovecraft, yet enjoyed Call of Cthulhu RPG and Arkham Horror. Best thing to do is to check if your gaming group would like to play a "kick butt' dice-chucker sorta game.

Whoa. John Byrne??

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
and dumping the rest in the trash.

Why would you just... announce that to a bunch of strangers?

Impact!
Like that guy who burned his Dark Elves when AoS became a thing.

Aeneades wrote:
They are about to re-release all the Hellboy comics in paperback omnibus format for a very reasonable price. First one is out next month, great for gifting to your gaming friends to get them interested in the game.

I didn't know this - thank you for the heads up!

I'll be picking them all up eventually.

For anyone who is worried about miniature quality (quite legitimately based on some of the older KoW releases) providing Mantic follow the pattern of Walking Dead then we have nothing to worry about. Cracking miniatures for that game, perfectly fine level of detail on the sculpt and think most people would be happy with them.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think a few people saw the movie.

Think the first movie captured the style and feel of the comics quite well. The second movie less so as it was more of just an action film, although thought that was still a very good film in its own right.

I hope "He's got a gun!" becomes available through Mantic points eventually.

Well seems like job done for Mantic and their most successful KS to date.

Minis look great as does gameplay. I only have a few concerns/suggestions below.

1, Will the minis be the right quality post production. Indicators are pointing towards yes but who knows.

2. The tiles; tracks and cards still look like they need a bit of work. I am assuming they are not the finished product and would have been good to have seen some that were or very near. It also looks like they could do with more tiles and these should definitely feature in the SG’s. Also will they be thicker, currently look a bit flimsy.

3. The Nazi minions are cool but the LMG one just seems to be the wrong stance, would have been better if he was in a braced slightly leaning back stance. Also the rifleman looks a bit off. Would have also been good if a couple had helmets, especially the sub machine gunner with the gas mask.

4. While I am not to bothered if Isla and Kroenen appear in the KS it would be nice to see a generic Nazi officer in leather jacket as an SG to go with the minions. Would then be good to see the leader types in the first expansion. It could also include Hellboy brandishing Big Baby and of course more tiles, cases etc.

Anyway all seems to be progressing well and just remains to see how high it will go, I am guessing at least 1mil.

Well done Mantic!

BBC uploaded a news article about the game on the BBC news website yesterday, this is the first one I have seen for a board game Kickstarter -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-43934835

If Mantic want to take this to the next level, my suggestion would be to have James and Mignola design a brand new story mission as an add-on boxed set, complete with brand new Mignola-designed monsters and characters, and have the story be a "canonical" side-step in the Mignolaverse.

I don't mean have Mignola draw an exclusive comic book for the campaign - that would send it in to overdrive, but that level of investing Mignola's time and energy is not going to happen. But if he just drew up some new threats / monsters and helped James write the plot for the original add-on mission, that would be plenty.

It basically comes down to Mignola's own enthusiasm for the project. If he just wants to use the existing comics as source material (which is likely and understandable for a successful talent like himself), this has no chance of happening. But if he's getting excited about the game and the campaign, Mantic should at least ask him. He's already done brand new artwork for the game box cover, after all, and I don't see how doing a brand new side-step adventure along the lines of "Wolves of St. August," say, would hurt the Hellboy property. If the only way to get the new story (however inconsequential to the Hellboy story arc) is through Mantic's game, that's bound to draw more people in.

It also depends on whether Mantic is currently reeling from starting off with over a million in backers, or if they're interested in pushing the total as high as they can and take on the additional production costs and obligations. Maybe they underestimated demand and would end the campaign right now if they could?

It's definitely going to take an add-on or two to push this thing along again, and I'm surprised we haven't seen any yet.

But I expect they're on the way and will be here shortly.

Addons come each Wednesday for Mantic Kickstarters. Weekends are always much slower so not surprised at the slowdown.


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I can see a few 40k players looking to get their hands on that Rasputin for cults etc. Mantic should make him available to buy more of in the pledge manager. I am guessing he would scale to 40k okay.

 Chimaera wrote:
I can see a few 40k players looking to get their hands on that Rasputin for cults etc. Mantic should make him available to buy more of in the pledge manager. I am guessing he would scale to 40k okay.

Having been burned out on Mantics inability to deal with complex order pulling in Kickstarter, I’d say they need as few options as possible to maintain a positive name for a while. Sculpts have gotten better, I’ve heard good things about TWD, now fixing their let’s change material again because it’s been a week and pulling orders correctly might bring me back.

Chances are you won’t be able to get that model separately on the Kickstarter but he will instead be available for free with mantic points on the webstore. They did the same thing with walking dead Kickstarter exclusives.

a titbit from the comments

Mantic Games 16-time creator about 7 hours ago

" Antonio Morán 2 minutes ago

Could it be possible an "ADD ON" with an extra copy of main characters? (for collectors / painters) ?"

We're goig to be making resin versions available later in the campaign for painters/collectors

plus add on Wednesday, a couple that could be fun (although the doors might well be more annoying than useful in game)


from terrain crate/dungeon scenery ks I guess?


from terrain crate/dungeon scenery ks I guess?

and this which seem expensive (and pretty useless)



(plus as has been pointed out in the comments they add up to nearly half the cost of the whole game)

and a new stretch goal

Folding dice trays with custom prints are the new fashionable thing, I know a bunch of places have started selling them the last 3 months or so

Wow!

Those paid add-ons are remarkably easy to pass on!

I probably won't be able to pass on the 'real resin' minis later on though.

Mhhh... still no Guirescu.
I am beginning to wonder if he will be "retail exclusive"(released with the first wave for retail).
Ilsa and the coming Kroenen were clearly not planned from the beginning. And getting those before Guirescu let's me believe he won t show up in this campaign.
He might even get a little box like "Road to Woodbury" for Walking Dead(which was also retail exclusive)
Maybe put him and some Harpies plus a alternate Hellboy in a single player introductionary Scenario.

Ronny clearly stated in the livestream that there is a retail- and a kickstarterlist. (Which is a good thing in my book/expands the live of the game way beyond the Kickstarter)
But maybe rhwaw lists are not as writen in stone as i think, depending on how well the Ks does.


PS:
Let's speculate on coming expansions! I think the BPRD archives give us some hints with their minion selection.
I call it now. First addon-expansion will be "wolves of St August".
I wonder if there is any Chance for a king Vold.