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A little late, but keep Sisters as far away from Slaanesh as possible. I would prefer SOB get squatted to that horrible idea. Sisters might be slightly similar to marines, but just look at how many different marines there are out there already. You can't honestly use that as an excuse not to release another 3+ save faction.
Overall SOB sit in a much different place from generic marines or the Xeno races themselves. There's also no reason that GW couldn't give them MORE rules to compliment a blend of SOB and IG. Celestine already benefits Guard more than Sisters, why not?

I'd like Corrupted Sisters but I'm a Chaos girl already so I recognize my bias. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just making them Slaanesh worshipers would be the absolute worst way to do it, of course.

I would rather see all the Xenos dexes first. Sisters got decent treatment in Chapter Approved and the Index list might be the best they have ever had it. The meta needs more healthy armies and in my fifty plus games of 8ed Sisters are very healthy. Bring on the Aliens and Mutants, I will add them to the piles of burning Heretics I've been making all over.

A reboot of Imperial Agents would be fine for me. I would rather see the SoB units that are lackluster fixed over new units. I can't for the life of me think up a new Sisters unit that isn't marines in boob plate so who needs them. Fix repentia, celestians and the Exorcist and I'm happy. No new units, no need for new models. Drop us as a dex only release (with cards dammit!) with the Inquisitors and Priests, let me play my Cawdor as acolytes and I'm good.

Give us all the baddies, then give us the best of the good guys, the girls. Maybe with a cathedral super heavy tank....

You can take solace in the fact that the Sisters players will hate whatever models are released for them.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
You can take solace in the fact that the Sisters players will hate whatever models are released for them.

Why would you say that? If they end being like Celestine and the Geminae I’d love them. If we get more of the resin Canoness V, I might be a bit miffed, but I would get over it as long there are not too many skull-boobs. I’d chuck many of my metal models since my paint jobs just don’t hold up with regular handling and play and wouldn’t have to pin their backpacks.

A slightly tongue in cheek observation I've had during my time on Dakka is that a common characteristic of Sisters players is a hatred of everything about the army.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I'd like Corrupted Sisters but I'm a Chaos girl already so I recognize my bias. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just making them Slaanesh worshipers would be the absolute worst way to do it, of course.

Oh I wouldn't be against making them Chaos, I'm a chaos gal as well..but yeah..the Slaanesh thing. Eughh... Tzeentch at the least. Bird aesthetic would be fitting

ERJAK wrote:
Yunno what other army clearly doesn't have any crossover with other army, and a small enough target market that they're probably not viable? Orkz. Why do you think they haven't seen but 1-2 kits or a halfway decent codex since 5th? It's a non-eldar xenos army so it doesn't crossover with anything, and yeah the 20 people who really really love orkz have HUGE armies, but they're not going to be buying anything anymore.

And yeah, Orkz have some mass appeal, the whole faction is a glorified fart joke, but I don't know how many 12 year olds can really afford a horde army at GW prices.

Yes, I'm sure one of the most popular armies since the release of 40k that has consistently sold unit after unit has a small market. The army that has featured in multiple starter sets and has been a massive seller for GW throughout all of 40k, at one point rivalling the popularity of SM and outselling Eldar. You'll notice that most of the range isn't available online for long because of all those people who jumped on to an ork army the minute they became viable.

12year olds don't buy models mate on account of not having an income. Their parents do. They tend to buy whatever their child whinges that they want. text removed. NO need for this Reds8n
I don't understand the complete lack of any logic when discussing sisters. The sole reason they haven't been updated is because they weren't popular. The reason squats were squatted is because they weren't popular. GW can dress things up and cite "design issues" but at the end of the day if they thought there was money to be had by updating or even keeping (in the case of squats) the range they would have done. You can bet your bottom dollar that if Squats did return they would be a completely re-imagined force, nothing like the squats of old. Why? Again because their previous guise didn't sell. It would be commercial suicide to release something that has previously failed.

For all the interest and unquestionable faith (ironic) that people have that plastic sisters would sell, there isn't much noise on this thread.

I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

The sad thing is that there is a good way to do Slaaneshi sisters, to go full-bore into the sensations of the religious aspect. Very severely cut habits for that frisson of submission, the loss of self and sublimation into the ecstasy of worship and purging the unworthy on the battlefield, a noise-marine-esque distortion of quasi-gregorian chanting, revelling in the spiritual degradation of your oh-so-unworthy soul, because it feels so good to be proved that you are indeed that sinful.

That’s all mainly fluff of course, and in any case the Internet wouldn’t allow that for long. Within 10 picoseconds of the models hitting the shelves we’d get the first conversions of a BDSM nun lezzing it up with a daemonette or three on the usual sites. Shame.

My preference is to keep them unbending though, it helps them stand out a bit more and allows a reason as to WHY the Ecclesiarchy has some of the clout it does - because faith really can move mountains.

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

Agreed. Passionate fans that are more likely to want new models for a niche line.

I certainly would love Slaaneshi Sisters, but then again I play EC and use Slaanesh already, so bring on the diversification for Slaanesh!

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

How about the WH4K Facebook page. The admin of which said that literally everything they post has "where are plastic sisters" responses. Unless the thousands of people that use the GW Facebook are all imaginery.

 Sim-Life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

How about the WH4K Facebook page. The admin of which said that literally everything they post has "where are plastic sisters" responses. Unless the thousands of people that use the GW Facebook are all imaginery.

Imaginary? No. But you think their playerbase all are on facebook? Or that playerbase that are on it follow GW there? Or even if they follow post?

Not to mention every post having same question is HARDLY informative measurement. For starters it doesn't account who said it. One very passionate SoB fan can easily do same effect. Not very useful for GW...

It might be weird for active forum users but we aren't majority and generally smallest group create most noise in forum type of places. So unless we get bit more detailed analysis than "every post has comment asking for plastic SoB" is not exactly interesting. As said one person could do that easily.

I want new sisters of battle, And new cultest models for my slaanesh army. With no cross over >.< Just no, not now. Maybe in the future when they grow up a bit.

GW has been releasing a lot of stuff that wasn't a guaranteed sell and will keep on doing so. Space Marines will be made as usual, but GW will still try to diversify their portfolio as usual.

I am sorry, but this anti-SoB sentiment feels more like "I don't want womenz in my game" than valid reasoning.

 Sim-Life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
I'd like to believe you actually know this thread doesn't represent even a fraction of the Sisters' actual fanbase. There's absolutely no way to claim a lack of popularity for anything anymore. GW has brought back less popular things or things that didn't even exist to be popular in the first place. Stop trying to claim that's the reason.

This forum is a fraction of all 40k players. Of course it (to a degree) represents the sisters actual fan base. Of course it's the reason. Look at what GW produces tons and tons of and has just released a load of new kits for - marines. Guess what sells? Marines. Crazy huh? They make new models and release plastic models for the kits that sell best. Almost sounds like they're a business trying to make money.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

How about the WH4K Facebook page. The admin of which said that literally everything they post has "where are plastic sisters" responses. Unless the thousands of people that use the GW Facebook are all imaginery.

That isn't what they post though. They post the meme of; "Is it plastic Lion on a plassssticcc Thunnndaarrhawwwk wifff plassstic sissterrerersrsrsrsrs". It's jest. Or it's what we've seen in this forum; "Sisters deserve new models. I DON'T EVEN PLAY THEM but I think they deserve an update."

 Eldarsif wrote:
GW has been releasing a lot of stuff that wasn't a guaranteed sell and will keep on doing so. Space Marines will be made as usual, but GW will still try to diversify their portfolio as usual.

I am sorry, but this anti-SoB sentiment feels more like "I don't want womenz in my game" than valid reasoning.

So you're completely ignoring the whole "they don't sell", "we're sick of power armour" and "they aren't popular" arguments then? There's no anti-SOB sentiment, people just don't think they'll do particularly well and that's called wasted resource.

in fact I'd argue the demographics on this fourm may be somewhat skewered because we are PASSIONATE 40k fans.And thus we may not represent the typical ones.

Honestly? Most of the time when I see people talk about Dakkadakka it's less "They are passionate fans" and more "They hate everything"

 Eldarsif wrote:
GW has been releasing a lot of stuff that wasn't a guaranteed sell and will keep on doing so. Space Marines will be made as usual, but GW will still try to diversify their portfolio as usual.

I am sorry, but this anti-SoB sentiment feels more like "I don't want womenz in my game" than valid reasoning.

Thank you for stating the obvious. I meant that honestly. If the ones claiming popularity is the cause here actually had an argument based on any sort of fact, it might be a different story. There's no basis to claim they won't sell well and there's no basis to claim they aren't in this magic number of popularity to be worth new models. It's either a poor attempt at trolling or a bunch of people who think they understand GW.

As one of the loudest voices here against the endless tide of spikey and non-spike marines I should probably comment. I'd be thrilled to see new plastic sisters and may finally consider getting an army for them, since I catagorically will not spend that kind of money on a pewter army missing quite a few of it's options. And before anybody calls me out fo hypocrisy, thematically and aesthetically Sisters are very different to Space Marines. Sure, they're wearing Power Armour but it doesn't look anything like the armour worn by Marines and the models themselves just look completely different, what with being regular human women trained to fight on behalf of the Ecclesiarchy. They play completely differently as well.

 dracpanzer wrote:
I would rather see all the Xenos dexes first. Sisters got decent treatment in Chapter Approved and the Index list might be the best they have ever had it. The meta needs more healthy armies and in my fifty plus games of 8ed Sisters are very healthy. Bring on the Aliens and Mutants, I will add them to the piles of burning Heretics I've been making all over.

A reboot of Imperial Agents would be fine for me. I would rather see the SoB units that are lackluster fixed over new units. I can't for the life of me think up a new Sisters unit that isn't marines in boob plate so who needs them. Fix repentia, celestians and the Exorcist and I'm happy. No new units, no need for new models. Drop us as a dex only release (with cards dammit!) with the Inquisitors and Priests, let me play my Cawdor as acolytes and I'm good.

Give us all the baddies, then give us the best of the good guys, the girls. Maybe with a cathedral super heavy tank....

You must be the only person alive who doesn't think they need new models.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

So you're completely ignoring the whole "they don't sell", "we're sick of power armour" and "they aren't popular" arguments then? There's no anti-SOB sentiment, people just don't think they'll do particularly well and that's called wasted resource.

By "people" you mean yourself, because you are literally the only one here arguing that nobody would by them, despite all evidence to the contrary.

I think there really should be a few Xenos first. It is sad we have been so swamped with Imperial and esepcially Marines dexes that I have to say this.

An annoucement of say Orcs and Tau would be greta - they are enemies of each other and the Imperium and so their release could actulally be less Imperial focussed.

Then Do a major sisters release then back to Xenos with Necrons and Genestealer Cults followed by Emperors Children and World Eaters, finish off with Agents, Space Wolves and Knights.

So you're completely ignoring the whole "they don't sell", "we're sick of power armour" and "they aren't popular" arguments then? There's no anti-SOB sentiment, people just don't think they'll do particularly well and that's called wasted resource.

What arguments? At best I have seen disingenuous statements from you that have been countered time and time again.

I shall however go over these again for sake of posterity.

Sisters of Battle do sell otherwise GW wouldn't bother having a metal line in print for years and years and bother making a plastic Celestine(releasing a digital codex, keeping them in the index, writing stories about them, etc etc you get the picture). We have also discussed why they haven't sold as well as other normal lines and that is because this is an all-metal, direct only, and expensive army. To compare them to popular lines such as marines who are the cheapest and most accessible army is outright dishonest.

There is no indication that the army isn't popular and more evidence that it is and rising in popularity. If you mean popularity solely based on how well they sell then I am going to point to the above paragraph about all-metal, direct only, and cost. Rinse and repeat as required. Seriously, a ten-man squad of Serpahims is about 60 pounds. You can get a captain, ten-man squad, and a Venerable Dreadnough for less, in plastic, and most FLGS will stock the boxes.

"We're sick of power armor" is a bit disingenuous statement as most people are just tired of "Space Marines" unless you want to imply that T3 nuns are actually Space Marines, but then you've kinda argued yourself into a corner since Space Marines sell well according to your statements.

I guess you think Harlequins, Ad Mech, Genestealer Cults, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, and so on are all wasted resources or is this opinion of yours solely tied to Sisters of Battle because you have some weird hate for female models? At this point I am genuinely curious to know because I do hope you argued as much against each and every aforementioned line as much as you have argued against the Sisters.

Many people said BB had no market. Everyone and their mothers was doing alternative teams for literally all the roster, the rules were perfect with the LRB, etc... and then, BOOM. It was such a big hit even for GW that they weren't capable of continue putting out models and teams fast enough.

how would you feel if Battle Sisters were to follow after Thousand Sons?

I would say "about goddamn time, finally", and I am a xenos player with 1994-1999 year and various 3d to 4th edition vintage models taking I think more than 30% of the Codex.

Sisters are such a canonical, unique and just pretty army, like, I was drawn to 40K in part by this art: https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/JB146C.Sisters-of-Battle-Copy.jpg

I really liked old Inquisition army composition, with imperial agents, space battle popes and battle nuns, and pipe organs instead of heavy support. The aesthetic was wacky and full of strange detail, not like dull and clean GK or Custodes. Trully gothic-style army. Now there's only Celestine left, flying into battle with her katachan musclemen and beautiful bloodangels on jetpacks as her brave new sisters - or whatever. Yay.

An Actual Englishman wrote:Let me ask all ya'll Sisters guys a question then . . .

If you're going to steal a "word" from us Southerners, at least spell it correctly. It's "y'all". It's a contraction of "you" and "all".

Galas wrote:I'm sure their lack of popularty has to do with [Insert here reason] and not with the fact that they are a 20 year old range of full metal and very expensive miniatures that can be only bought by direct-order to GW website.

And the "Sisters weren't popular back in the day" isn't a real reason for their actual situation. You know what wasn't popular? Dark Eldars. Do you know what was, at the time, as popular as space marines and Imperial Guard? Squats.

For me the only reason they been abandoned all this time? Nobody in the GW studio is really a fan of them, and they can't come up with something that they think is "good enough". That, and Kirby management.

Exactly this. It's hard to justify starting an army when doing so requires the purchase of outdated metal models that cost twice as much as an equivalent unit for any other army. Sisters of Battle are easily me favorite organization from the 40k setting, and are literally the only army I would start on release day rather than waiting for a Start Collecting or Battleforce kit. The only thing stopping me from playing them is my complete distaste for building and painting pewter models.

 Eldarsif wrote:

So you're completely ignoring the whole "they don't sell", "we're sick of power armour" and "they aren't popular" arguments then? There's no anti-SOB sentiment, people just don't think they'll do particularly well and that's called wasted resource.

What arguments? At best I have seen disingenuous statements from you that have been countered time and time again.

I shall however go over these again for sake of posterity.

Sisters of Battle do sell otherwise GW wouldn't bother having a metal line in print for years and years and bother making a plastic Celestine(releasing a digital codex, keeping them in the index, writing stories about them, etc etc you get the picture). We have also discussed why they haven't sold as well as other normal lines and that is because this is an all-metal, direct only, and expensive army. To compare them to popular lines such as marines who are the cheapest and most accessible army is outright dishonest.

There is no indication that the army isn't popular and more evidence that it is and rising in popularity. If you mean popularity solely based on how well they sell then I am going to point to the above paragraph about all-metal, direct only, and cost. Rinse and repeat as required. Seriously, a ten-man squad of Serpahims is about 60 pounds. You can get a captain, ten-man squad, and a Venerable Dreadnough for less, in plastic, and most FLGS will stock the boxes.

"We're sick of power armor" is a bit disingenuous statement as most people are just tired of "Space Marines" unless you want to imply that T3 nuns are actually Space Marines, but then you've kinda argued yourself into a corner since Space Marines sell well according to your statements.

I guess you think Harlequins, Ad Mech, Genestealer Cults, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, and so on are all wasted resources or is this opinion of yours solely tied to Sisters of Battle because you have some weird hate for female models? At this point I am genuinely curious to know because I do hope you argued as much against each and every aforementioned line as much as you have argued against the Sisters.

So let me make myself clear. Sisters have already proved not to sell. Why do you think they aren't in plastic as we speak? Why do you think we don't have resin models for them? Some sinister plot from GW to get rid of them? To troll people who want them? Or perhaps because GW believes that they wouldn't make any money from them? What do you feel is the most likely? Do I know this for a fact? No. Can we make very safe and common assumptions given how GW (and any other business, for that matter) reacts to demand? Yes, yes we can. There is nothing disingenuous about this and I'm sorry you're taking things so hard/personally but it is what it is. Businesses react to sales and profit. Guess what it means if your army is the last to be updated? You're the least profitable. If the outdated range of an army in question was more profitable (say, than Orks), they would be updated before Orks. Quite simple logic really.

It costs GW virtually nothing to run a few models in pewter. Particularly when they sell them for roughly the same price as a kidney. It takes volume to justify plastic, volume that (we can assume) Sisters just don't have.

The argument of "Sisters are unpopular because they are in pewter" is garbage, they are in pewter because they are or at least were unpopular. You have confused cause and effect. There was a time, not too long ago, when ALL MODELS WERE IN PEWTER. What was their excuse for not selling then? Why did GW not update them to plastic as soon as possible to milk that big fat cash cow?

Now, perhaps the demographic of people who play 40k has drastically changed since the days of all metal minis. Perhaps there's a massive market for Sisters now. This I don't know. I doubt it, but I might be wrong. Either way I can see why GW are reluctant to update them.

You read the OP? It's asking specifically how people would feel if Sisters were next codex. Xenos players throughout the World are rolling their eyes at the prospect. I know I certainly am.

I'm glad you asked about other lines, I'm really not sure why you think I have a hatred of female models, it's a very strange assumption/projection for you to make. Feels a lot like strawmanning but I might be wrong.

Harlies - cross over with Eldar and not a particularly massive risk since it's not the first time we've seen models for them. Small release also so not too costly (low model count) to develop and I suspect with their OMFGAWESOME rules in 8th they are pretty popular. The models are also beautiful and you don't need a lot of minis to make a force of them, which helps sell. I don't think they'll ever sell as a primary standalone force and (as daft as it sounds) I think a big part of the reason is because the minis are a little too daunting to paint, particularly for a new hobbyist. They just look incredible on the box art and I can imagine 13 year old me crying as he repeatedly fails to do decent diamond patterns.

Ad Mech - I think they are popular, they were launched at the right time (lots of books/fluff) and have a certain mystique about them. There is the Imperial crossover which also helps players who want to mix them in to an existing force so they're not too dangerous a release (as, say, a standalone Xenos force) because people can buy fewer options to fit them in to an army. They fulfill a niche with regards Imperial players as they are one of the most "neutral" forces that exists IMO. Strong release.

GSC - I don't think are very popular but I don't think they're particularly costly as a release either. So many of their units cross over with Imperial Guard and Nids and they slot perfectly into either as an additional force. I think they were an attractive release to GW because they are one of (the only?) faction that has cross over of both Imperial players and Xenos players which is very rare and they could be used as a litmus test for this sort of force. Also not the first time we've seen their minis so they likely had market information from then that factored into the decision.

I don't think Necromunda has been as profitable as GW would have liked. I don't see it played much and Shadow War Armageddon is a very similar game (if not in terms of rules in terms of theme). Necromunda is tricky because the factions are cool but they can't slot in to existing 40k forces which feels really stupid to me. If there were some way of putting the gangs in 40k I think it would be a lot more popular.

I think they took a gamble on Bloodbowl given the popularity of the PC games. The PC games may have helped increase the market but again I'm not convinced it has been particularly profitable. Then again it's sold through FW so there is that.

 EnTyme wrote:
If you're going to steal a "word" from us Southerners, at least spell it correctly. It's "y'all". It's a contraction of "you" and "all".

Apologies, phone autocorrect is a bitch. Now let me give you some spellings; mathS, coloUr, favoUr. If you can adopt the proper Queen's English when you speak I'd appreciate it.

You and we dont know they "didnt" sell well enough for them, and we dont know if its the investors telling them not to update them.

We dont know, no one will know unless GW themselves says so.

In regards to the original question (and not the idiot argument going on above) I would be ecstatic. I have over 10k of fully painted and based Sisters and transports and I would quite happily buy that over again in plastic.