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ERJAK wrote:
It's 100% anti-sister. What other faction that hasn't seen significant releases in a while have people said SHOULDN'T get released other than Sisters? In fact, take a look here.

Who is saying they *shouldn't* get released? What people are saying is there's probably a good reason they're not getting released.

ERJAK wrote:
Here are a list of factions that sell perfectly fine now that sold about the same or worse than Sisters in second edition, when the majority of SoB sculpts were released:
Gene-stealer Cults
Deathwatch
Custodes
Sisters of Silence
Necrons
Tau
Admech
Dark Eldar
Slaanesh(...ish. they honestly sell pretty close to SoB overall adjusted to how much worse SoB fair in cost.)
Grey-Knights
Imperial Knights
Harlequins

Most of these armies didn't exist back then and were made in response to consumer demand(hey, where have I seen that before?) or just the GW studio getting a wild hair up their butt about anime or something. All of them were massive risks. Others, like Gene-stealer cults, dark eldar, and Slaanesh, actually did sell like doggak until GW put out some cool stuff to refresh the line(Slaanesh got the smallest number of new releases and the small jump. It's almost like there's a pattern their Ron) and they took off like wild-fire(Like plenty of people claim a certain army would)

Most of your list existed in 3rd edition and before (2nd). I won't go as far as 1st. But as far as it goes, yes there are people that say certain armies shouldn't exist, and i'm certainly one of them. But you're right - gw releases armies based on consumer demand. They have how many decades of figures telling them what the demand for sisters were. I find it interesting you included slaanesh on your list - it wasn't that long ago they released new daemonettes and chariots for slaanesh. To be honest, i'm not entirely sure what your list is about - you've listed the things that gw has released lately. Some of them were more popular than others. Where's the sisters bias here?

ERJAK wrote:
SoB are the ONLY army in the game that get this kind of pushback when it comes to a new release. No other army gets the same type of Sales=Releases talk that SoB get. No one says 'it'd be stupid to release Slaanesh because the don't sell' even though by all rights they don't. No one says 'Oh, Orkz aren't getting new releases 'cause the line doesn't sell and doesn't really have much appeal' In fact, the only other faction that gets ANY complaints about getting new stuff(not 'aww I wanted stuff instead' but 'you shouldn't have gotten things') is Space marines and that's because they get TOO MUCH stuff. Even Inquisition doesn't face the same montras despite being in the exact same situation.

Look at all the complaining about Xenos armies we've been seeing lately, and apply this same logic. If Sisters aren't being made because there's no market for them and because they would sell poorly then it stands to reason that Xenos aren't being made because they sell poorly and there's no market for them.

...... But that's exactly what people say. Xenos armies aren't marines, so they get pushed back. They don't make the same profits, so they're sidelined. All things considered, it doesn't seem that far off. How is noting that a bias in any way? Honestly, i don't give a flying crap if sisters are released or not, but to say that there seems to be a reason they're not getting released isn't bias. I'm not sure what your obsession with slaanesh is, but i'm starting to warm to it. lol.

ERJAK wrote:
I will say it again, if you honestly believe that Sisters are not seeing, and/or should not see a release because they don't sell well, that's fair so long as you attribute the same logic to the lack of Xenos and Slaanesh releases.

I just... I can't.... Wow. I read the forum periodically, and that's exactly what people say. Orks, necrons, tau, tyranids. I've been following the game since 1st edition. Things are a little different this edition, but overall it's the same old same old. The 'less popular' armies get the least attention, and/or the biggest price gouges. Ork artillery pieces? Like yeah, i think you're supporting a different argument and are not aware of it.

On a sidenote, i'm genuinely interested in your contention with slaanesh. How exactly are they getting treated worse than sisters yet getting more attention? Is this your local meta?

So, coming at this from the standpoint of a Sister's player. For the original question, I would be surprised if an Adepta Sororitas/Ministorum codex came out after Thousand Suns. I'm honestly willing to "wait my turn", assuming that Sisters are going to get a turn. I'd rather wait and get updated models, then just receive a codex update. This is on top of the problem that GW has been removing codex options that don't have models, and the sisters have several options that doen't have models, such as seraphim inferno pistols.

As for popularity and saleibility, half the players at my FLGS have said they'd start a sisters army if it was affordable. That not half the 40K players, or even half the GW players, but half the regulars. My store also has a relatively large feminist and TG community, and most of them were interested as well (btw, don't suggest slaanesh as an option to them, makes them angry). As it stands, I was the only regular player there who used sisters. While I have a nice sized army, I'd still invest a decent chunk into new sisters, if only to add variety to my existing forces, and to expand my collection. Yes I know that this is anecdotal, and particular to my gaming store, but I have seen similar responses online and in person elsewhere. There is a demand for improvements to the army. New units, new options, new thematically appropriate upgrades, new models. There are also ways GW can get even old players who are content with their collections to buy new stuff, such as the before mentioned new units.

As for the pushback on this forum, all I can say is it's kind of there. At least a portion of it is due to how often this topic comes up. Though one questions the logic in joining a thread that has a topic you don't care about. But there's definitely some there. The "Sisters don't deserve to be an army" crowd being the biggest. Pretty sure an army that has two special characters, an HQ, and two of every force org but troops and with three dedicated transports (all of this NOT counting ministorum and inquisitional units) makes a codex. 3/4ths of the 'ministorum' list ARE sisters of battle. The rest being a special character, four elite choices and a heavy support choice. Sisters however arn't the only army that I've seen get this treatment though. Just before the Blood Angels and Dark Angels dropped last year, there were huge derailments on their News/Rumors threads about how they should just be folded into Codex: space marines.

Finally: Chaos sisters. Dosn't fit the current fluff (which can be changed). But if GW was to make sisters who fell to chaos, there should be representation to all the chaos gods. To just do Slaanesh is flat out sexism in a day and age that sees GW trying to get away from.

I could see sisters of slanaash being completel unrelated though and more something slaanish created specificly to mock the SOBs

BrianDavion wrote:
I could see sisters of slanaash being completel unrelated though and more something slaanish created specificly to mock the SOBs

But there's no reason you couldn't do that with every chaos god, not just slaanesh.

 Mmmpi wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I could see sisters of slanaash being completel unrelated though and more something slaanish created specificly to mock the SOBs

But there's no reason you couldn't do that with every chaos god, not just slaanesh.

totally, that aid only reason I said Slaanesh was the alliteration. it rolls off the tounge nicely

Ok, that's fair.

 Torga_DW wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
It's 100% anti-sister. What other faction that hasn't seen significant releases in a while have people said SHOULDN'T get released other than Sisters? In fact, take a look here.

Who is saying they *shouldn't* get released? What people are saying is there's probably a good reason they're not getting released.

ERJAK wrote:
Here are a list of factions that sell perfectly fine now that sold about the same or worse than Sisters in second edition, when the majority of SoB sculpts were released:
Gene-stealer Cults
Deathwatch
Custodes
Sisters of Silence
Necrons
Tau
Admech
Dark Eldar
Slaanesh(...ish. they honestly sell pretty close to SoB overall adjusted to how much worse SoB fair in cost.)
Grey-Knights
Imperial Knights
Harlequins

Most of these armies didn't exist back then and were made in response to consumer demand(hey, where have I seen that before?) or just the GW studio getting a wild hair up their butt about anime or something. All of them were massive risks. Others, like Gene-stealer cults, dark eldar, and Slaanesh, actually did sell like doggak until GW put out some cool stuff to refresh the line(Slaanesh got the smallest number of new releases and the small jump. It's almost like there's a pattern their Ron) and they took off like wild-fire(Like plenty of people claim a certain army would)

Most of your list existed in 3rd edition and before (2nd). I won't go as far as 1st. But as far as it goes, yes there are people that say certain armies shouldn't exist, and i'm certainly one of them. But you're right - gw releases armies based on consumer demand. They have how many decades of figures telling them what the demand for sisters were. I find it interesting you included slaanesh on your list - it wasn't that long ago they released new daemonettes and chariots for slaanesh. To be honest, i'm not entirely sure what your list is about - you've listed the things that gw has released lately. Some of them were more popular than others. Where's the sisters bias here?

ERJAK wrote:
SoB are the ONLY army in the game that get this kind of pushback when it comes to a new release. No other army gets the same type of Sales=Releases talk that SoB get. No one says 'it'd be stupid to release Slaanesh because the don't sell' even though by all rights they don't. No one says 'Oh, Orkz aren't getting new releases 'cause the line doesn't sell and doesn't really have much appeal' In fact, the only other faction that gets ANY complaints about getting new stuff(not 'aww I wanted stuff instead' but 'you shouldn't have gotten things') is Space marines and that's because they get TOO MUCH stuff. Even Inquisition doesn't face the same montras despite being in the exact same situation.

Look at all the complaining about Xenos armies we've been seeing lately, and apply this same logic. If Sisters aren't being made because there's no market for them and because they would sell poorly then it stands to reason that Xenos aren't being made because they sell poorly and there's no market for them.

...... But that's exactly what people say. Xenos armies aren't marines, so they get pushed back. They don't make the same profits, so they're sidelined. All things considered, it doesn't seem that far off. How is noting that a bias in any way? Honestly, i don't give a flying crap if sisters are released or not, but to say that there seems to be a reason they're not getting released isn't bias. I'm not sure what your obsession with slaanesh is, but i'm starting to warm to it. lol.

ERJAK wrote:
I will say it again, if you honestly believe that Sisters are not seeing, and/or should not see a release because they don't sell well, that's fair so long as you attribute the same logic to the lack of Xenos and Slaanesh releases.

I just... I can't.... Wow. I read the forum periodically, and that's exactly what people say. Orks, necrons, tau, tyranids. I've been following the game since 1st edition. Things are a little different this edition, but overall it's the same old same old. The 'less popular' armies get the least attention, and/or the biggest price gouges. Ork artillery pieces? Like yeah, i think you're supporting a different argument and are not aware of it.

On a sidenote, i'm genuinely interested in your contention with slaanesh. How exactly are they getting treated worse than sisters yet getting more attention? Is this your local meta?

This, 100% this. All of it. Someone suggesting possible reasons for lack of sales is not "anti" anything. Sisters players seem to take things far too personally and it's tiresome.

This thread asks how someone would feel if Sisters were released next. Well as an Ork player who hasn't seen a release since 8th and who sees imperial and chaos releases left and right I would be pissed off.

With regards Slaanesh Sisters - to me a linked release seems possible only because both lines haven't been updated. To be honest the sisters should just be "chaos corrupted" and not linked to any god in terms of sculpt but again I could imagine a Slaanesh link in the narrative because of timing and the age of Slaanesh models.

Personally I find the whole "we are incorruptible" shtick boring and it takes the satire mentioned earlier out of the faction. I think it would be way better to have corrupted sisters;
1. It makes sense, they are only human and humans can fall.
2. It gives the faction more depth.
3. It gives the faction more "realism".
4. It's something different and new.
5. It gives chaos some proper female representation (not daemonettes).
6. It fleshes out the forces of chaos more.
7. It offers an alternative all female army to choose. There are people who wouldn't ever buy sisters because of them being imperium.

To be honest I think it's just as sexist to keep the female models only on the "goodies" team as it is to align them to Slaanesh. It reeks of inequality and that women aren't scary or powerful enough to be considered a threat.

Just my thoughts on it, I'm sure some of you will hate this. If you do please don't attack me and instead discuss my points.

Well as an Ork player who hasn't seen a release since 8th and who sees imperial and chaos releases left and right I would be pissed off.

Obviously Orks don't sell so they shouldn't waste resources on Orks otherwise GW would be throwing away money as you have said. I say this with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

To be honest I think it's just as sexist to keep the female models only on the "goodies" team as it is to align them to Slaanesh. It reeks of inequality and that women aren't scary or powerful enough to be considered a threat.

Having Sisters as loyal only has nothing to do with sexism. You could at best argue that it is a trope, but only if there existed no other female models that represented other alignments. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if people would use plastic sisters to represent Chaos Legions to begin with(There is a growing demand for female Space Marines and a Sisters release would allow for a lot of conversion possibilities).You also ignore the fact that so far women have only had representation in more neutral to evil sided armies(on the alignment spectrum). If you are a woman and want to some representation you have what? Slaanesh(yay....)? Dark Eldar and a pithy in Craftworlds? I guess you could also argue for some models in the Tyranid line as they do have names like Harpy, Crone, and so on. I ignore the inquisition models since playing Inquisition as an army isn't really realistic. This while the boys all have endless stream of Space Marine armies to choose from(Ultramarine Wednesdays, Dark Angel Mondays).

I'd prefer them releasing thousand sons first instead of Custodes and then releasing anything else

hhhdan wrote:
I'd prefer them releasing thousand sons first instead of Custodes and then releasing anything else

ohh you poor dear, you might have to wait a week

BrianDavion wrote:

hhhdan wrote:
I'd prefer them releasing thousand sons first instead of Custodes and then releasing anything else

ohh you poor dear, you might have to wait a week

I'm gonna be honest, I was originally expecting Thousand Sons to be close to the end of the line, and I was okay with that. But now that I know that it's coming SOON every day without it hurts.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

hhhdan wrote:
I'd prefer them releasing thousand sons first instead of Custodes and then releasing anything else

ohh you poor dear, you might have to wait a week

I'm gonna be honest, I was originally expecting Thousand Sons to be close to the end of the line, and I was okay with that. But now that I know that it's coming SOON every day without it hurts.

I'm in the same boat for my custodes actually, I got talons of the emperor for christmas, and nearly started building my custodes when the announcement came.. Now I'm just sort of waiting

I know a lot of people are complaining about the Thousand Sons getting new units..but I kinda like it. I don't personally play the army but variety is good. As long as the units are viable it's pretty cool. However..I don't feel like Custodes even belong if they aren't going to get a decent release. I would like them to get rules for some of the FW models in addition to the general units. Sisters right now would be a rush. There's no point in releasing a codex AGAIN for an all metal army. This seems the year of updates and changes though. GW wants to push out all these codecies and have already said Sisters are getting one. They will NEED new models to make that happen and the current GW actually looks like it might make that happen.

IIRC GW has said FW wll be putting out 40k rules for all their Custodes stuff, so there IS that

BrianDavion wrote:
IIRC GW has said FW wll be putting out 40k rules for all their Custodes stuff, so there IS that

To be honest I want that just so people can have an army that's more than 4 units. The special FW dreads are really nice. I feel like Custodes got ripped off with a generic as heck contemptor.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Obviously Orks don't sell so they shouldn't waste resources on Orks otherwise GW would be throwing away money as you have said. I say this with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

What is your argument here and in what possible way does it counter my point? Orks have a plastic range that has been updated on more than one occasion. They obviously don't sell as much as Space Marines or they'd have received the same level of investment. They obviously sell more than Sisters hence why they've been repeatedly updated. I don't know if you know you're doing it but you are proving my point.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Having Sisters as loyal only has nothing to do with sexism. You could at best argue that it is a trope, but only if there existed no other female models that represented other alignments. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if people would use plastic sisters to represent Chaos Legions to begin with(There is a growing demand for female Space Marines and a Sisters release would allow for a lot of conversion possibilities).You also ignore the fact that so far women have only had representation in more neutral to evil sided armies(on the alignment spectrum). If you are a woman and want to some representation you have what? Slaanesh(yay....)? Dark Eldar and a pithy in Craftworlds? I guess you could also argue for some models in the Tyranid line as they do have names like Harpy, Crone, and so on. I ignore the inquisition models since playing Inquisition as an army isn't really realistic. This while the boys all have endless stream of Space Marine armies to choose from(Ultramarine Wednesdays, Dark Angel Mondays).

Assumptions about growing demand for female space marines aside, your statement "so far women have only had representation in more neutral to evil sided armies" is entirely incorrect unless we are counting SOB as a neutral - evil aligned army? They are the only army that is primarily female and they are also on team Imperium (who are the good guys, right?). There are other models in neutral (Eldar) and evil (Deldar) armies but they are not the majority of the army by any stretch. Don't you think it'd be cool to have an evil counterpart to Sisters? Even if they aren't corrupted Sisters as such but just an army of badass, evil women? It feels like basically there aren't really enough female models throughout the range, having more evil female models would help with this. The only evil primary army of females (I wouldn't call them women) is Slaanesh. daemons really. But this feeds in to my point with regards popularity, to a degree. I hate to say it but look at the last line of daemons to receive a major update. Don't you think it's a rather big coincidence that the last daemon army to receive a massive update including plastic GD is also the one that has a primarily female aesthetic? Almost like female models aren't all that popular?

 mmzero252 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
IIRC GW has said FW wll be putting out 40k rules for all their Custodes stuff, so there IS that

To be honest I want that just so people can have an army that's more than 4 units. The special FW dreads are really nice. I feel like Custodes got ripped off with a generic as heck contemptor.

yeah not a big fan of MOST of the FW custodes range (I agree with those who say it feels to Tau like) but the dreadnoughts are amazing. I'll proably buy one of the fancy FW contemptors for my custodes

There's also female Tau, or are we forgetting that they prefer more gender neutral armor along with leaders like Shadowsun? Or Inquisitors like Grayfax (for as far as people call the Imperium "good" anyways)

Of course I play Slaanesh, our army is the step child of the Daemon Army right now that's for sure.

Or sisters of silence, or guardswomen...

Essentially it's one of those statements they've made in this thread so far that's been pretty disingenuous.

I don't care much for SoB personally, it's essentially just another flavor of Space Marine with a few stat and unit changes but the same weaponry overall. Which is why I'd much prefer a bigger fleshed out Ecclesiarchy book that they are apart of. They don't have to lose any of their stuff, but adding more to it would be nice to give them a variety of tools that they could use alongside.

If nothing else.. More gear would be interesting.

Sisters really feel like they were cast out of the same "trinity" mold that I felt when playing Grey Knights.

Sisters run with the boltgun, flamer, and melta.

Grey knights run a very similar profile of exceedingly restrictive options.

I think both armies have the "Well, we have these weapons, the only different in the units is how many of said weapons they can take."

It lends to very... blah... and is currently one of the only reasons sisters do well, but probably the core of the "we need new stuff" argument.

Dominion spam has been a thing for how long? Immolator spam has been a thing along with it?

I personally don't mind it... I think the way the units work is just different enough that they feel at least a little distinct... with the exception of Celestians. They got just raunchy bad in 8th. Gutted the only fake melee bunch the army had, I cannot even pretend to field a melee squad that'll make my opponent flinch enough to throw a few rounds at 'em (Repentia aside, but they have some problems of their own).

I think currently that a Ministorum immediately following the Daemons release (with all the new nurgle stuff coming in) and the Thousand Sons release, with more new stuff for them most likely, would probably be a misstep. Even Custodes are getting new models. It really reeks of the next few releases probably won't be getting anything but rules revisions.

Also, the timing just feels poor for it. Since last Summer I've been feeling that Sisters were going to be one of the last codexes released. They've never struck me as a largely represented faction, and the hope was that they would like to do something fancy with them, but that would mean they would likely premier the edition, or close out the initial rollouts. We're clearly past a premier, so here's hoping May has something nice in store for the army!

Honestly, I would have preferred a lot of these smaller cult-type factions of the Imperium get wrapped up into one codex that worked well with each other... so that maybe some unit depth would eek its way into all the armies, but soup is always an option!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
"so far women have only had representation in more neutral to evil sided armies" is entirely incorrect unless we are counting SOB as a neutral - evil aligned army?

Of course they are evil. The Imperium is a horrible regime and the Sisters of Battle represent the worse part of it. They have more noble sides, yeah. The hospitalers, they represent the faith, the emphaty for imperial citizens, the hope etc... but they also represent the worse parts of the Imperium. The radicalism, the martirdom that is expected from everybody, self flagelation (Figuratively and Literally), religious fanatism, etc...
That dichotomy is why they are beautifull has a faction. They are THE imperium of Warhammer 40k. No other imperial faction represents as good the core of the Imperium.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Almost like female models aren't all that popular?

I'll prove you wrong, sir!:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy?lang=es
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/tgg2-light-and-darkness


And personally I'll love a Ministorium release (With SoB as the core of the faction). Plastic Sisters of Battle with new vehicles and units, Plastic Crusaders of Both Genders, Inquisitors, Flagelants, Penitent Engines, Priest, Militias... one can dream...

Orks are the only Codex I plan to buy this edition. The release of other faction is unimportant to me.

Almost like female models aren't all that popular?

Why then are third party manufacturers and other games making female models(I guess Raging Heroes is just a mirage)? Hell, even GW is getting on that boat with the latest lines. GW sees the changing tide while you remain oblivious to the evolution that is happening around you.

I think that one sentence I quoted kinda outed your agenda. You really do hate having women in your game don't you? Hate to break it to you, but we are already here and there are only going to be more of us as time passes.

Galas also gave an excellent answer why Sisters wouldn't be considered exactly good even though they have some good in them.

That comment is funny because Neave Blacktalon and Angharad Brightshield have "boob-plate", but it is done in a "ornamental" way, just like the male Stormcast have "pectoral-plate" and both of them have marked abs. Is fitting and respect the aesthetics of the faction.

 Galas wrote:
That comment is funny because Neave Blacktalon and Angharad Brightshield have "boob-plate", but it is done in a "ornamental" way, just like the male Stormcast have "pectoral-plate" and both of them have marked abs. Is fitting and respect the aesthetics of the faction.

When I hear boob plate I think of Sororitas or TGITG style individual breasts modeled into the armour, impractical and certainly uncomfortable if the wearer's bustling actually occupies that space.

With the female stormcasts it's more of a visible bust, still not ideal but certainly better than boob-plate. Personally I would have preferred both men and women occupying the same massive be-pectoraled armour the baseline stormcast wear.

But that's a whole other tangent.

It occurred to me earlier today that'd I'd probably prefer the Xenos races that didn't get anything in Chapter Approved get codexes first.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Galas wrote:
That comment is funny because Neave Blacktalon and Angharad Brightshield have "boob-plate", but it is done in a "ornamental" way, just like the male Stormcast have "pectoral-plate" and both of them have marked abs. Is fitting and respect the aesthetics of the faction.

When I hear boob plate I think of Sororitas or TGITG style individual breasts modeled into the armour, impractical and certainly uncomfortable if the wearer's bustling actually occupies that space.

Which is why it most likely doesn't, unless everyone in the Adeptus Sororitas is endowed with G cup breasts.
Its just ornamentation, and keep in mind this is the same organisation who thinks putting cathedrals on their ships and large Eagle sculptures on the macro cannon muzzle (which might get in the way of the projectile) is a good idea
The IoM is not known to be overly practical. Which is why its such a fun setting.

That said, I don't think the IG need "boobplates." It doesn't really go with their overall aesthetic, which by Imperial standards tends to be more on the practical side. Its interesting to note, as least by my observations, that the higher up the proverbial imperial food chain the more extravagant and impractical the design. Which again, sort of ties with the Baroque / despot theme the IoM has going for it.

I find the argument "they weren't that popular 20 years ago", which as I remember isn't even true, a bit dubious.

Sisters would be fine. Okay if they were the ugliest miniatures GW had released in the last two years, and were utter garbage on the table, then maybe they would fail to sell. But that almost certainly wouldn't happen.

How would I feel? Not much really. Its not my model line. But the idea they are not more distinctive than another "Marines+1" release is bizarre.

Honestly, if they got more than just a codex released on the side like Thousand Sons is getting, and got models, I think I'd likely die from shock more than anything. As someone who has been playing Sisters since 5th I'm basically numb to the lack of new stuff, and even the new Celestine really didn't do much fo getting me hyped.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the model, but when everything else is basically 2nd edition era pewter (some of it was released in 3rd but I suspect was designed in 2nd) it's hard to feel like they're meant to be the same army.

I'm not really going to weigh in on this whole argument about Sisters popularity in the past versus potential in the present, but I will say that there is a lot of potential for the army going forward. GW has snuck in some fluff about Sisters of Silence basically masquerading as Sisters of Battle over the last four thousand years, so the two Sisters factions may be coming together (which would give the army known for hunting witches some actual buffs for hunting witches while at the same time giving the Sisters of Silence more options for dealing with stuff like hordes and armour that they don't handle so well on their own), and I'm okay with that since they are fairly similar in many respects and it's not like there aren't canon Sororitas orders that have vows of silence.

Then again, with modern fluff being the Sisters of Silence being unbanned from coming to Terra (and being recovered by the Custodes to ensure that they'd have their complimentary force of warp-neutralizing companions again) this may not become a thing and I'm equally okay with that.

Really all I want for Sisters at this point is to see some variation in how the army plays (fixing the more melee-centric units like Repentia and Celestians would be a good start) so that players have a reason to finally change their army lists, and plastics.

I mean, is the demand for Sisters now any less than the demand for us to get Primaris Marines before they were released?

 Galas wrote:
Of course they are evil. The Imperium is a horrible regime and the Sisters of Battle represent the worse part of it. They have more noble sides, yeah. The hospitalers, they represent the faith, the emphaty for imperial citizens, the hope etc... but they also represent the worse parts of the Imperium. The radicalism, the martirdom that is expected from everybody, self flagelation (Figuratively and Literally), religious fanatism, etc...
That dichotomy is why they are beautifull has a faction. They are THE imperium of Warhammer 40k. No other imperial faction represents as good the core of the Imperium.

Jesus Christ this is some pedantry. It's pretty obvious that GW believes WE think the Imperium are more morally just than say, Tyranids, Daemons and Orks? Yes yes we all know that no force in 40k is "good". Grim dark and all that. But I'd say it's pretty damn clear that Imperium are considered the heroes of the game.

 Galas wrote:
I'll prove you wrong, sir!:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy?lang=es
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/tgg2-light-and-darkness

Huh I could be wrong I guess. It depends how big the market is for these figures. I mean $600 - $800k might be a drop in the ocean for all we know (or are you going to show me the entire spend on gaming figurines for all companies aggregated?). I certainly think this lends credence to the theory that there's a market there now.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Why then are third party manufacturers and other games making female models(I guess Raging Heroes is just a mirage)? Hell, even GW is getting on that boat with the latest lines. GW sees the changing tide while you remain oblivious to the evolution that is happening around you.

And how much money do these companies make? Do they only sell female models? Do you have the breakdowns of how many models they sell? No? Guess it means sweet FA then. I'm not oblivious to any evolution, I just disagree with your stance that female models are super popular among gamers now.

Where on earth did you get the idea that I have any sort of agenda? Can you actually provide some proof of this or do you just like throwing out strawman arguments? I have repeatedly stated that the market might be different now. I have said what I think based on the evidence I have to hand.

And what is your pic supposed to prove? My point? That massive 21 likes that the post managed to garner. How incredibly important this issue is to so many people. Obviously.

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