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Just give them a whole list of dual pistol weapons (it's not like GW hasn't made arm and barrel sections separate so we can fit blt, melt and flamer pistol designs all in the same kit) as an option so we can decide if we want them to be choppy, shooty, or both.

 Manchu wrote:
FIRM FIRM FIRM "no thanks" to the absurd notion of combining Sisters of Silence with Adepta Sororitas. No one would ever think it made sense to lump Custodes in the Vanilla Astartes book. Just because both factions are girls in armor - that's a maddeningly stupid rationale, especially - again - given that at any given time there are 5-6 distinct astartes books.

Another fear of mine: plastic Sisters come out as part of another freakshow "Witch Hunters" dex (featuring, you guessed it, Sisters of Silence). Note that currently Sisters of Silence have their own faction page on GW's online store whereas Sororitas are filed under "Adeptus Ministorum." Very unsettling development.

It's more that it's hard not to look at SoS and see the weird overlap they've created even down to wargear selection. Bolters and flamers and a unit with two handed swords. It's like they thought "what are some good weapons for an anti psyker unit" and immediately thought of SoB, so they started giving SoS the same wargear.

It's weird and bodes poorly imo, I have a nasty feeling SoS won't be getting merged with SoB, but will be taking their niche mechanically and limelight as well.

Making Sisters of Silence a full army would be bizarre. They're too focused on anti-psyker to be reasonable, it's to an even greater extent than Grey Knights are with daemons. If SoS were strong enough to compete with non-psyker armies then a psyker army might as well just pack up their toys and go home.

Personally I'd rather they be squatted alongside the other Imperial auxiliaries that take up more ink than they're worth (looking at you, assassins). Sisters of Battle are the real, reasonable army.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Making Sisters of Silence a full army would be bizarre. They're too focused on anti-psyker to be reasonable, it's to an even greater extent than Grey Knights are with daemons. If SoS were strong enough to compete with non-psyker armies then a psyker army might as well just pack up their toys and go home.

Personally I'd rather they be squatted alongside the other Imperial auxiliaries that take up more ink than they're worth (looking at you, assassins). Sisters of Battle are the real, reasonable army.

At least there are Psykers in more than half of the armies you normally see on the table. Not that many armies have daemons.

Right after sons, which are after the model releases of daemons and custodes? Nope.

GW model production is too limited at the moment. They need space for a big model release more than they need a rushed codex. No need models yet again would be a major strike against the 'new' GW.

Voss wrote:
Right after sons, which are after the model releases of daemons and custodes? Nope.

GW model production is too limited at the moment. They need space for a big model release more than they need a rushed codex. No need models yet again would be a major strike against the 'new' GW.

Definitely agree. If it wasn't for FW we likely wouldn't be seeing Custodes right now, but instead be seeing something else that wasn't getting any/very many models added to it.

Look it all the love DG and SM got though.

 Primark G wrote:
Look it all the love DG and SM got though.

All that love is why we're saying that there needs to be a bit of a buffer before we see another large release. Three kits for Custodes and rules from FW is about right to give the army a sizable update without a massive investment and to let some wallets rest before the next big release. Players are likely to spend more with a little space between bigger releases as our finances have time to recover.

They can only do so many armies real justice plus DG and Nurgle are deserving. It so easy for you to say they should spread it around more. Look it all the new Custodes.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Making Sisters of Silence a full army would be bizarre. They're too focused on anti-psyker to be reasonable, it's to an even greater extent than Grey Knights are with daemons. If SoS were strong enough to compete with non-psyker armies then a psyker army might as well just pack up their toys and go home.

Personally I'd rather they be squatted alongside the other Imperial auxiliaries that take up more ink than they're worth (looking at you, assassins). Sisters of Battle are the real, reasonable army.

Note that I'm less arguing that it is a good idea, and more worried GW thinks it is a good idea. They've been doing well lately but they aren't perfect.

SilverAlien wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Making Sisters of Silence a full army would be bizarre. They're too focused on anti-psyker to be reasonable, it's to an even greater extent than Grey Knights are with daemons. If SoS were strong enough to compete with non-psyker armies then a psyker army might as well just pack up their toys and go home.

Personally I'd rather they be squatted alongside the other Imperial auxiliaries that take up more ink than they're worth (looking at you, assassins). Sisters of Battle are the real, reasonable army.

Note that I'm less arguing that it is a good idea, and more worried GW thinks it is a good idea. They've been doing well lately but they aren't perfect.

They've been making a lot of money lately. Doing 'well' is both subjective and debatable.

I think a Sisters of SIlence Army is now only a matter of time.

Partly because its an easy "mini release" to do.
Have one more unit type (I don't know - Sister Terminators, Sister Jet Bikes, Totally not Seraphim), a vehicle (two version plastic Kharon Pattern Acquisitor?), and a character clampack.
Done. Easy release, not much development time.

Not sure it would sell - but then I wasn't convinced Custodes were flying off Forgeworld's shelves. I am sure if the models look good and work on the table they will be fine.

 Primark G wrote:
I know a lot of people feel let down that the next codex to release is not a xenos race - how would you feel if Battle Sisters were to follow after Thousand Sons? Who really knows? I am excited about the Custodes codex but know that a lot of players want to see new xenos codices.

I'd be happy for the long suffering Sisters players. After that I'd be on the xenos bandwagon.

Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

I would have mixed feelings on this.

One side of me would be super excoted for SoB and the other side would be like... No Xenos???

I would prefer Necrons and Sisters came out side by side in a campaign/starter set with new plastics.

They could easily double up a Xenos release in the same month as Sisters by doing something like Dark Eldar or Tau who don't need new models right now (though I could see a clamshell character slip in anyways).

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

if they rlled up the two armies it would IMHO be only if they returned to "codex witch hunters" in which case sisters of silence as an elite choice to operate along side sisters of battle might be a option, the only reason I wonder if SoS might be folded in with someone else is right now they are elites and not troops

SilverAlien wrote:
I'm amused by the suggestion that SoB aren't just another minor variation on marines gameplay wise yet custodes are.

Rumor has it that when SoB were pitched way back when, the corporate exchange went like this.

Chairman 1:We need a new idea for a marines sub-faction to sell minis

Chairmen 2: How about marines, BUT WITH 2 X CHROMOSOMES!!!!

Chairman 1: Genius.


And to answer the OP. If the next codex were SoB, then the entire fanbase of SoB would die of shock, thus not being able to spend money they saved for such an event, leading to GW shelving SoB for another 20 years.

 Madoch1 wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
I'm amused by the suggestion that SoB aren't just another minor variation on marines gameplay wise yet custodes are.

Rumor has it that when SoB were pitched way back when, the corporate exchange went like this.

Chairman 1:We need a new idea for a marines sub-faction to sell minis

Chairmen 2: How about marines, BUT WITH 2 X CHROMOSOMES!!!!

Chairman 1: Genius.


And to answer the OP. If the next codex were SoB, then the entire fanbase of SoB would die of shock, thus not being able to spend money they saved for such an event, leading to GW shelving SoB for another 20 years.

It's interesting, the number of people here who have clearly never played with OR against SoB, especially in 8th. Sisters play closer to Harlequins than marines. Marines are a static gunline that occasionally gets delusions of granduer and goes in for the slap fight. Sisters, on the other hand, are a shotgun. We have jack-feth-all in the way of long range options so our best bet is to get in close and blast you with as much melta as you can fit into 2000pts.

And yeah, we'd probably all die of shock, but I've planned for that. My will states that all of my money should be used to purchase SoB for the good of future generations after the cardiac arrest takes me.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

if they rlled up the two armies it would IMHO be only if they returned to "codex witch hunters" in which case sisters of silence as an elite choice to operate along side sisters of battle might be a option, the only reason I wonder if SoS might be folded in with someone else is right now they are elites and not troops

I don't really like SoS models (goddamn TOPKNOTS) but I could see them being fluffed as joining the sororitas. I mean the main job of both factions is being anti-psyker so it makes sense if you think of it that way. Guilliman is all "hey you female anti-psykers, support this other group of women we have that super hates psykers."

 Sim-Life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

if they rlled up the two armies it would IMHO be only if they returned to "codex witch hunters" in which case sisters of silence as an elite choice to operate along side sisters of battle might be a option, the only reason I wonder if SoS might be folded in with someone else is right now they are elites and not troops

I don't really like SoS models (goddamn TOPKNOTS) but I could see them being fluffed as joining the sororitas. I mean the main job of both factions is being anti-psyker so it makes sense if you think of it that way. Guilliman is all "hey you female anti-psykers, support this other group of women we have that super hates psykers."

I know right? It seems to be a pretty logical move. Both their fields overlap, so the best course of action, in lore, would be to merge the two into a single organisation to cut down on bureaucracy.
Then again, they are under the authority of two different imperial branches, the navigators (SoS) and the church (SoB). Not sure how merging them into a single group would reflect that. Maybe have the group led by representatives from this organisations, or the inquisition? Not sure.

ERJAK wrote:

 Madoch1 wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
I'm amused by the suggestion that SoB aren't just another minor variation on marines gameplay wise yet custodes are.

Rumor has it that when SoB were pitched way back when, the corporate exchange went like this.

Chairman 1:We need a new idea for a marines sub-faction to sell minis

Chairmen 2: How about marines, BUT WITH 2 X CHROMOSOMES!!!!

Chairman 1: Genius.


And to answer the OP. If the next codex were SoB, then the entire fanbase of SoB would die of shock, thus not being able to spend money they saved for such an event, leading to GW shelving SoB for another 20 years.

It's interesting, the number of people here who have clearly never played with OR against SoB, especially in 8th. Sisters play closer to Harlequins than marines. Marines are a static gunline that occasionally gets delusions of granduer and goes in for the slap fight. Sisters, on the other hand, are a shotgun. We have jack-feth-all in the way of long range options so our best bet is to get in close and blast you with as much melta as you can fit into 2000pts.

And yeah, we'd probably all die of shock, but I've planned for that. My will states that all of my money should be used to purchase SoB for the good of future generations after the cardiac arrest takes me.

Yeah, its crazy how little people know what they do, just had a game with them and when i Scouted 20 Melta guns in Basically OPen top Rhinos, move Celstine 24" and Seraphim that far to hit him with 24 meltas, 6 HF's and a large amount of Bloters with 3 Meless... he was shocked and said they are broken.. I went against a SM player. The worst part is, i was using Penitent Engine and a large unit of Arco-flagellents instead of 2 more units of Doms in Repressors or Rets with HB's lol. Imagine if i took the other units.

I always say they are like DE, except without the Overcosts to everything b.c DE for some reason GW wants them to be BDSM not just in fluff but for the player too.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

if they rlled up the two armies it would IMHO be only if they returned to "codex witch hunters" in which case sisters of silence as an elite choice to operate along side sisters of battle might be a option, the only reason I wonder if SoS might be folded in with someone else is right now they are elites and not troops

I don't really like SoS models (goddamn TOPKNOTS) but I could see them being fluffed as joining the sororitas. I mean the main job of both factions is being anti-psyker so it makes sense if you think of it that way. Guilliman is all "hey you female anti-psykers, support this other group of women we have that super hates psykers."

I know right? It seems to be a pretty logical move. Both their fields overlap, so the best course of action, in lore, would be to merge the two into a single organisation to cut down on bureaucracy.
Then again, they are under the authority of two different imperial branches, the navigators (SoS) and the church (SoB). Not sure how merging them into a single group would reflect that. Maybe have the group led by representatives from this organisations, or the inquisition? Not sure.

Are the Sisters of Silence still under the Black Ships / Navigators or reporting more directly to RG now? Will have a look at Index at lunch time.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Flipping back to Sisters of Silence/Sisters of Battle, after reading Watchers of the Throne last night instead of sleeping I can say I don't expect a roll up of the two armies.

Basically the Sisters of Silence (who weren't on Black Ships or under the Inquisition) pretended to be Sisters of Battle convents but that's basically it. The bottom levels where all Sisters of Silence organizational focused and there really isn't any sign of there being any faith their with the Sister of Silence character mentioning that she can't see the Emperor as anything other than a man due to her nature.

Basically when you're separate from the reality others experience it's hard to be religious. This is a sentiment I'd expect to carry over across the board to other Sisters of Silence.

if they rlled up the two armies it would IMHO be only if they returned to "codex witch hunters" in which case sisters of silence as an elite choice to operate along side sisters of battle might be a option, the only reason I wonder if SoS might be folded in with someone else is right now they are elites and not troops

I don't really like SoS models (goddamn TOPKNOTS) but I could see them being fluffed as joining the sororitas. I mean the main job of both factions is being anti-psyker so it makes sense if you think of it that way. Guilliman is all "hey you female anti-psykers, support this other group of women we have that super hates psykers."

I know right? It seems to be a pretty logical move. Both their fields overlap, so the best course of action, in lore, would be to merge the two into a single organisation to cut down on bureaucracy.
Then again, they are under the authority of two different imperial branches, the navigators (SoS) and the church (SoB). Not sure how merging them into a single group would reflect that. Maybe have the group led by representatives from this organisations, or the inquisition? Not sure.

Are the Sisters of Silence still under the Black Ships / Navigators or reporting more directly to RG now? Will have a look at Index at lunch time.

Its not entirely clear. All it says is the usual spiel about how the Sisters of Silence were created under the emperor to be among the best anti-psychic soldiers.
I'm assuming they still guard the Black Ships, but GW retcons their fluff so often now that I can't keep track anymore.

Fluff-wise, I never really associated the SoB with being anti-psyker. They were always just generally anti-heretic. Yes, psykers are included in the "heretic" label, but so is pretty much everyone in the Imperium to some degree or another.

 Crimson wrote:


That nakedness thing is just embarrassing.

Well yeah, that's the point. They are repentant. Embarrassment has historically been a part of the penance process.
The lack of armor is also to show that they have faith the Emperor will protect them, which again is part of the process.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Crimson wrote:


That nakedness thing is just embarrassing.

Well yeah, that's the point. They are repentant. Embarrassment has historically been a part of the penance process.
The lack of armor is also to show that they have faith the Emperor will protect them, which again is part of the process.

No that's just an excuse to have naked ladies. That Blanche Repentia concept is much better.

Does it really show penance though? I mean, that concept art just looks like a bald sister to me.
Generally speaking, the penitents tended to dress up silly, from white sheets to animal masks.
Its for that reason why I think the repentia should just have a simple white robe on, in reference to such religious practices and well as that protective faith of the Emperor thing, rather than leather bikinis.
Nothing wrong with that, mind you, just doesn't quite fit thematically. That's more of a Slaanesh thing, imo.

I wouldn't mind if Sob follows 1ksons, and I say that as a xenos only player. Sisters have been neglected more than long enough to have earned their place as "one of us" imo.

In fact I really hope it's a codex + models release. I would have started a sisters army 10-15 years ago if they'd only had plastic infantry.

 EnTyme wrote:
Fluff-wise, I never really associated the SoB with being anti-psyker. They were always just generally anti-heretic. Yes, psykers are included in the "heretic" label, but so is pretty much everyone in the Imperium to some degree or another.

Kill the Witch, Purge the Alien, Burn the Heretic. Sisters have had prayers for doing all three from their start.