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As the post title states, this is gonna be my LVO list. Not looking to change much, but I'd love thoughts on bad matchups and wargear tweaks. Gonna try playing a lot of the bad matchups this week.

Stygies VIII Battalion
Enginseer (Warlord)
Enginseer

5 Rangers, 2 Trasnuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex
5 Rangers
5 rangers

5 Sydonian Dragoons

Vanguard
Belisarius Cawl

Culexus
Culexus
Eversor

4 Kastellans, 3 Phosphor Blasters (Mars Forgeworld)
4 Kastellans, Indecine combustor and Fists (Lucius Forgeworld)

7 CP's

General thought would be Cawl and the Dakkastellans camp out screened by the bare bones rangers, trying to get Wrath of mars off on stuff. The Dragoons infiltrate up field or act as another screen depending on if I get first turn. The kastellans with flamers deepstrike in with the Lucius stratagem and flamethrower something, then switch into conqueror protocols and generally wreck stuff in the opponents backfield/try to take an objective. They can also act as a really good screen for the dakkastellans if facing a bloodletter bomb, as the flamers are 12" range, so the overwatch has a chance of removing a decent number of models. The squad with transuranic arquebuses tries to deal with support characters and likely sits on an objective as well.

The culexus' act as first turn smite decoys or sit on objectives and be annoying for enemy psykers.

The eversor tries to tie up something shooty if possible while everything gets into position. Otherwise he goes after screens.

The warlord probably takes monitor malevolus for the chance to get CP's back. The other enginseer gets some relic, probably the omniscient mask?

Thoughts? C&C?

You cant have just one unit in different forge world the hole detachment has to be the same and if you take Cawl it must be mars. So you have to read up on a few things. Also the list is weak kastellans got shoot up fast or got into cc then you done.


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Read list building restrictions and how to build list also before you apply this isnt gona work on the event.

Csaszi28 wrote:
You cant have just one unit in different forge world the hole detachment has to be the same and if you take Cawl it must be mars. So you have to read up on a few things. Also the list is weak kastellans got shoot up fast or got into cc then you done.


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Read list building restrictions and how to build list also before you apply this isnt gona work on the event.

As per page 72 of the admech codex you can declare the forgeworld on a per unit basis. A lot of the better lists have been doing this to maximize stratagems.

You are confusing canticles and dogmas. All units in a detachment must have adeptus mechanicus to get canticles, and must all be of the same forgeworld to get dogmas.

Have you played any of these units? A 1+ save and a 4+ invul on a t7 6w model that can be repaired does not shift easily...

Cut one Dragoon. You're going to find piling in really weird with 5.

Cut both Arquebuses. They are not going to do much. Try to get more screening units in. You need more depth for assault matchups and more frontage for when you need to castle up against armies like Tau.

Cut one Culexus. Two is overkill.

Punchbots seem risky. I have not tried them.

Souping the second detachment is a mistake. You want the Doctrine, and most tournaments set the detachment limit at 3. Might as well make two Battalions and get rid of the Lucius, since Stygies infiltration is better for melee anyway. You're also super CP hungry, and having 9 CP at a minimum seems a priority.

Here's 1785 points worth (sorry, I am having trouble fitting the Assassins in, but I would maybe try it with a Company Commander with the 5+/5+ CP recycling setup):

Anyhow, best of luck!

Suzuteo wrote:
Cut one Dragoon. You're going to find piling in really weird with 5.

Cut both Arquebuses. They are not going to do much. Try to get more screening units in. You need more depth for assault matchups and more frontage for when you need to castle up against armies like Tau.

Cut one Culexus. Two is overkill.

Punchbots seem risky. I have not tried them.

Souping the second detachment is a mistake. You want the Doctrine, and most tournaments set the detachment limit at 3. Might as well make two Battalions and get rid of the Lucius, since Stygies infiltration is better for melee anyway. You're also super CP hungry, and having 9 CP at a minimum seems a priority.

Here's 1785 points worth (sorry, I am having trouble fitting the Assassins in, but I would maybe try it with a Company Commander with the 5+/5+ CP recycling setup):

Spoiler:

Lucius Battalion Detachment - 832

HQ - 287
Belisarius Cawl
1x Tech-Priest Enginseer - Warlord: Monitor Malevolus, Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land

Troop - 105
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle

Heavy Support - 440
4x Kastelan Robots - 3x Heavy Phosphor Blasters

Stygies VIII Battalion Detachment - 953

HQ - 92
1x Tech-Priest Enginseer
1x Tech-Priest Enginseer

Troop - 105
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle
5x Skitarii Ranger - Galvanic Rifle

Heavy Support - 484
4x Kastelan Robot - Kastelan Fists, Incendine Combustor

Fast Attack - 272
4x Sydonian Dragoon - Taser Lance

Total: 1785 points
9 Command Points

Anyhow, best of luck!

Thanks for the feedback!

I have no idea why infiltrating the kastellans slipped my mind. A stygies battalion is where they will end up.

I agree with all of your points around 15 more rangers and running two battalions. However practically I'm not gonna be able to get the 15 more rangers painted up in time.

Gonna toy with tweaking things a bit to max cps. Maybe a graia TPD with the techno mitre in the vanguard with assassin's. That would get me 9 cps.

I made a typo. Mars Battalion for Cawl. Not Lucius. You want the Wrath of Mars to kill Magnus, Mortarion, etc. xD

But as a stopgap, yeah, Vanguard with a Techno-Mitre might help. Let us know what you went with.