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 Thairne wrote:
the latter.
He was also rumoured as a "Lieutnant style" character which he is not, he's more like a Company champion.
So mix-ups do and can happen.

People seem to forget too: it's been claimed that GW has, in the past, sent different versions of rules releases to people that are very similar but not identical in order to weed out leakers. Sometimes a rumor might just be someone repeating one of these fake copies.

We should also be quick to realize that nothing has mentioned points. FW or otherwise. If we get +1W across the board, I expect we will see some form of points compensation to balance out. Unless that balance is us losing the ++1 army wide.

Considering that the only thing that kept Custodes slightly above 50% was the 3++, I dont think we need any compensation if that one's gone (which it is very, very likely).
It's pretty much just compensation for the lethality of the new meta and the prevalence of MW spam to keep with the flow.

That said, if we go down to a 5++ (which for an elite army as this is pretty bad) there should be quite a few ways to get back up to a 4++. AP2 is still the most common, but especially in melee and against marines AP3 will be just that more common and brutal.
That means that, with essentially the same survivability in most cases, the extra will come in very handy against anything that isnt D2.
At least we wont die do a squid with a metal plate on its head that easily anymore (which bothers the living feth out of me)

So today, there was a video in my YT feed about GW recent major price increases. Which the store justified by saying it had to do with the points value of the models. Does this mean Custodes are about to see a major cost increase?

i have a question to this rather popular arche type.

trajan
dawneagle captain
3x3 sagittarum
5x venatari
galatus
2x telemon

and then a patrol of either 2x5 scions and a guard hq or 2x5 battle sisters and a fitting hq.

my question is; how do those lists play? the scions seem rather bad for holding objectives. They can deep strike innately, I guess, but where do they go from there? sisters are decent but.. couldn't you just use sisters of silence and be done with it? Is there a combo or a strat thing missing? or a game plan that im blind too?

Cost of custodes army is significantly depend on FW units. Price changes in gw line honestly, make very trivial impact.

So, all we can do at this point is contrast ourselves against our competition. Here's a first try, The new and improved Abbadon with his new rules for 220, or Trajann for 180? Trajaann is no longer a must take, no matter how good his aura is. The name of 9th is abilities. on weapons or on characters, it doesn't matter. If you can put out 13-20 attacks that can explode on 6s, as well as deal MWs, you are king of the beat sticks. If theat is what they are giving Chaos, I can't wait to see what buffs Trajaan gets...

personally, I fear them being broken. Argh. id hate that. I know im not in the strongest playgroup, but its not super bad either, and in our mini meta I am dominating so hard with custodes 8th ed rules. So I dont want a new admech book for us. I want a cool book like sisters was.

Scoundrel80 wrote:
personally, I fear them being broken. Argh. id hate that. I know im not in the strongest playgroup, but its not super bad either, and in our mini meta I am dominating so hard with custodes 8th ed rules. So I dont want a new admech book for us. I want a cool book like sisters was.

Opposite here. I play in a highly competitive, tournament oriented meta. I need this to be Dark Eldar/AdMech/Ork tier because that quality is frequently what I'm staring down.

I totally understand that. but then id rather have those other factions toned down a bit. I feel the game is rapidly moving towards flat 3-4 dam and buckets of die every activation. So you get in position and take tuns deleting stuff. its a bit stale.

that said, I love ninth. id just like to see some stuff being reigned in.

Audustum wrote:

Scoundrel80 wrote:
personally, I fear them being broken. Argh. id hate that. I know im not in the strongest playgroup, but its not super bad either, and in our mini meta I am dominating so hard with custodes 8th ed rules. So I dont want a new admech book for us. I want a cool book like sisters was.

Opposite here. I play in a highly competitive, tournament oriented meta. I need this to be Dark Eldar/AdMech/Ork tier because that quality is frequently what I'm staring down.

So rather than do the correct option and tone down the others GW should make game go even nutty?

Why? Tone down the nutty ones. Don't start spiraling power creep.

tneva82 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Scoundrel80 wrote:
personally, I fear them being broken. Argh. id hate that. I know im not in the strongest playgroup, but its not super bad either, and in our mini meta I am dominating so hard with custodes 8th ed rules. So I dont want a new admech book for us. I want a cool book like sisters was.

Opposite here. I play in a highly competitive, tournament oriented meta. I need this to be Dark Eldar/AdMech/Ork tier because that quality is frequently what I'm staring down.

So rather than do the correct option and tone down the others GW should make game go even nutty?

Why? Tone down the nutty ones. Don't start spiraling power creep.

You know why GW will never do that....

Scoundrel80 wrote:
I totally understand that. but then id rather have those other factions toned down a bit. I feel the game is rapidly moving towards flat 3-4 dam and buckets of die every activation. So you get in position and take tuns deleting stuff. its a bit stale.

that said, I love ninth. id just like to see some stuff being reigned in.

I only stand against this for two reasons:

1. While GW's balancing is lackluster at times, I trust their buffing decisions more than their nerfing decisions. Nerfing tends to send you to the ground.

2. I'd consider Druks/AdMech/Orks a 'fun' level of power and would rather everyone gets brought up there than some shoved down.


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tneva82 wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Scoundrel80 wrote:
personally, I fear them being broken. Argh. id hate that. I know im not in the strongest playgroup, but its not super bad either, and in our mini meta I am dominating so hard with custodes 8th ed rules. So I dont want a new admech book for us. I want a cool book like sisters was.

Opposite here. I play in a highly competitive, tournament oriented meta. I need this to be Dark Eldar/AdMech/Ork tier because that quality is frequently what I'm staring down.

So rather than do the correct option and tone down the others GW should make game go even nutty?

Why? Tone down the nutty ones. Don't start spiraling power creep.

I personally find the current playstyle between these factions enjoyable (such as when Druks fight AdMech, it's a stressful and enjoyable match). Everyone's different (I need one of these Ork emotes on the side to be a shrug).

I'd like a good, but balanced book. That being said,bif it's OP, at least I can use it for revenge. I've barely played since the end of 6th edition, but a couple of people I have played choose op net lists for their highest performing armies. Despite literally going 5 years with the same army list and them changing things with every FAQ, I'm the power gamer, what with my 10 man squads, 40% win rate, and such.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'd like a good, but balanced book. That being said,bif it's OP, at least I can use it for revenge. I've barely played since the end of 6th edition, but a couple of people I have played choose op net lists for their highest performing armies. Despite literally going 5 years with the same army list and them changing things with every FAQ, I'm the power gamer, what with my 10 man squads, 40% win rate, and such.

I feel your pain. I find it's almost always the FoTM and other meta chasers that are so quick to call people out as the very things they are even though a lot of the times its just players who have stayed with their army and basically made things work with what they have, so when the pendulum swings back towards that army, you have enough experience with the army already that you can do a lot better than people who just started playing them and they get hissy when you're actually able to fight back. Projection is the name of the game when it comes to a lot of people who want easy wins.

So this is a major problem with the way our faction is designed in my opinion, and I would welcome a gutting and rebuild. We dance on the wire of OP and Bland crap. Either we are top 3 all shields lists, or all FW lists that are impossible to actually collect.

I would welcome us losing our +1 to Invulns if it means we get an actually diverse play style that doesn't depend on silly 3-4 hundred dollar units, or a list build of all shields and no actual fun gameplay.

If we stray into OPness with D4 axes, and the other madness that has been suggested here, we will just be part of the problem.

Surprised there haven't been more leaks or even "leaks" yet, if you know what I mean...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Surprised there haven't been more leaks or even "leaks" yet, if you know what I mean...

Too early, the leaks will start about 2 weeks before the pre order, so they can build the hype up without having time to enthusiasm to cool.

WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

Tiberias wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

I think it's implied they don't, when the TS and GK boxed set came out they didn't have codices in the baseline box, correct?

 Grimskul wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

I think it's implied they don't, when the TS and GK boxed set came out they didn't have codices in the baseline box, correct?

I think you are right. Well, that's mildly annoying....

Tiberias wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

I think it's implied they don't, when the TS and GK boxed set came out they didn't have codices in the baseline box, correct?

I think you are right. Well, that's mildly annoying....

This wouldn't be a problem if they moved to a digital subscription system for rules...

Audustum wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

I think it's implied they don't, when the TS and GK boxed set came out they didn't have codices in the baseline box, correct?

I think you are right. Well, that's mildly annoying....

This wouldn't be a problem if they moved to a digital subscription system for rules...

Shhh! Are you crazy? You can't suggest logical and useful solutions like that. It's GW we're talking about here.
They are behind a few years on these things...you'll just startle them and then they'll release another primaris lieutenant out of stress reflex!

The problem is that even with a digital subscription service, I can see them getting really greedy and pricing it at absurd monthly levels given how they are pushing Warhammer + at the moment.

 Grimskul wrote:
The problem is that even with a digital subscription service, I can see them getting really greedy and pricing it at absurd monthly levels given how they are pushing Warhammer + at the moment.

I mean... your talking about a company that saw they were selling digital codices for less money then physical books so they raised the price of their digital codices...

 Ordana wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
The problem is that even with a digital subscription service, I can see them getting really greedy and pricing it at absurd monthly levels given how they are pushing Warhammer + at the moment.

I mean... your talking about a company that saw they were selling digital codices for less money then physical books so they raised the price of their digital codices...

And then promptly got rid of them for 9th ed. At least direct sale of digital codices at least.

Because they thought that it would stop piracy.
I guess they never heard of things like "cameras" and "pdfs"....

 Thairne wrote:
Because they thought that it would stop piracy.
I guess they never heard of things like "cameras" and "pdfs"....

I mean they have potato camera leaks of their rulesets so it wouldn't surprise me if they thought everyone still uses old Nokia cellphones lol.

Tiberias wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Tiberias wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
WHC says codex now delayed until "early 2022" due to shipping problems :(

So the Shadowthrone box is still supposed to come out in december. Do the shadowthrone boxes come with a codex or not?

I think it's implied they don't, when the TS and GK boxed set came out they didn't have codices in the baseline box, correct?

I think you are right. Well, that's mildly annoying....

This wouldn't be a problem if they moved to a digital subscription system for rules...

Shhh! Are you crazy? You can't suggest logical and useful solutions like that. It's GW we're talking about here.
They are behind a few years on these things...you'll just startle them and then they'll release another primaris lieutenant out of stress reflex!

Okay, I got a real and genuine laugh out of the 'release another primaris lieutenant' line.


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 Thairne wrote:
Because they thought that it would stop piracy.
I guess they never heard of things like "cameras" and "pdfs"....

My honest opinion is that they stopped them to try to force people to sign up for their app.