Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Well a birdie from the inside told me its really the piracy thing. Piracy was the foremost reason.
And then came the app... which you can tell, is so bad and rushed that it ain't even funny.

But this is hardly custodes tactics talk, so...

With the new delays I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's so blatant at this point. If you don't buy our special box set now (which we have ZERO trouble with shipping on) you'll need to wait until likely March to see your codex. (Which we have difficulty with shipping).

It's times like this I am happy that Battlescribe and Wahapedia exist.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
With the new delays I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's so blatant at this point. If you don't buy our special box set now (which we have ZERO trouble with shipping on) you'll need to wait until likely March to see your codex. (Which we have difficulty with shipping).

It's times like this I am happy that Battlescribe and Wahapedia exist.

the box sets don't have the codex.

i bought hexfire, the TS vs GK one, it did NOT have the codexes, just a small pamphlet with the new narrative rules for the hexfire campaign, nothing for the units themselves.

also, shipping plastic sprue boxes form the UK =/= shipping books printed in china. thats two different supply line on which problems might occour.

so, the box will drop for christmas, but it will drop without our 9th ed rules.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
With the new delays I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's so blatant at this point. If you don't buy our special box set now (which we have ZERO trouble with shipping on) you'll need to wait until likely March to see your codex. (Which we have difficulty with shipping).

It's times like this I am happy that Battlescribe and Wahapedia exist.

the box sets don't have the codex.

i bought hexfire, the TS vs GK one, it did NOT have the codexes, just a small pamphlet with the new narrative rules for the hexfire campaign, nothing for the units themselves.

also, shipping plastic sprue boxes form the UK =/= shipping books printed in china. thats two different supply line on which problems might occour.

so, the box will drop for christmas, but it will drop without our 9th ed rules.

That's even sillier. How then are GSC supposed to actually play their new units? Or Custodes play their new champion? I assume these units will be non-allowable at competitions until said books are released?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
That's even sillier. How then are GSC supposed to actually play their new units? Or Custodes play their new champion? I assume these units will be non-allowable at competitions until said books are released?

*shrug*

clearly, the original plan was to have the codexes out at the same time. It remains to be seen if they push out a "get you by" FAQ/index with statlines and points costs for the two new models or you'll just have to "counts as" a shield cap for a few months.

we'll just have to wait and see.

whats the best 2x telamon list out there right now? im so torn on how to do it.

I sort of want to go:

2 tele
2 gladius

and then 3x2 sagittarum and with Trajan and a bikecap thats all the points basically. But I feel its too thin. can't hold places. Even If I go shield guards over saggitarum I think ill struggle to score primaries and other stuff.

so now im leaning towards

trajan
vex -1 to hit (I hate that I can't fit this in the dread list to babysit the sagittrum)
2x tele
3x3 sagittarum
3x3 guards (2xspear, 1 swordboard. Could be all swordboard, though)

Basically, I just feel its sorough to fit in that second telamon. I have never really played with two and I feel they are not worth it. 40kstats says otherwise, though, so I want to learn the archetype : )

Any tips or comments?

btw: are 2x5 sisters not good artm (guess they crumble to ork flyers)? dont seem to see them that much in meta lists.

Buy the box if you want it. The datasheet for the new units will be included.

All GW models come with a datasheet in their box nowadays.

FW doesnt, but wasnt expecting any FW changes anyway. If we get any updates to FW it will be through an update after the codex drops.

THEY SHOULD include 40k FW custodes datasheets into our 9th codex, but they wont, cause they are greedy gakkers.

Also, what is the best load out for telemons? I see them with arrachnus and fist mostly. sometimes penitent. What about twin arrachnus?

Scoundrel80 wrote:
Also, what is the best load out for telemons? I see them with arrachnus and fist mostly. sometimes penitent. What about twin arrachnus?

never twin arachnus.

The combat threat of the fist is so much considering its a 15pt discount. That and eternal penitent makes them real scary- if they've only got guns, they arent a real threat.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Buy the box if you want it. The datasheet for the new units will be included.

All GW models come with a datasheet in their box nowadays.

FW doesnt, but wasnt expecting any FW changes anyway. If we get any updates to FW it will be through an update after the codex drops.

THEY SHOULD include 40k FW custodes datasheets into our 9th codex, but they wont, cause they are greedy gakkers.

The inbox data sheets are usually invalidated in the first month, or round of day one changes. Honestly, who even goes by those?

As for FW I think this will be a very "telling" codex. We are the sole faction in the game where the literal majority of our units are FW, or non-codex units such as "Valarian and Aleya".

If they actually decide to make the book FW exclusionary, that would be a major F You to the player base, not to mention the Competitive side of the house.

I think they have to bend the knee on allowing us a FW update in the book. Or at the very least a day 1 FW CA pamphlet that goes with the book.

I'm sorry but there will be no forgeworld model datasheets in our new codex - that's just not how it works.

Would it be nice if it did? yes, obviously.

Forgeworld models are not for sale in GW shops or on the GW website, they will not be listed or likely even pictured in our codex.

It is stupid but it's also how their business model works.

I suspect we will get an FAQ update to the FW rules if something is totally out of whack but don't waste your time wishlisting for FW in the codex.

Then can we safely assume the box set is worthless until the codex comes out?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Then can we safely assume the box set is worthless until the codex comes out?

Well unless you are just starting out and have a buddy who wants to start GSC to share the box. Or unless you really, really like the new blade champion model and want to have it as soon as possible.....yeah, not worth it imo.

The box may be not worth it, but it's certainly not worthless. The models and the rules are separate. Some people enjoy the new models and may get them for the purpose of collecting/painting and won't care about the rules.

I hate to say this, but the lack of "leaks" is concerning. Every day when (Insert Space Marine or Ork group here) were being released it was another Teased rule release, oh look at what these new Commandos/Gravis guys can do! This new rule should be fun for you to implement!

Honestly, the only reason I want to see a codex is to see if they add any new Sub Factions to Custodes, so I can begin working on new paint schemes.

Yeah... I'm also getting a bit worried about the lack of leaks. Ugh. I really hope we don't get pushed back :-(

again, with the GK/TS release, we got almost no infomation right up until a week or two before pre-orders went live. assuming GW have their internal security up to scratch, i would expect the same, with a burst of new articles about us and the GSC, followed rapidly by the pre-orders of the new codex. we might get a few leaks when the box set drops but basically GW will start the hype train when they want to, to maximise hype for the launch.

What hype? Custodes/GSC are easily the least looked forward to release of 9th. There are more Custodes players now because they are top 10, but still. It's not like they are Astartes or a completely fresh rebuild of Eldar/Harly.

I understand business needs to make business decisions but this is baffling. Only GW does this. Every other major media corp can't wait to start showing off their deals right now for black Friday. You don't maximize sales or interest by revealing the things able to be bought AFTER the buyer stampede. The hottest time to sell this crap is RIGHT NOW. November 1st-December 25th. After that everyone is either broke, or saving up after blowing all the money on Christmas. But GW is like, no, we are gonna delay EVERY tid bit of possible sales boosting info until "early 2022" which likely means March. When Nobody is buying.

Seriously? thats a truly crazy analysis, Imo, in regards to a company who has just tripled income and stock value in a year, basically. its a bit lower now, but id say they have their strategy dialed in.

also, why would you say cut/gsc is the least expected book of the year? or do you just mean its the one you expect the least? because id say custodes is super popular and gsc is a nice, cool niche faction that everybody I know loves to see get some love. So.. whats your point? except from your usual agenda of random James Workshop hate.

Scoundrel80 wrote:
Seriously? thats a truly crazy analysis, Imo, in regards to a company who has just tripled income and stock value in a year, basically. its a bit lower now, but id say they have their strategy dialed in.

also, why would you say cut/gsc is the least expected book of the year? or do you just mean its the one you expect the least? because id say custodes is super popular and gsc is a nice, cool niche faction that everybody I know loves to see get some love. So.. whats your point? except from your usual agenda of random James Workshop hate.

Custodes was so popular on its initial release GW struggled to meet orders if I recall correctly and that was before supply issues, COVID and BREXIT. So yeah, I'd agree we're fairly popular.

I'd also agree that they're super good about controlling leaks though so we won't see anything for awhile.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
What hype? Custodes/GSC are easily the least looked forward to release of 9th. There are more Custodes players now because they are top 10, but still. It's not like they are Astartes or a completely fresh rebuild of Eldar/Harly.

I understand business needs to make business decisions but this is baffling. Only GW does this. Every other major media corp can't wait to start showing off their deals right now for black Friday. You don't maximize sales or interest by revealing the things able to be bought AFTER the buyer stampede. The hottest time to sell this crap is RIGHT NOW. November 1st-December 25th. After that everyone is either broke, or saving up after blowing all the money on Christmas. But GW is like, no, we are gonna delay EVERY tid bit of possible sales boosting info until "early 2022" which likely means March. When Nobody is buying.

Why would they advertise deals now for a product they physically, literally cannot get into customers hands until next year? thats just going to lead to people getting bored of waiting and wanting to cancel pre-orders. much better to tell them that its not happening, and let them spend the money they were primed to give you on another of your products. Speaking of which, their are not pushing Custodes right now, because they are pushing something else right now, namely Black Templars, which are the Current New Hotness(tm). They want you to spend that black Friday money on those guys, or one of the big army deal box sets, or on the new AOS stuff, or anything really. It doesn't matter too much which plastic crack you buy.

If youre a pure custodes player, with no intrest in the rest of GW's offerings...then it doesnt matter when you buy the codex, because custodes players are pretty much guaranteed to buy the codex when its released, no matter what time of year it is. So, no need to time it to the "cash-happy" periods of the year.

Also, GW, having limited production capability (in an absolute sense of "unable to just magic products out of thin air on demand", rather than anything pandemic related), spread their releases out over the year. SOMEONE is always going to get releases in the "low" points of the calendar. Why not us? For whatever logistical reason, they cant get the codexes out by christmas, so they replan, slot it into the release schedule where they ARE able to ship it, and move on.

Hey folks,

tomorrow I'll have a friendly competitive match. Possible opponents are DG, Sisters, Drukhari, Nids, Crons, IG. I need to bring a more or less TAC list, but I also want to retire the 8th ed codex with a stylish bang. Would you please help me choose? First is a 4 dread of my own second is the gameology custodes list.

List A - 4 dreads
SK Patrol
Allarus capt, lockwarden, stasis oubliette
Strategic mastermind SC
Barebones inquisitor psyker
2x4 shield guard
2 eternal penitent galatus
2 eternal penitent telemon
Pallas
5 venatari

List B - Gameology
SK Patrol
2 SC on bike (1 tanky, 1 semi tanky)
3 shield guard
Magnifica vexilla
2x3 Venatari
2 eternal penitent telemon
ARES

What is the point of taking a flag in the second list? It can't keep up with anything but the Shieldy bois and will be mostly useless for the game if it's just guarding the back field.

The pallas in the first list also serves no real purpose. A unit of 5 Venetari will get mulched pretty quickly, better to drop the pallas and get two squads of 3. Also, 2x4 shield guard? Ask yourself what do you see them doing? Thats a lot to pay for some back field objectives. I'd say list two, but that's just me.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
What is the point of taking a flag in the second list? It can't keep up with anything but the Shieldy bois and will be mostly useless for the game if it's just guarding the back field.

The pallas in the first list also serves no real purpose. A unit of 5 Venetari will get mulched pretty quickly, better to drop the pallas and get two squads of 3. Also, 2x4 shield guard? Ask yourself what do you see them doing? Thats a lot to pay for some back field objectives. I'd say list two, but that's just me.

The ARES is so physically big and has such huge range you can generally park a flag next to it and not have an issue. Goonhammer noted the sheer durability the combo gives the ARES.

The Ares is a floating BB. It's not weak to shooting, it's weak to massed melee death squads. Any good melee elite unit can down one or at least lock it into melee for almost zero cost. And then the entire time it's earning you zero value. A squad of wytches can drop it to it's lowest bracket in a single turn. Don't fall for it. It's a 500pt distraction carnifex.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The Ares is a floating BB. It's not weak to shooting, it's weak to massed melee death squads. Any good melee elite unit can down one or at least lock it into melee for almost zero cost. And then the entire time it's earning you zero value. A squad of wytches can drop it to it's lowest bracket in a single turn. Don't fall for it. It's a 500pt distraction carnifex.

The Ares is an 'Aircraft'.
Unless its hovering, you'd be hard pressed to try and charge it.

I want to start a nid army more fun than compeditive
i have custodes gard and daro angels alredy i would like more monster mash type one unit of give guard centered on a dimacharon
Any list help

KGYM wrote:
Hey folks,

tomorrow I'll have a friendly competitive match. Possible opponents are DG, Sisters, Drukhari, Nids, Crons, IG. I need to bring a more or less TAC list, but I also want to retire the 8th ed codex with a stylish bang. Would you please help me choose? First is a 4 dread of my own second is the gameology custodes list.

List A - 4 dreads
SK Patrol
Allarus capt, lockwarden, stasis oubliette
Strategic mastermind SC
Barebones inquisitor psyker
2x4 shield guard
2 eternal penitent galatus
2 eternal penitent telemon
Pallas
5 venatari

List B - Gameology
SK Patrol
2 SC on bike (1 tanky, 1 semi tanky)
3 shield guard
Magnifica vexilla
2x3 Venatari
2 eternal penitent telemon
ARES

I like list 1 but it swop to 2x3 guards as bulgryn says and probably cut the inquisitor too even though I feel he's pretty neat tech. id swoop the pallas for infantry too. thing is, when you run 2x galatus and 2x telemon (which I love) you want them to do work and in my games, in order to get the most out of my telemons they need to deal dam in melee too. So they rarely hold the backline late game very often and therefore I need more guys.

also, Trajan is just so good. dont you miss him? : )

list 2 look pretty cool too, actually. not happy with the ares in general, though.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/25/troops-are-better-than-ever-how-the-next-three-codexes-improve-your-units/


Some new rules.
Spears went to str 7 and d2
Sword Str 6 and d2
I dont know what i should think…

Gesundheit wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/25/troops-are-better-than-ever-how-the-next-three-codexes-improve-your-units/


Some new rules.
Spears went to str 7 and d2
Sword Str 6 and d2
I dont know what i should think…

I know what i think why would i ever take a spear? it only gives +1 S

but every custodian has at least Ld 11 thats pretty good.