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2018/04/22 05:45:40
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Custodes Guard are 52 for spears. 59 for sword and board.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2018/04/22 05:46:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I used BattleScribe. The main problem with your mathammer is it is in a vacuum. For example no one would run 10 Guardians except mebbe for narrative play. Are you casual?
Uh no it isn't. 4 Custodes is still less than 3 Terminators.
10 vs 6
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/22 05:50:20
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Well no one runs terminators unless they are in a casual meta, sooo...
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2018/04/22 05:55:55
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/22 06:48:05
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Yeah, even I was skeptical of the Allarus Terminators, but they are quickly turning into my powerhouse unit.
I usually drop them in 2nd turn using the stratagem on an Allarus Vexilla bearer - allowing you to deploy up to 3" from an enemy this way is fantastic for easy charges, and and fitting one 40mm base into a rediculously small spot for the stratagem is hilarious. Their axes means anything T4 is wounded on a 2+ and D3 damage is good for 2W elite infantry.
I must admit, even their Grenade launchers are effective - S4 is enough to wound the vast majority of infantry on either a 3+ or 4+ which isn't the best, but - 3AP is great for forcing failed armour saves.
A seriously good unit that is criminally underrated to the fast boy praetors...
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2018/04/22 07:36:45
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Primark G wrote: I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Two local RTT tournaments and a local league.
So casual meta.
I own some Terminators, like the Terminators and understand that they are not as competitive as bikes. But Terminators are cool, which is why I made ten Fulmentarii for my HH UM.
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warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2018/04/22 14:27:47
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Primark G wrote: I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Two local RTT tournaments and a local league.
So casual meta.
I own some Terminators, like the Terminators and understand that they are not as competitive as bikes. But Terminators are cool, which is why I made ten Fulmentarii for my HH UM.
Anyone can claim they've won every local tournament ever put on and there's totes 100 tournaments a day. But, really, pics or it didn't happen.
2018/04/22 14:32:13
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Primark G wrote: I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Two local RTT tournaments and a local league.
So casual meta.
I own some Terminators, like the Terminators and understand that they are not as competitive as bikes. But Terminators are cool, which is why I made ten Fulmentarii for my HH UM.
This thread is basically all about how great are jetbikes and the only units you should take - that’s why there’s not much tactical discussion.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/22 16:20:46
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Primark G wrote: I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Two local RTT tournaments and a local league.
So casual meta.
I own some Terminators, like the Terminators and understand that they are not as competitive as bikes. But Terminators are cool, which is why I made ten Fulmentarii for my HH UM.
This thread is basically all about how great are jetbikes and the only units you should take - that’s why there’s not much tactical discussion.
The issue is, even in a non-competitive setting, Terminators aren't filling much of a purpose I can't just get elsewhere.
I mean people aren't hating much else in the Codex so...
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2018/04/22 16:29:21
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Primark G wrote: I have won two tournaments and a league with them.
Well, your flag indicates US.
So, you're one of the 7 other people in the ITC who has 3 logged events as Custodes?
Or one of the 15 with two?
Heck, even with two you'd be one of the two people (including myself, score not yet showing) with two tournament wins out of their 4 total recorded with them while having over 100 points.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/23 03:29:30
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Played a game today with my bike custodes, wanted to see how my GK worked as a psychic shield. Of course my opponent ended up playing Tau, so...
My list:
1x Shield captain - 3++ and victor of the blood games
3x 5-man praetors (4 salvo launchers)
1x Vexilla (magnfica)
Voldus
1x 5-man strike squad
He had about 6 5-man firewarrior squads, 3 pathfinder squads, 3 broadsides, a riptide, 2 ghostkeels, a stealth squad and 3 commander suits (don't think he was up on his FAQs). 4 squads of drones too.
Outrider (custodes) and a patrol (GK). Played a progressive scoring chapter approved mission with 3 objectives in the center, frontline assault deployment. I went first, wiped out most of his pathfinders and firewarriors, no charges. One of my squads was out of vexilla range, so he wiped that one with his entire army T1 (re-roll all hits warlord trait), as well as 2 bikes from another squad. Got some charges T2, killed the ghostkeels and a commander suit. Next turn he shot some more stuff, I made some more charges and killed another commander suit. Turn 4 my last bike got smoked on overwatch and my commander got wiped. Ironically the game was won by my GK allies; Voldus gated around the table and survived until the game ended (and he had achieved zero objectives to my 6 points, plus first blood and warlord). Overall I rolled pretty terribly on my saves (I think I made 3 4++ the entire game, and my captain made one 3++), and the multi-damage weapons hurt. My target priority wasn't the greatest either. That said, looking afterwards I think he messed up a few of his rules and I couldn't really call him on it since I didn't know them at the time.
A couple takeaways (nothing that we didn't already know though):
The vexilla magnifica is worth it. I give mine a storm shield and he is an extremely durable objective holder once the bikes outrun him.
Tau overwatch is brutal. I lost entirely too many bikes to it, including the previously mentioned vexilla when he charged a commander with fusion guns. In hindsight I actually wondered if I should have just sat on objectives and daisy-chained to the vexilla.
With the beta rules "rule of 3", my previous statements on this forum regarding normal bikes vs shield captains are basically moot: you can't MSU with nromal bikes anymore. Fortunately I can get another shield captain in the list by dropping the salvo launchers and upgrading a normal biker. The ideal bike list would have 3 captains and 3 bike squads.
My allies cost 3 bikes (297 pts). If I had 3 more bikes I would have tabled my opponent.
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2018/04/23 03:41:52
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Sounds like my last battle, except vs IG and I lost by tabling on turn 6. Miles ahead on objectives but Draigo failed 4 2+ invulns and got battlecannoned.
Im noticing a bit of a pattern. Custodes have nothing to deal with those hard shooty targets at range and so all your nasty units are dead by turn 2. T6 and a 4++ isnt quite tough enough. At codex release I was worried about mortal wounds but the meta has shifted heavily since then. I dont wanna have to ally in some big guns to do the heavy lifting, but its looking inevitable.
2018/04/23 03:50:48
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/24 18:38:04
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Alrighty, looking for some opinion. Planning for an upcoming 1000 pt team tourney. My teammate is playing Armored Guard. 3 Lemans, a Tank Commander, etc. The two lists I am down to are as follows:
For 1k, I would actually go with all bikes, their hurricane bolters provide anti-infantry firepower the tanks don’t. While the grav tank is nice, it doesn’t give you a lot the AM tanks don’t and having an extra unit to tie up big units is good. Plus, your bikes will all be obsec and his leman russes will be too if he takes a spearhead.
Edit: And I'm not just saying this as part of team bike, it's just that everything you want to use the infantry for your ally can do better and cheaper with guardsmen. Bikes bring speed and melee, 2 things AM does not.
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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
2018/04/25 04:26:57
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/25 19:03:43
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So couple of questions from the noob:
1. What do you think of the lists?
2. Are IG basically mandatory as CP batteries for Custodes? (Not complaining, gives me an excuse to field my renegade guard)
3. Spears or SS? Everyone keeps saying Spears are better but I'd think having a 3++ for an objective holding unit would be pretty good.
4. Hurricane bolters or Salvo? Salvo seemed like the bad choice because it's basically an expensive melta with an anti-air option but the lack of any high strength, high AP, high damage weapons in this army makes it more appealing than it would be in say; C:CSM.
5. Are Misericordia an auto-include or just something extra if you have the points?
6. Any other advice or tips for this army?
Cheers.
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2018/04/25 19:26:37
Subject: Re:Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
So couple of questions from the noob:
1. What do you think of the lists?
2. Are IG basically mandatory as CP batteries for Custodes? (Not complaining, gives me an excuse to field my renegade guard)
3. Spears or SS? Everyone keeps saying Spears are better but I'd think having a 3++ for an objective holding unit would be pretty good.
4. Hurricane bolters or Salvo? Salvo seemed like the bad choice because it's basically an expensive melta with an anti-air option but the lack of any high strength, high AP, high damage weapons in this army makes it more appealing than it would be in say; C:CSM.
5. Are Misericordia an auto-include or just something extra if you have the points?
6. Any other advice or tips for this army?
Cheers.
1. I like the 1k list, but there's a bit too much fat in the 2k one. Somewhere in the 40's (pg. numbers) I think, we did multiple pages of heavy math that revealed except for a few edge cases the bikes always outperform the Allarus. Now, the rule of 3 stops you from taking more units of bikes, but you could always put more bikes in each unit (they can go up to 10). That said, I'd ditch the Allarus in favor of an Achillus-Dreadnought or a Caladius Grav-Tank, both of which would help you plug your range anti-armor hole rather than add on yet more melee.
The Vexila is great. I usually recommend putting him in regular armor though so he can take a Castellan Axe, which is just so much better than being stuck with a Misericordia only.
2. IG specifically aren't, but some ally seems to be. In my experience, Adeptus Mechanicus makes a stellar ally who contributes CP and anti-tank shooting. Some people also use Blood Angels though I don't know if the beta rules would change that (Cephalobeard would).
3. I personally S+B everyone up when I use them, but the major point folks level against that is it's too pricey. 3 S+B Guardians is like 177 points. That's a lot to just leave on an objective with only pistol shooting. Most consensus is that 1 S+B and 2 Spears is the optimal balance and gives flexibility.
4. Hurricanes all the way. Due to the volume of fire Salvo's are only a marginal damage improvement over Hurricanes even against their intended vehicle targets. Hurricanes are better for basically everything else. Don't forget the bikes can Fly and have S6 re-rolling to Wound on the charge too. Any vehicle they can get their hands on is going on the pain train.
5. Something you fill in using extra points.
6. Victor of the Blood games is phenomenal and you can use it multiple times. Don't be afraid to put it on multiple Characters. For Warlord traits, we usually take Superior Creation or Radiant Mantle unless you're fighting Thousand Sons or something like that.
2018/04/25 19:54:00
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
If you are going to run IG work some mortars in the list.
Allarus do just fine and have the best strategems in general.
2. Are IG basically mandatory as CP batteries for Custodes? (Not complaining, gives me an excuse to field my renegade guard)
Not really. Admech is a solid choice since it can provide long range tank busting fire power. I am doing okay with SM.
3. Spears or SS? Everyone keeps saying Spears are better but I'd think having a 3++ for an objective holding unit would be pretty good.
I think spears are way better in melee.
4. Hurricane bolters or Salvo? Salvo seemed like the bad choice because it's basically an expensive melta with an anti-air option but the lack of any high strength, high AP, high damage weapons in this army makes it more appealing than it would be in say; C:CSM.
I would just go HB. Get some heavy weapons via your ally.
5. Are Misericordia an auto-include or just something extra if you have the points?
Just if you have some extra points.
6. Any other advice or tips for this army?
Practice a lot.
Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough.
2018/04/25 19:56:07
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
1. So the Custodes Terminators are just as bad as everyone else's? Even to just bring in some flexibility with deepstriking units?
@Primark Are mortars really that necessary with all of them bolters flying about?
3. I didn't know you could mix the unit loadouts.
4. Good point, bolters all the way it is!
6. @JNA Are they really that bad? I thought the aura would be quite good on 10 man squads. Would a Company Commander be better than a Commissar?
@Audustum Seems expensive at 2CP a pop...
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Ghorros wrote: The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote: All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
2018/04/25 19:57:44
Subject: Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone
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