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Any other grey knights players salty about the Custodes rules? There stuff is most comparable to our paladins, to which the Custodes are more powerful for cheaper.

Grey Knights was an over-correction for sure, but you're also not supposed to use Grey Knights as a stand-alone army.

If it bothers you just use them as counts-as Custodes.

They even wear Gold instead of Silver!

 Galas wrote:
They even wear Gold instead of Silver!

Proof that TTS-verse is leaking into Canon!

as someone with a Grey Knights army I'm a little salty but at the same time I was gonna make a custodes army anyway so there's that at least.

I don’t think it should bother any Imperium player... the soup just got a lot more meaty.

Not really. I had a mostly GK Terminator army well before it was cool. Now I have a silver Space Janitor army and a small handful of GK strikes to show up with them.

The wheel keeps turning.

I remember before Matt Award when GK were an absolute joke. They are still viable but not top tier now.

If you are going to be salty about anything I would be salty about my Thousand Sons getting 18 powers, while you guys have 6 and nerf smite on your characters. Grey Knights need at least one more set of 6 powers, and HQ with real smite.

As a "GK player" whose army has been almost entirely shelved for some years now the Custodes annoy me a lot less than any GK rules that have come out ever. The fact that the Custodes are running around 'doing the Grey Knights' job better' is fine for them; there are plenty of armies with overlap where one is just better than the other (literally nothing about Corsairs is anything other than playing Dark Eldar badly).

What annoys me is that GW persistently refuses to write GK properly, instead preferring to entrench themselves in incredibly stupid positions ("This one unit needs to be stretched to an entire army by giving it enough minor variations in stats that we can claim it's actually six units!" "Every unit absolutely needs to have full psyker rules used in the psychic phase like an HQ psyker!" "Every model must have a literal force weapon!" "No, we don't need any multi-damage ranged weapons in 8th, we'll be fine!" "One Attack is totally fine for a unit that's paying 20pts/model minimum for expensive melee weapons!").

We don't need the Custodes to go die in a fire as punishment for daring to steal the shiny spotlight, or Primaris Grey Knights to come along and render the old stuff redundant. What we need is for the word "force" to disappear from Nemesis weapons so they can be toned down until Grey Knights don't start at 20pts/model, Brotherhood of Psykers to f*** off and get replaced with something less useless (the Shrouding, for instance), and possibly a ranged arsenal that's larger/more versatile than four different ways to kill infantry.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
...but you're also not supposed to use Grey Knights as a stand-alone army.

According to...?

All of their fluff, and lore?

Grey Knights should get a strategem that lets you summon back anything killed by a Custodes model the previous turn.

If grey knights are the elite of the elite why do they have 1 attack on their guys?

copy and paste lol

If grey knights had 2,3 on the sarge their cost would be easier to swallow.

Custodes can do the same thing, just let me do it with more bodies.
Can they even justify the points for a paladin now with a custodian doing it better for the same?

But i always thought terminators of all flavors were overpriced

 Elbows wrote:
All of their fluff, and lore?

Their fluff and lore have them operating completely independent of other Imperial forces, so much so that any interaction leads to mass deaths and/or mind wipes for the non-GK forces. GK are so tuned to stand alone and self support, they send a single Squad to handle a Company’s workload. Just because GK were a support faction in 1e-4e does not mean that 5e did not change them in to a stand alone army that has existed fine through 6e and 7e until now. There is nothing in the current 8e codex that states that GK require other forces to operate.

SJ

I'll be god honest, idk why gk players even attempt to field their army anymore, they have just got drug over the coals constantly.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I'll be god honest, idk why gk players even attempt to field their army anymore, they have just got drug over the coals constantly.

Best Grey Knights player.

People think it matters. Of course when you're one of 3 GK players at an event who really cares?

 Marmatag wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I'll be god honest, idk why gk players even attempt to field their army anymore, they have just got drug over the coals constantly.

Best Grey Knights player.

People think it matters. Of course when you're one of 3 GK players at an event who really cares?

How many grey knights players do you think will be at LVO?

What happens if zero show up? lol

Grey Knights has been replaced, just like old marines has been replaced by Primaris Marines. And just like old marines, Grey Knights were not removed from the game, but has been allowed to soldier on with old models and mediocre rules, until the day comes, where GK can be cut without too much of an angry response from the customer base. It is called being squatted by gradual decay. Cheers.

All it takes is a plurality of points be point into GK to qualify as a GK army at the LVO. So if you have 3 GMDK @800 pts and 2 600 pt detachments of anything (including 2 of the same faction) you're a GK army.

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I'll be god honest, idk why gk players even attempt to field their army anymore, they have just got drug over the coals constantly.

Best Grey Knights player.

People think it matters. Of course when you're one of 3 GK players at an event who really cares?

How many grey knights players do you think will be at LVO?

What happens if zero show up? lol

Someone will, just because "Best GK" is going to be pretty easy with nobody else using them.

This is a fun thread.

On the contrary it gives me hope that the next GK codex will actually be good. I keep banging this drum but the GK codex was probably rushed and wasn't able to be changed before release so I don't really feel put out because it's not a real update like thenlater codexes, just the index with stratagems dumped on top.

This whole thing sounds like "Sister of Battle Problems"

Seriously though, it blows getting a crappy update. Going from one of the best armies to "trash tier" is the worst.

 Mmmpi wrote:
This whole thing sounds like "Sister of Battle Problems"

Seriously though, it blows getting a crappy update. Going from one of the best armies to "trash tier" is the worst.

Uh, grey Knights have been trash since after 5th

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Grey Knights was an over-correction for sure, but you're also not supposed to use Grey Knights as a stand-alone army.

then what is the point for the GK army to even exists?
ANY army that has a codex is ment to be able to played whitout any other mixin from other armies.

personly i am allways looking for an elite 3 wound model army but 8th aint designed for elite armys sadly, so it dont relay matters that they dont fix GK int his edition.

They should be salty grey knights got screwed with a bad codex. This is just insult to injury.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Grey Knights was an over-correction for sure, but you're also not supposed to use Grey Knights as a stand-alone army.

then what is the point for the GK army to even exists?
ANY army that has a codex is ment to be able to played whitout any other mixin from other armies.

personly i am allways looking for an elite 3 wound model army but 8th aint designed for elite armys sadly, so it dont relay matters that they dont fix GK int his edition.

If you were playing 'true to the fluff', then you would make a 500-1000 pt detachment of Grey Knights from the Codex and field it alongside some other Imperial detachment. The Codex gives you lots of options to create variety, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should field 3000 pts of Grey Knights. The beauty of the hobby is you can do what you like (so you can field 3000pts of GK if you like), but people like playing against fluffy armies because it makes the game feel more embedded in the wider story of 40k.

I know from first hand experience - my army is half GK, half inquisitorial stormtroopers*, and people always get excited by how fluffy that is.

*I'm not trying to claim bragging rights - in fact, I just made the army that way because the 3rd ed daemonhunters codex told me to do it, and it was cheaper than an army of metal Grey Knights!

 corpuschain wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Grey Knights was an over-correction for sure, but you're also not supposed to use Grey Knights as a stand-alone army.

then what is the point for the GK army to even exists?
ANY army that has a codex is ment to be able to played whitout any other mixin from other armies.

personly i am allways looking for an elite 3 wound model army but 8th aint designed for elite armys sadly, so it dont relay matters that they dont fix GK int his edition.

If you were playing 'true to the fluff', then you would make a 500-1000 pt detachment of Grey Knights from the Codex and field it alongside some other Imperial detachment. The Codex gives you lots of options to create variety, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should field 3000 pts of Grey Knights. The beauty of the hobby is you can do what you like (so you can field 3000pts of GK if you like), but people like playing against fluffy armies because it makes the game feel more embedded in the wider story of 40k.

I know from first hand experience - my army is half GK, half inquisitorial stormtroopers*, and people always get excited by how fluffy that is.

*I'm not trying to claim bragging rights - in fact, I just made the army that way because the 3rd ed daemonhunters codex told me to do it, and it was cheaper than an army of metal Grey Knights!

No Grey Knight player would complain if they gave us our Inquisition back, or even renamed us to “Daemonhunters” again. I personally would love it.

Custodes sure feel like 5th edition Grey Knights. GK need a rework to find their place somewhere between custodes and deathwing. I think additional powers like TS might be the solution, plus fine tuning.