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BrianDavion wrote:
at the end of the day what grey knights NEED is an 8.5 codex

This.

The psybolt ammunition stratgem seems pretty powerfull though. I run a single GK terminator unit in my Inquisition list and they rake up quite the scary shooting and close combat. Overall GK need to get stronger but not neccesarily cheaper. They should cost more points wise then a marine but less then a Custodes. I think they would stand to benefit from being mashed togheter with the Inquisition. Give them some cheap Militarum Temptestus variant Troop choice and be done with it.

Would love to see a codex: Inquisition again... But with grey knights, sisters, and the Inquisition. They can share keywords down to Inquisition, and then split off with specific ordo. Or, I would like to see Inquisition develop a rule that allows them to join an army and not mess up their detachment keyword.

As above, psybolts can be good. I like to take a ten man strike squad for that.. 40 str 5 ap-1 shots. If next to a Grand Master they reroll 1. However 2 cp means about one use per battle. Should it be 2? I don't know. I've chewed up some tough units like this.

If you're going to spring for a Grand Master might as well use Draigo instead. Then you get to reroll all misses not just 1s.

 Smotejob wrote:
Would love to see a codex: Inquisition again... But with grey knights, sisters, and the Inquisition.

Do not want.
Sisters don't have anything to do with silver marines and black with silver shoulderpad marines.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:
Would love to see a codex: Inquisition again... But with grey knights, sisters, and the Inquisition.

Do not want.
Sisters don't have anything to do with silver marines and black with silver shoulderpad marines.

It's about consolidating Inquisition and the forces they employ into one book. Iron Hands don't interact with Black Templars ya know.

It is pipe dream at best.

 Primark G wrote:
It is pipe dream at best.

Yeah, not happening at this point. You will almost certainly get Imperial Agents 8th Edition, but you won't have Grey Knights, Deathwatch or Sisters in it because GW's 40k website lists them all as separate factions.

pismakron wrote:
Grey Knights has been replaced, just like old marines has been replaced by Primaris Marines. And just like old marines, Grey Knights were not removed from the game, but has been allowed to soldier on with old models and mediocre rules, until the day comes, where GK can be cut without too much of an angry response from the customer base. It is called being squatted by gradual decay. Cheers.

Gradual decay? Yeah, sometimes it seems to me that no matter what, Nurgle wins WH40k.

Grey knights are supposed to stop that! Noooo. If only we had the power to stop it.

 Smotejob wrote:
Grey knights are supposed to stop that! Noooo. If only we had the power to stop it.

Exalted. Hopefully GK get rebalanced as more changes happen. Right now Daemons aren’t even a good matchup, and that’s a shame. It shouldn’t be an auto-win, but you should have an advantage not cancelled out by the stratagem and Daemon’s power level.

I'm not saying it should be Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock, but GK should have a distinct advantage over Daemons. Daemons should have distinct advantages over certain other armies, etc. ond so on, and so on. And there should be several choices for players that want a more well-rounded army to play. This is where the argument that competitive play is ruining 40k comes in. If you're in a Tourney, that should be the luck of the draw. If I'm playing Demons, do I have to play the GK player before someone else takes him out in a Round-Robin? It's just their thing, you know?

If you force play-balance for the sake of tournament-style play, you sacrifice variety and what makes units/forces special. I'm not saying one way is better or worse, just that it's really hard to do both. Not many games do this well, even ones based on scalable d10 or d20 core mechanics.

No that's dumb, if you want fluff on tabletop make each GK have the stats of a GMDK. We had GK anti-Daemon dominance with warp quake and by all accounts... it wasn't fun.

Fluff has little impact on balance.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's about consolidating Inquisition and the forces they employ into one book.

So you mean Codex Inquisitors + Astra Miliatarum + Space Marines + Sisters of Battle + Assassins + Adeptus Mechanicus?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Iron Hands don't interact with Black Templars ya know.

What?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's about consolidating Inquisition and the forces they employ into one book.

So you mean Codex Inquisitors + Astra Miliatarum + Space Marines + Sisters of Battle + Assassins + Adeptus Mechanicus?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Iron Hands don't interact with Black Templars ya know.

What?

Last statement isn't hard to grasp.

I was more along the lines of Storm Troopers, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Sisters, Assassins, and the basic Inquisition stuff.
Separate the Knights/Watch/Sisters accordingly, and voila. Just like when Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunters were Codices, except in one book in separate sections.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's about consolidating Inquisition and the forces they employ into one book.

So you mean Codex Inquisitors + Astra Miliatarum + Space Marines + Sisters of Battle + Assassins + Adeptus Mechanicus?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Iron Hands don't interact with Black Templars ya know.

What?

Last statement isn't hard to grasp.

I was more along the lines of Storm Troopers, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, Sisters, Assassins, and the basic Inquisition stuff.
Separate the Knights/Watch/Sisters accordingly, and voila. Just like when Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunters were Codices, except in one book in separate sections.

But then GW won’t be able to sell us 6 separate books to cover those 3 armies, which is why that will never happen.

SJ