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What about models like Tau Ethereal on a hover drone? Would I need to put him on a smaller base if not on the drone? Ca't seem to locate the rule myself. Is it that sort of specific?

I don't see how rebasing makes sense. My FLGS was having a Shadow War Armageddon league going and I asked if I could use my old terminator on a 25mm base. I was told that wouldn't be a problem. Then they saw the actual model and told me "No" because it was too small compared to everyone else's models. I expected that reaction so I wasn't put off but just putting my Termie on a bigger base wouldn't have solved any of the shooting problems.

Thinking about it a bit more I think making it a requirement is pretty lame, but for the sake of uniformity in tournaments I get it.

As mentioned, for those who are concerned about cost, there are super cheap options available on eBay and elsewhere. Doesn't make it any less lame, I understand, but if money is a concern it shouldn't cost more than like $20 U.S. to rebase over a hundred models.

Appropriate base sizes will be enforced at AdeptiCon, for those keeping track of events going this direction with base size. It's been well over a year since Space Marines were put on 32mm bases, and you only have to update the ones you're bringing to a tournament (not your whole collection).

If 8th edition wasn't "aurahammer", and if CC rules weren't what they are, then mounting things on a specific base wouldn't matter as much. As it is, models on 25mm bases can get 3 ranks into a fight, where models on 32mm bases can only get 2 ranks in, models on 25mm bases can deepstrike into smaller areas, models inappropriately modeled onto 32mm bases (say, 'gaunts, for example) can screen and daisy-chain for buffs far more effectively than if they were on their proper 25mm's, etc.

DCannon4Life wrote:
Appropriate base sizes will be enforced at AdeptiCon, for those keeping track of events going this direction with base size. It's been well over a year since Space Marines were put on 32mm bases, and you only have to update the ones you're bringing to a tournament (not your whole collection).

Show me in the rules where it says they have to be on 32mm bases.

40k is not WMH, and as much as it wants to be in many respects it does not list anywhere in a model's profile what size base it should be on unlike WMH, Malifaux, Infinity etc.

Correct base size is based on 'Whatever base size the model is presently sold with.'

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Correct base size is based on 'Whatever base size the model is presently sold with.'

*Citation needed.

DCannon4Life wrote:
Appropriate base sizes will be enforced at AdeptiCon, for those keeping track of events going this direction with base size. It's been well over a year since Space Marines were put on 32mm bases, and you only have to update the ones you're bringing to a tournament (not your whole collection).

If 8th edition wasn't "aurahammer", and if CC rules weren't what they are, then mounting things on a specific base wouldn't matter as much. As it is, models on 25mm bases can get 3 ranks into a fight, where models on 32mm bases can only get 2 ranks in, models on 25mm bases can deepstrike into smaller areas, models inappropriately modeled onto 32mm bases (say, 'gaunts, for example) can screen and daisy-chain for buffs far more effectively than if they were on their proper 25mm's, etc.

Models on 25mm bases can have 4 ranks into a battle, actually.
The first two models are within 1" of an enemy model, the third one is within an inch from the first one, and the fourth one is within an inch of the second one.

 Grimtuff wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Correct base size is based on 'Whatever base size the model is presently sold with.'

*Citation needed.

Actually, assuming that he is speaking for Adepticon, the citation is that TOs can make and enforce any house rule that they want. They can say that no model that has red on it is allowed to be played and that would be the final word on the matter.

You are free to disagree with this "rule" but that's the way it is. If you don't like an event's rule tell the EO that that is the reason why you will not be attending his event. However, in fairness, if he does change the rule to what you want you should be attending that event.

US tournaments have a "not modeled for advantage" rule by in large.

I don't think anyone is going to care if your marines are on 25mm bases. I wouldn't.

Just a thought/question- how do they handle older vehicle models? For instance I know the RT Land Raider is quite a bit smaller than the current model since it doesn't come on a base are they allowed on the table? Same with a lot of RT vehicles they're smaller than their newer models.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Just a thought/question- how do they handle older vehicle models? For instance I know the RT Land Raider is quite a bit smaller than the current model since it doesn't come on a base are they allowed on the table? Same with a lot of RT vehicles they're smaller than their newer models.

Old land raider, old rhino's, predators etc rhino chassis. Ork trukks, battlewagon...Yeah lots of old vehicles used to have smaller models.

Guess if they expect you to cut up models to rebase them they expect you to cut and use plasticard or something to bulk out vehicles to fit profie

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Correct base size is based on 'Whatever base size the model is presently sold with.'

Which becomes tricky when mossies are available with multiple sized bases at the same time... For a time, Eldar jetbikes had different bases depending on whether you bought them individually or in the battleforce. Likewise Necron Monoliths.

Rebasing is a pointless waste of time and money. The advantages of having a smaller base in 40k are for the most part balanced out by the disadvantages. The actual difference on the table is almost always negligible.

Or the Carnifex, some kits are Oval bases some are 60mm circle lol.

How is this tournament going to say you must pick one when currently they are sold with both?

I have emails from GW that my old Tyranid Warrior bases are fine. I'll just show them that Email.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Or the Carnifex, some kits are Oval bases some are 60mm circle lol.

How is this tournament going to say you must pick one when currently they are sold with both?

I have emails from GW that my old Tyranid Warrior bases are fine. I'll just show them that Email.

Alas tournaments can do whatever they wish on them so official rules can be ignored like here like they can ban FW. What you can do is vote with your feet and not take part in tournaments that have silly rules. I flat out refuse any tournament that for example has something silly like "max 2 of same unit" or no FW or require rebasing like this.

Oh i know and i wont go to many b.c of stupid house rules.

A local is doing a "Doubles" tournament but you dont get to pick you partner... its randomly given to you... like wtf? I talked to them why its bad and why i'm boycotting it.

I think that's the key to change. Tell the TO why your not attending and tell him what you like to see changed. Don't just tell him why, give him suggestions on how to fix what you see as a problem (if necessary).

When they next reply, I will also raise the issue of models sold with conflicting base sizes, but I imagine they'd just say 'Both sizes are acceptable in this case.'

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I think that's the key to change. Tell the TO why your not attending and tell him what you like to see changed. Don't just tell him why, give him suggestions on how to fix what you see as a problem (if necessary).

Yes. Just be polite about it. Ultimately though, it is their tournament, their rules.

Good to see the Ogryn Party Bus being banned. I look forward to the inevitable GW FAQ that makes it inarguable for all players.

It seems like the issue here is not that the organisers demand rebasing of models for people to play in their tournament, but that they did not tell anyone about this requirement until they already have sold the tickets (and players travelling a long way have also invested in hotels, travel tickets etc.). In fact it it only being found out about 3rd hand after it was posted here, so potentially people could turn up and have their armies ruled invalid even though they had read all the published requirements and complied with them.

Also unclear is how they define a model. If I had a metal space marine with a 25mm base, and metal space marine models are not sold anymore, how do we define what base size it is sold with? Do you have to use the closest equivalent model from the current range?

Cheeslord wrote:

Also unclear is how they define a model. If I had a metal space marine with a 25mm base, and metal space marine models are not sold anymore, how do we define what base size it is sold with? Do you have to use the closest equivalent model from the current range?

'Metal space marine' is not a unit in the codex.

It's a space marine. If the tournie is insisting on the current base standard, then you use the base size currently provided with whichever space marine unit your metal guy is being used in.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Good to see the Ogryn Party Bus being banned. I look forward to the inevitable GW FAQ that makes it inarguable for all players.

How have they done that?

I read this:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a7e101_6f982ecc01994436a41d2c5557650db2.pdf

But it has nothing about Ogryns (I assume the Ogryn Party Bus is the one with Custodes, Priest, etc...?)

 Galas wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Good to see the Ogryn Party Bus being banned. I look forward to the inevitable GW FAQ that makes it inarguable for all players.

How have they done that?

I read this:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a7e101_6f982ecc01994436a41d2c5557650db2.pdf

But it has nothing about Ogryns (I assume the Ogryn Party Bus is the one with Custodes, Priest, etc...?)

Was responding to this in the OP:

The much disputed 'Tallarn' infiltrate stratagem can _only_ be used on units with the Tallarn Keyword. No Ogryns hiding in transports, I'm afraid.

Oh, ok.

I would never rebase my BT, not so much because the money. I'm just really proud how they turned out. To slice them up would break my heart. The have a lot of small details like bricks, tiles and metal fencing. If the bases were only sanded then the rebasing proces would be easier.

Do you honestly think 32mm bases on marines was a game balance decision? It's purely because gw thought it looked good aesteticly. Sure smaller bases has some advantages, but also disadvanteges. The people demanding others to rebase their mini's forget that warhammer is both a hobby and a game. Even in tournaments putting up models with great looking bases has value in itself, why else do they demand armies to be painted? I am not gonna destroy the bases on an army I spent years getting as cool looking as I could, just because sometimes some more marines can use their 1 attack and have a harder time surrounding vehicles and reaching auras with their 25mm bases.

Change the bases...
WTF kind of BS is that. It is GW fault for messing with the bases for no real reasons, not the players that have been long time collectors and still uses old armies.

If base size is sutch a big deal then the turny bosses should hand out base extenders for all players who uses 25mm bases.

Christ on a bike people.

One guy emailed the organiser to ask a question and received a personal email back, then somewhat irresponsibly made a thread titled "Rules Changes".

The tournament have not actually told everyone to rebase all their models.

In fact the rules pack says "Vintage Models are allowed however the current model’s dimensions and base size should be used for game play decisions."

I mean... they might change this at a later date and then you can all fly off the handle like crazy people... but until then maybe get some perspective?