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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
DE are one of those sleeper hit Index armies. A codex will definitely make them do super well I think.

More importantly is I need a new spark with my Necrons.

maybe, but there are some glaring problems that NEED to be fixed. As it stands, about 1/4 of the codex has no way to get subfaction tactics (theyre just listed as "Drukhari") and the remaining 3/4s are all split such that, for instance, it would be impossible to make a Wych Cult or Haemonculus Covens brigade detachment even if you wanted to (since WC have no access to Heavy support and HC have no access to Fast Attack)

A new codex without significant restructuring, or a new system (for instance, maybe you choose a subfaction from your preferred one of the three, and then the rest of the units in the detachment count as mercenaries but still fill your slots). it would stink if, for instance, a guy with an existing dark eldar army needed to figure out how to get his Reaver Jetbikes into their own separate detachment to avoid breaking the subfaction tactics in his Kabal list, because Reavers are now limited to Wych Cult Only.

With necrons and Tau I feel the systems are at least in place to make them functional, they're just too weak atm.

I am hoping that they are holding off the Ork and Space Wolf Codexes for a global campaign that focuses on those two factions.

That, or they really have their hands full trying to make Orks interesting to play besides Boyz, Boyz, Boyz and more Boyz.

Really hoping that the Tau Codex changes them up from the Commander Spam that seems to be their best tactic. Would love to see some diversity in that army.

But why... Why do Necrons get Lord Cryptek Shaq, master of the slam dunk. That model is so goofy looking, the details look great, don't get me wrong, the pose is just awful.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Bout time we got some xenos, although I'm absolutely baffled how Dark Eldar are higher up on the release schedule than orks. From what I understand Dark Eldar isn't too bad, whereas orks are insanely one dimensional right now and one of the armies the game is most known for, right behind space Marines.

While I will admit the knight isn't bad, why hype up the "year of the xenos" then use half your big reveal for 3 xenos codexes on a knight model? Doesn't make sense.

At least we're finally getting some xenos codexes. The game desperately needs some variety, as it sits most codexes are imperial/chaos and it's getting old. Here's hoping they address the one dimensional nature many index armies are facing right now.

All 3 of those codices have generally newer model lines than the ork book. SO it is possible that orks are waiting on a bunch of updated models while these books are not. They might also want to get all the Aeldari done Releasing DE means they only need to to Harlequins and then they are essentially done (ynnari as of now is basically 3 models + other books)

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am hoping that they are holding off the Ork and Space Wolf Codexes for a global campaign that focuses on those two factions.

That, or they really have their hands full trying to make Orks interesting to play besides Boyz, Boyz, Boyz and more Boyz.

Really hoping that the Tau Codex changes them up from the Commander Spam that seems to be their best tactic. Would love to see some diversity in that army.

But why... Why do Necrons get Lord Cryptek Shaq, master of the slam dunk. That model is so goofy looking, the details look great, don't get me wrong, the pose is just awful.

If it is a polystyrene model, it is almost certainly not a monopose.

pismakron wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am hoping that they are holding off the Ork and Space Wolf Codexes for a global campaign that focuses on those two factions.

That, or they really have their hands full trying to make Orks interesting to play besides Boyz, Boyz, Boyz and more Boyz.

Really hoping that the Tau Codex changes them up from the Commander Spam that seems to be their best tactic. Would love to see some diversity in that army.

But why... Why do Necrons get Lord Cryptek Shaq, master of the slam dunk. That model is so goofy looking, the details look great, don't get me wrong, the pose is just awful.

If it is a polystyrene model, it is almost certainly not a monopose.

Technically, no model made out of such an easily cut material as plastic can really be called "monopose".

To be fair re: "Year of the Xenos" GW never stated that. I think it was Spikey Bits and/or BOLS clickbaiters who first coined the term, and everyone started to think it means we'd see all the xenos races overhauled.

Glad for DE/Necrons/Tau. The knight I could care less about; it seems A) a blatant bone thrown to the imperium players so they don't feel left out and B) a way to allow all knight armies to be just mild garbage not useless garbage (because an all elite army is pretty bad in this edition)

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Bout time we got some xenos, although I'm absolutely baffled how Dark Eldar are higher up on the release schedule than orks. From what I understand Dark Eldar isn't too bad, whereas orks are insanely one dimensional right now and one of the armies the game is most known for, right behind space Marines.

I play both armies, and drukhari are currently one dimensional just like orks. Basically a glass cannon gunline, with 75% of the units that are unplayable. I think orks have even more flexibility and viable options than drukhari. At competitive levels orks are currently more performing than drukhari.

Of course I'm not considering mixed lists with other kinds of elves allied to them.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Bout time we got some xenos, although I'm absolutely baffled how Dark Eldar are higher up on the release schedule than orks. From what I understand Dark Eldar isn't too bad, whereas orks are insanely one dimensional right now and one of the armies the game is most known for, right behind space Marines.

While I will admit the knight isn't bad, why hype up the "year of the xenos" then use half your big reveal for 3 xenos codexes on a knight model? Doesn't make sense.

At least we're finally getting some xenos codexes. The game desperately needs some variety, as it sits most codexes are imperial/chaos and it's getting old. Here's hoping they address the one dimensional nature many index armies are facing right now.

Well they don't reveal more than 3 codex at a time so what you were expecting? Especially as 8th ed hasn't been show of models along codexes all that much...

And at least this gives hope orks get more models in release. Otherwise tons of options like warboss on MA are going to go index only.


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Wayniac wrote:
To be fair re: "Year of the Xenos" GW never stated that. I think it was Spikey Bits and/or BOLS clickbaiters who first coined the term, and everyone started to think it means we'd see all the xenos races overhauled.

Glad for DE/Necrons/Tau. The knight I could care less about; it seems A) a blatant bone thrown to the imperium players so they don't feel left out and B) a way to allow all knight armies to be just mild garbage not useless garbage (because an all elite army is pretty bad in this edition)

Well since GW said codexes would be updated within year for major factions...Not much tiny factions in xenos left and with most imperial/chaos ones done and only xenos left pretty logical term.

As I said elsewhere, this leaves Orks as the last major xenos faction, only Harlequins, Ynnari and Genestealer Cult are left on the Xenos side after this and apparently Harlequins are right after Drukhari. An Ork model release is almost a guarantee at this point, seeing as it can be argued that Orks have the most issues of any Index army left so far and hence leaving them last is so darned painful. Harlequins and Ynnari are still good and Genestealer Cult can always piggyback off of possibly the two strongest codex armies in the game (Astra Militarum, Tyranids). Orks are currently the ones getting the short end of the stick, which ideally would signal them getting the most xenos model love of the initial 8th Edition codex rush.

tneva82 wrote:
Tau codex rules not known yet.
Necrons are getting way more than most codexes so far.
Dark eldars are thus in same boat as most of codexes. In case you haven't noticed it codex=new models isn't true automatically in 8th ed.

Do you actually read my posts or do you just button mash whenever you see I've commented on something in a fit of desperate rage? I didn't say that codex = new models. I said that people are underwhelmed with the announcement for various reasons. The primary reason being the "oh hey look Imperium got a cool new Knight to play with while Crons got a singular monopose HQ and other xenos got nothing in the way of new models" way that GW have made this announcement.

 wuestenfux wrote:
I'm curious how GW solves the problem of Necrons destroying tanks.
In former editions, Necron Warriors with their Gauss weapons needed four sixes to destroy a LR by glancing it to death.
Now, Gauss weapons have S4, AP-1, D1, while LR have 16 wounds and a 3+ save.

One radical way of doing it would be to give tesla haywire.
Of course, the problem there is that tesla may become the more popular choice, as it's then good at killing light infantry / vehicles, as opposed to gauss which would just be anti-heavy infantry.

the_scotsman wrote:

pismakron wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am hoping that they are holding off the Ork and Space Wolf Codexes for a global campaign that focuses on those two factions.

That, or they really have their hands full trying to make Orks interesting to play besides Boyz, Boyz, Boyz and more Boyz.

Really hoping that the Tau Codex changes them up from the Commander Spam that seems to be their best tactic. Would love to see some diversity in that army.

But why... Why do Necrons get Lord Cryptek Shaq, master of the slam dunk. That model is so goofy looking, the details look great, don't get me wrong, the pose is just awful.

If it is a polystyrene model, it is almost certainly not a monopose.

Technically, no model made out of such an easily cut material as plastic can really be called "monopose".

Okay, so you move the arms around a little bit, and now you have a skipping Cryptek. Lord Cryptek Skip, master of Hop Scotch and pleasant walks. Nope, I still don't care for it.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

But why... Why do Necrons get Lord Cryptek Shaq, master of the slam dunk. That model is so goofy looking, the details look great, don't get me wrong, the pose is just awful.

Yeah, the pose is weird. Like, what is even happening? Is it leaping? Can necrons leap now? CS Goto now works on the design team, it seems.

Yea, I give up on you Xenos players. You're getting three books in a row and you'll still nitpick everything.

I am super excited about the knight model.

This is something that Lord of War armies need: small and fairly cheap support elements.

My baneblade companies have only improved as I've taken 500 points of support; with Knights, that was much harder to do. Now you can bring small, fast, cheap Knights and dispense with the support entirely (presumably).

Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea, I give up on you Xenos players. You're getting three books in a row and you'll still nitpick everything.

To be fair, if you compare the model releases Xenos players are confirmed to be getting/have gotten so far in 8th Edition to what Imperial armies are getting/have received, it's a pretty grim picture. New kits are always exciting and a solitary plastic character (plus the made-to-order stuff I guess) across all those xenos armies is undeniably slim pickings. It's not hard to see why they'd be upset, particularly if they only play one of those armies.

However, the future is bright. There's definitely a new wraith construct coming with one of the three Aeldari factions that don't currently have a released codex (I doubt it's Drukhari but I won't assume as much) which more than likely signals Ynnari getting several unique units at some point, and it's looking very likely that Orks will get new kits too. Chaos and Imperium players have been getting their fill so far model-wise, it'll be the xenos players' time for new kits soon.

Caederes wrote:
As I said elsewhere, this leaves Orks as the last major xenos faction, only Harlequins, Ynnari and Genestealer Cult are left on the Xenos side after this and apparently Harlequins are right after Drukhari. An Ork model release is almost a guarantee at this point, seeing as it can be argued that Orks have the most issues of any Index army left so far and hence leaving them last is so darned painful. Harlequins and Ynnari are still good and Genestealer Cult can always piggyback off of possibly the two strongest codex armies in the game (Astra Militarum, Tyranids). Orks are currently the ones getting the short end of the stick, which ideally would signal them getting the most xenos model love of the initial 8th Edition codex rush.

Orks are doing okay for an index army. We are stronger then Necron for sure, and at least no worse than Tau. I don't mind waiting until summer for an Ork Codex to be honest. GW better make it right than make it fast.

As for models, Orks will probably get new buggys and wartrakks. They are perhaps the oldest and most goofy looking models in all of 40k, yet they were somehow singled out for a surprising point-decrease in chapter approved whereas almost nothing else was touched.

The problem is that you're looking at faction blocks. "Imperium" has gotten a lot of stuff, for sure, but as an Imperial Guard player, the new kits I've gotten are...
...
...
....

oh my.

pismakron wrote:
Orks are doing okay for an index army. We are stronger then Necron for sure, and at least no worse than Tau. I don't mind waiting until summer for an Ork Codex to be honest. GW better make it right than make it fast.

As for models, Orks will probably get new buggys and wartrakks. They are perhaps the oldest and most goofy looking models in all of 40k, yet they were somehow singled out for a surprising point-decrease in chapter approved whereas almost nothing else was touched.

That's my point, Tau and Necrons are getting their codexes soon, so of the remaining Index: Xenos armies, Orks are faring the worst. Ergo, very likely they'll get new kits I'd wager.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The problem is that you're looking at faction blocks. "Imperium" has gotten a lot of stuff, for sure, but as an Imperial Guard player, the new kits I've gotten are...
...
...
....

oh my.

The same is also true of the remaining Index Imperium armies, and it's very likely that most of them won't get new kits.

Still, it's obvious that Xenos players have had the least overall model releases since 8th Edition started compared to Imperium and Chaos, so hopefully that changes soon. Ideally I'd prefer each codex comes with a new kit but that's obviously not GW's strategy with these books currently.

Caederes wrote:

pismakron wrote:
Orks are doing okay for an index army. We are stronger then Necron for sure, and at least no worse than Tau. I don't mind waiting until summer for an Ork Codex to be honest. GW better make it right than make it fast.

As for models, Orks will probably get new buggys and wartrakks. They are perhaps the oldest and most goofy looking models in all of 40k, yet they were somehow singled out for a surprising point-decrease in chapter approved whereas almost nothing else was touched.

That's my point, Tau and Necrons are getting their codexes soon, so of the remaining Index: Xenos armies, Orks are faring the worst. Ergo, very likely they'll get new kits I'd wager.

I don't think that is a factor at all. I am pretty sure, that the codex release schedule was planned long before the relative faction power-balance was known.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The problem is that you're looking at faction blocks. "Imperium" has gotten a lot of stuff, for sure, but as an Imperial Guard player, the new kits I've gotten are...
...
...
....

oh my.

Guard would be well served with plastic infantry sprues for Steel Legion, Tallarn and perhaps Valhallan.

pismakron wrote:
I don't think that is a factor at all. I am pretty sure, that the codex release schedule was planned long before the relative faction power-balance was known.

Oh sure, but them being the last major xenos faction to get a codex is telling. Old GW planned their release schedules out 2 years in advance. However, the competitive status of Orks as a whole does make me (among others) hopeful that part of the reason they are last is because they are getting those new kits that everyone wants.

Caederes wrote:

pismakron wrote:
I don't think that is a factor at all. I am pretty sure, that the codex release schedule was planned long before the relative faction power-balance was known.

Oh sure, but them being the last major xenos faction to get a codex is telling. Old GW planned their release schedules out 2 years in advance. However, the competitive status of Orks as a whole does make me (among others) hopeful that part of the reason they are last is because they are getting those new kits that everyone wants.

Well rumour has it that Orks and Space Wolfes will be released together in some box-set of sorts. Dunno what to make of that.

I can very much see that happening, I'm sure it was Hastings that said we're getting a plastic Leman Russ model; I doubt Russ would be in that box, but him accompanying some more Space Wolf kits isn't out of the question.

Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea, I give up on you Xenos players. You're getting three books in a row and you'll still nitpick everything.

Hah, I don't even play Xenos. I am just a bit baffled as to who saw the 3d sculpt and said:

"Yup, that is my (NBA) Jam(: On Fire Edition), stop what you are doing and get me a mould of this!"

Is is a nice looking model from a technical aspect, but the pose... that breaks it for me. If that guy if ever in close combat with my Blood Angels, I won't be able to stop imagining him dribbling a Resurrection Orb up into the combat
, and spiking it into my guys' faces to kill them while showing off his sweet foot work.

It is a nonsense pose, and with the way they designed the model, it won't be changed very much without some cutting. And I know I am less likely to cut up a likely $25-30 figure on the day I get it to help it look less stupid.

He will make an all-star Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain cast along with Jazz-Hands Typhus and the Sloppity Bilepiper.

That knight will be my iron warriors decimator.

Interesting.. the mini-knight doesn't have a chainsword as much as a chain-paddle, its too stubby. And why the mini-thermal cannon. whatever rules it can get will either make it pointless, when multi-meltas exist, or invalidate the big brother. why not give it a mini-avenger Gatling cannon, IE an assault cannon, or 2.

 pumaman1 wrote:
Interesting.. the mini-knight doesn't have a chainsword as much as a chain-paddle, its too stubby. And why the mini-thermal cannon. whatever rules it can get will either make it pointless, when multi-meltas exist, or invalidate the big brother. why not give it a mini-avenger Gatling cannon, IE an assault cannon, or 2.

I assume it will come with more than one option, allowing it to fit neatly into Knight armies, e.g. if you prefer the Avenger Gatling Cannon on your bigger knights, then give this guy the Thermal Cannon. Conversely, if you prefer the Thermal Cannon on your bigger knights, then give this guy the Ironhail Slugthrowing Gatling Avenger Bolt Chain Cannon Gun.

Tau is here! Gundum style!

Daedalus81 wrote:
Yea, I give up on you Xenos players. You're getting three books in a row and you'll still nitpick everything.

Xenos player here. While I could make a snarky response about having to wait so long, I'm exceptionally happy. My hopes were for Tau and Necrons, but we got Dark Eldar, too! Plus that cryptek model is sexy as hell.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Tau codex rules not known yet.
Necrons are getting way more than most codexes so far.
Dark eldars are thus in same boat as most of codexes. In case you haven't noticed it codex=new models isn't true automatically in 8th ed.

Do you actually read my posts or do you just button mash whenever you see I've commented on something in a fit of desperate rage? I didn't say that codex = new models. I said that people are underwhelmed with the announcement for various reasons. The primary reason being the "oh hey look Imperium got a cool new Knight to play with while Crons got a singular monopose HQ and other xenos got nothing in the way of new models" way that GW have made this announcement.

They are getting similar level of support to several imperial armies. But oh yeah they are xenos so they deserve special attention.

There are imperial armies who would be jealous of necron release support. Including ones with already codex.