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2nded, BUT would you accept a 1 month delay if they did SoB First?

Haha, not a big SoB fan myself so to answer that......

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
They are getting similar level of support to several imperial armies. But oh yeah they are xenos so they deserve special attention.

There are imperial armies who would be jealous of necron release support. Including ones with already codex.

That's a fair point and less a strawman.

The difference is that Dark Eldar can't just ally with Necrons if they like the look of the new Cryptek model unlike all of the Imperium armies. That's the issue, if I want to run the sexy new Primaris with my IG, I can within the rules. Xenos don't have this luxury.

Not sure which Imperial armies would be jealous of the single Necron model? Grey Knights maybe?

All Marines have had Primaris and lieutenants for specific Angels.

IG had Marbo of all things.

AdMech get their mini Knight.

Custodes are all new.

What army do you think would be jealous of the single, monopose, new xeno model.

Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. I don't really care when, as long as it happens before the next Space Marines release and it's not Grey-Knights level terrible.

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.



I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd. The fact that Custodes got a codex at all is stupid.

I'll just leave it here. I hope Tau get a balanced codex. Just like i hope for every Xenos faction.

I'd also like to go to an event and see an army besides Eldar, Imperium, and Chaos.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I hope Tau won't be one-dimensionally focused on shooting with the new codex. Because that is often what makes them boring to play against. One-dimensional factions are not fun.
I was secretly hoping for some new Kroot or other auxiliary units. I still want to get an army made up of many different Kroot units supported by some big battlesuits and fire warriors one day.

Also really excited for what the DE dex is going to bring.

Kroot would be okay. Whatever their Not-Squats dudes were called would be better, GW just has to use the AOS Fyreslayer and Kharadron models and make up rules for em (since that's what they're doing with Chaos, and I could see it happening with Orks too maybe?)...or better yet, suits with swords! They can be energy swords if need be, or even axes, but a couple if new sprues of weapons and a couple of datasheets would be great. Armies who aren't all that Mech focused have theoretically monster CC Mech Walker units, it's sad the fishes don't. (and I need at least one for my ZAFT themed Tau force!)


I'm excited by DE too. I can finally start making more progress of my Aeldari/Ynnari Exodites once I know what DE units I want vs what Craftworld ones I want. Then again, my wallet is already crying under the impending strain.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

Agree with this 100%, it would be nice to see some diversity, and updated kits or new characters. I guess it's too much to hope for an HQ Hormagant, like Salty Pete, or something.

Nice Knight, cool to see the Tau getting their rules, hope the people are wrong about the Orks getting new models in the near future.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

Preach!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

This is the truth here. Exalted!

"All DE players ask for 1 Model, Vect, for years doesnt get"
"Necrons ask for a model that isnt single posed, Gets"

This really pissed me off.......... GW knows DE players wants Vect, we been asking for a model form 5th to till and rules since the new 6th Codex (what actually was a 5th codex with many units/gear removed) and yet we dont get...... (so been asking for what? 8yrs?)

We got a crappy Archon model that literally no one likes... WTF GW.

 Marmatag wrote:
If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd. The fact that Custodes got a codex at all is stupid.

I'll just leave it here. I hope Tau get a balanced codex. Just like i hope for every Xenos faction.

I'd also like to go to an event and see an army besides Eldar, Imperium, and Chaos.

I wouldn't mind if SoB got a codex before Orks since SoB haven't had any love since the advent of plastic minis it seems. That said I totally 100% agree that Custodes should NOT even exist as an army. Same goes for Imperial Knights and AdMek.

Personally I think that considering we KNOW every major faction is getting a codex before mid-year and that this has been a near 1 year release of codex after index releases and after the launch of 8th edition then I'd say we are in a very strong position.

It's not like orks are waiting years for "maybe" a codex this edition - its waiting months for a 100% certain codex (ok so its not 100% - GW could close down - but so long as GW keeps its doors open, orks will have a codex).

Sure its annoying that the Impeiral side gets a lot of attention - but lets face it the marine/imperial customers are well over 50% of GWs total market in sales - so its no surprise they get a lot of attention

Blame GW all you want but they "go where the £€¥$ is" but sometimes they should listen to the squeaky wheel and give some grease to SOB, Xenos, and Orks.

Glad that they're releasing codecies for something other than Imperial. maybe all of the Ork & Necro players in my area can feel a lil bit better and maybe bring those armies and play instead of just collecting dust.

I'd like more stuff than just Vect. In fact we have the monopose grotesque that needs to go, and be replaced by a kit with 3-5 multi parts dudes. Same for the court of the archon and the beastpack, they all needs 5+ man plastic kits.

Then comes Vect, but IMHO it's not a priority. And with him also drazhar.

Honestly from a Necron perspective, I don't care about new model releases. Sure, I'd love to see a plastic Flayed Ones kit that went back to the design asthetic of the old metal ones, but that's really about the only thing. We have perfectly serviceable models for everything else. Just give me a well-balanced codex that has some fun synergies and I'm good. There are plenty of armies that are far worse off on the modeling front than us.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

Adding insult to injury, some xenos used to be able to ally together. Tau, eldar, and Necrons used to be able to play nicely together with minimum drawback, but that got taken away.

DominayTrix wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

Adding insult to injury, some xenos used to be able to ally together. Tau, eldar, and Necrons used to be able to play nicely together with minimum drawback, but that got taken away.

Thank Gork and Mork that Taudar has been squatted. That abomination was simply super lame.

And anyone asking for plastic models of this and that should remember, that injection molded plastic parts has very high non-recurring costs and very low marginal costs. It only makes economic sense for parts that will sell in volume.

Woha, some really bad suggestions for Tau...

>Commander should be BS3+
They've ALWAYS have been BS2+ in the past. What kind of nonsense suggestion is that? They won't change that.

>Tau are only some Stratagems away of being competitive
No, they're not. They have absurdly bad internal and outside balance as well.

>Remove Supreme Command Detachment!
And thus kill the only way Tau can do well in Matched Play (at least until the Codex hits). Oh, how about playing Farsight and his subcommanders? No, you shouldn't! Because I only think about my own fun, not others'!

Seems to me many folks are still scarred by how Tau did back in 6th and 7th and loathe getting that back... The point is, Tau can't anyway. Not only Instant Death is gone, blast weapons are terrible now and Tau can't ally with anyone in Matched Play.

They'll never remove the Supreme Command Detachment, its effectively a core Matched Play rule.

From what I gather they need to look at raising the cost of Commanders while lowering the cost of some of Tau's other units?

It seems like you're in a similar position to Orks in that you have one viable build and are forced in to playing it, which is lame.

I think they need to make Cross codex allies harder to use.

Force only a Patrol if you "ally" other armies. This way no CP, and cant spam as much.

I also think we need Comp Score system.

Elite/Fast/Heavy each cant be more than 25% you army. Vanguard/Outrider/Spearhead bumps it up to 40%

 Bobthehero wrote:
Nice Knight, cool to see the Tau getting their rules, hope the people are wrong about the Orks getting new models in the near future.

and why exactly?

 Vector Strike wrote:
Woha, some really bad suggestions for Tau...

>Commander should be BS3+
They've ALWAYS have been BS2+ in the past. What kind of nonsense suggestion is that? They won't change that.

They probably won't change that, no, but it is certainly one the issues causing Tau to have bad internal balance. Many of the weapon options are simultaneously over-and undercosted. It is difficult to envision a scenario, where putting a weapon on a commander is not way more efficient than putting it on a crisis suit. Unless they make weapon point-cost depend on bs, like with plasma on scions.

In all honesty - Orks are the only faction that don't really need new models; Orks can/will convert everything regardless - just give us a solid codex with multiple units/playstyles that are viable and I'll be happy.

They do need a kit for the dethkopper (spelling?) tho. its been what 6yrs? since it was sold.

fe40k wrote:
In all honesty - Orks are the only faction that don't really need new models; Orks can/will convert everything regardless - just give us a solid codex with multiple units/playstyles that are viable and I'll be happy.

Conversions are great, but they are seriously bad news to new gamers. Even ork level conversions (which are very forgiving in quality terms) are still a challenge for new players. If not just because new people won't have the backlog of spare-parts so they'd have to buy what they'd need (or be good with greenstuff).

There is some seriously old stuff in Orks that shows its age; bikes and such. That said we've really no idea on if/when GW will issue new models. There are almost no current patterns to their model release that allows any viable predictions.

fe40k wrote:
In all honesty - Orks are the only faction that don't really need new models; Orks can/will convert everything regardless - just give us a solid codex with multiple units/playstyles that are viable and I'll be happy.

Really? Without new codex stuff like deth koptas w/rokkits, warboss on mega armour, big mek w/kff without MA etc are going to be removed from codex(and thus also locked in index point costs and rules)


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 Overread wrote:
There is some seriously old stuff in Orks that shows its age; bikes and such. That said we've really no idea on if/when GW will issue new models. There are almost no current patterns to their model release that allows any viable predictions.

Bikes are actually one of the newest plastics orks have! Hopefully they redo something that's REALLY old and in need of update like buggies and traks and give models we have rules but no models right now so they wouldn't go "poof" from codex.

 Overread wrote:

Conversions are great, but they are seriously bad news to new gamers. Even ork level conversions (which are very forgiving in quality terms) are still a challenge for new players. If not just because new people won't have the backlog of spare-parts so they'd have to buy what they'd need (or be good with greenstuff).

I disagree with this, many orks conversions are just pure kitbashing. Tankbustas, flash gitz, kommandos and biker characters don't require any green stuff or anything different than GW plastic bitz. Painting the models is way more difficult, especially for the new gamers, than converting orks stuff. But painting is required, right? Seriously I don't get all the hate conversions and kitbashing are taking in this era of 40k. Not to mention that for me sculpting the green stuff and scratch building vehicles and walkers with plasticard is still way easier than painting at decent levels.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Hello from the Adepta Sororitas. Though, TBH, I'm entirely satisfied with what we have and would be perfectly happy with a codex-only release. Though I think some of us would be highly offended if

I don't begrudge the cryptek, but I find the complaints illogical. I'm not sure why the expectation exists that these will come with massive model releases, considering they're being released weeks apart.

I'm glad that the Necrons are getting their book. They seriously need a look at their rules and re-evaluations of some of them and their value. Are they in need of new models though? No. If anything, I don't think any of the major xenos races are in need of new models at this time; Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, Dark Eldar, and Orks are all definitely adequately provisioned with a diverse range of models and units at their disposal, the question is whether the rules for them are any good.

Well you're welcome to your opinion but I suspect it is not one that most people share. There are many examples of Xeno models that need an update - Eldar Avatar and Aspects, Dark Eldar Grotesques, Ork Buggies, Trakks, Characters (pretty much all of them), Deff Koptas.

You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence and you've just had a plastic centre-piece model in Celestine. Us Xeno players don't have this liberty, we can't just take models we like the look of. It is literally against the rules.

If Imperium, Chaos and Xeno are the 3 pillars of 40k, it's clear which pillar has not been supported as much as others. This should change. It's good for the game. It encourages more players and greater variety of players.

So basically, people who play SoB or inq should shut up because they can just go play different armies?

That's really really stupid.

fe40k wrote:
In all honesty - Orks are the only faction that don't really need new models; Orks can/will convert everything regardless - just give us a solid codex with multiple units/playstyles that are viable and I'll be happy.

What about Buggys, trakks, deffkoptaz, or even a proper waaaghboss kit? The Buggys and trakks are so outdated with their puny little crew that its insulting that they still sell those. Why they are not doing the br deffkoptaz in a kit with options is beyond me. The lack of a waaaghboss kit also is a big issue since parts from tinier orks always look silly without green stuff. I'm tired of seeing the monopose br boss with a variety of of right arms and headswaps.

 Marmatag wrote:
If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd.

No that would be nice.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence

Well, you can do that too! You can play Primaris or Custodes or Sisters of Silence too! It's called “starting a new army”.