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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence

Well, you can do that too! You can play Primaris or Custodes or Sisters of Silence too! It's called “starting a new army”.

Except that Imperials do not have to start a new army. You can run every imperial flavor without having to start a new army. You can have imperial guardsmen surrounding Gulliman and Celestine while blood angels charge under cover fire from vindicare assassins. All of this while painting up your new Custodes to add to the soup. Luckily Xenos can do this too that is why they all share the Xenos keyword /s

So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Because I don't like how you look?

Imperium players are never forced to start from scratch , not never start a new army.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

You're not everyone tho. maybe some T'au players want help fighting the greater good and ally with DE Mercenaries (Mandrakes, Sslyths etc.. you know the ones that are actually in the stories that help T'au time to time).

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

I second this, no soups. I'd rather start a full army than mixing factions.

 Blackie wrote:

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

I second this, no soups. I'd rather start a full army than mixing factions.

Then no Aeldari or Imperil soups

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

Rumor is that orks are going to get a GSC-style subfaction in the Kult of Speed come December.

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

Answer to your question is do you want game to be balance or not. If yes then either all need soup or none can have it. And since gw won't make more restrictions to remove soup...

Arachnofiend wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

Rumor is that orks are going to get a GSC-style subfaction in the Kult of Speed come December.

That would be neat

tneva82 wrote:

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

Answer to your question is do you want game to be balance or not. If yes then either all need soup or none can have it. And since gw won't make more restrictions to remove soup...

My take on it also

ERJAK wrote:
So basically, people who play SoB or inq should shut up because they can just go play different armies?

That's really really stupid.

It's also not what I wrote or implied.

Imperial players can ally with new Imperial stuff. I don't have the liberty of taking the sweet new Cryptek model with my Orks and play it legally in anything but open play. That make sense? You can buy any Imperial model you like the look of while waiting for your plastic sisters, or new Inquisition henchmen.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd.

No that would be nice.

For those 3 SOB players perhaps.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence

Well, you can do that too! You can play Primaris or Custodes or Sisters of Silence too! It's called “starting a new army”.

The difference is Imperial players don't have to "start a new army" to do the same, they can just slot in to an existing force and (importantly) they can be played together.

As I said earlier, of the 3 "pillars" of 40k, the Xenos has been severely underwhelming both in terms of model and rules support.

Like how Orks are missing models, DE and CWE have together 30+ Finecast kits.

But no... Imperial i got Custodes and Primaris Marines with codex releases.

 davou wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Nice Knight, cool to see the Tau getting their rules, hope the people are wrong about the Orks getting new models in the near future.

and why exactly?

Because they're my least favorite faction, and I am not looking forward to seeing more of them.

Well, I guess we all knew that Sisters where unlikely.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Like how Orks are missing models, DE and CWE have together 30+ Finecast kits.

But no... Imperial i got Custodes and Primaris Marines with codex releases.

That is because those models are selling like lube in a gay bar.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence

Well, you can do that too! You can play Primaris or Custodes or Sisters of Silence too! It's called “starting a new army”.

The difference is Imperial players don't have to "start a new army" to do the same, they can just slot in to an existing force and (importantly) they can be played together.

As I said earlier, of the 3 "pillars" of 40k, the Xenos has been severely underwhelming both in terms of model and rules support.

Pretty much what he said. The whole point is having the ability to choose. This is before you look at how effective soup is on the tabletop. Look at the LVO top8. There's only 2 actually pure army lists: Blood Angels and Craftworld Eldar. 3 of the 4 Eldar lists splash Ynnari and one even splashes DE in the Ynnari. Don't get me wrong I think combined Imperial armies are a cool fluffy concept, but for balance reasons either everyone should be able to mix or nobody can with very few exceptions.

 Earth127 wrote:
Imperium players are never forced to start from scratch

They are… if they want to play some Orks, for instance.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You can buy any Imperial model you like the look of while waiting for your plastic sisters, or new Inquisition henchmen.

You can buy them too!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
For those 3 SOB players perhaps.

Well, there are WAY more Space Marines players than Ork players. And more Imperial Guard players too! And the Adeptus Mechanicus players too! How about all those new Custodes players?
All those players, that are way way way more numerous than Orks, would be able to add some Sisters of Battle! By your own admission that means releasing Sisters of Battle would be better for more people! Sisters before Orks!!!


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DominayTrix wrote:
The whole point is having the ability to choose.

You have all the ability to chose that you want: you can buy any army!
If you chose to buy a xenos army then don't complain about your choice afterward, it was your choice after all!

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

pismakron wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

So? Is there s rule that all factions must be soup factions? I play Orks, and I gave zero wish to ally with Tau or Necrons. That would just be silly.

As for custodes, they are apparently selling as if they were in fact made out of real gold, which explains why GW is continually giving extra attention to the extra manly super-duper soldiers in power-armour: That is what people wants to pay for.

I second this, no soups. I'd rather start a full army than mixing factions.

Then no Aeldari or Imperil soups

Yeah, I can't stand them, and chaos soups as well. I'd never mix my drukhari with eldar or harlequins but rather start a full craftworld or clowns army instead.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd.

No that would be nice.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
You don't get to play the "most of my range is metal so you should feel sorry for me" card when you can ally with any number of the latest releases - Primaris, Custodes, Sisters of Silence

Well, you can do that too! You can play Primaris or Custodes or Sisters of Silence too! It's called “starting a new army”.

yeah man but Imperium is all one lump army doncha know? if you play sisters of battle clearly you've magicly got a fully assmbled and painted 2000 points ultramarines and/or guard army!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Nice Knight, cool to see the Tau getting their rules, hope the people are wrong about the Orks getting new models in the near future.

and why exactly?

Because they're my least favorite faction, and I am not looking forward to seeing more of them.

Sad. You're so bitter that you couldn't fathom the idea of a major faction having new models? Just ignore it or don't play people that use them? You don't need to "see more of them".

I can fathom it, doesn't mean I have to like it.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 davou wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Nice Knight, cool to see the Tau getting their rules, hope the people are wrong about the Orks getting new models in the near future.

and why exactly?

Because they're my least favorite faction, and I am not looking forward to seeing more of them.

Sad. You're so bitter that you couldn't fathom the idea of a major faction having new models? Just ignore it or don't play people that use them? You don't need to "see more of them".

I can fathom it, doesn't mean I have to like it.

The hypocrisy of that statement after some of the stuff he's said about SoB is absolutely delicious.

(Oh but sob aren't a mablahblahblah. If DE and Orkz are major factions, SoB are too...if only just)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, there are WAY more Space Marines players than Ork players. And more Imperial Guard players too! And the Adeptus Mechanicus players too! How about all those new Custodes players?
All those players, that are way way way more numerous than Orks, would be able to add some Sisters of Battle! By your own admission that means releasing Sisters of Battle would be better for more people! Sisters before Orks!!!!

What makes you think there are more IG, AdMech or Custodes players that Orks? Orks were second in popularity only to SM at one point.

It's interesting though because you have inadvertently taken us down a path of discussion as to why there are so many Imperial releases as oppose to Xenos. Imperial models are much more popular by game design - because they can all ally with each other, the market for Imperial armies is massive (as a whole) in comparison to that of a Xenos faction.

ERJAK wrote:
The hypocrisy of that statement after some of the stuff he's said about SoB is absolutely delicious.

(Oh but sob aren't a mablahblahblah. If DE and Orkz are major factions, SoB are too...if only just)

What on Earth are you talking about? I don't begrudge Sisters new models, I disagree with those pigheaded people who try to claim that they are incredibly popular (just unloved by GW ) despite a metric gakton of evidence to the contrary. You know the one's ERJAK, those guys who just refuse to consider reason or logic when discussing Sisters. Those people who are so fundamental in their beliefs that they parody the very army they defend.

odd that orcs was not part of this.
after all, dark eldar has allways been a niche..

some wishfull thinking from me would be that necron and tau becomes a powercodex just as IG is.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
odd that orcs was not part of this.
after all, dark eldar has allways been a niche..

some wishfull thinking from me would be that necron and tau becomes a powercodex just as IG is.

Well one can hope it's to give GW time to build up model releases for orks which they badly need or codex will lose tons of units.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
odd that orcs was not part of this.
after all, dark eldar has allways been a niche..

To be fair a lot of Dark Eldar being a niche was because they were released then ignored by GW for a long long time; they skipped a whole edition way back without a new codex. It kind of set them back being popular as they got more and more outdated. Also they were originally a more "elite" type army and very glass-cannon which tended to make them harder to use for newer players. You can see similar today with Sisters (although they also suffer from a lack of affordable plastic models and marketing).

Generally speaking point out a 40K army with few models; no new rules in a long time or only very high priced models and you've pointed out a niche army.

v0iddrgn wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
If SOB come before Orks the community should riot, that would be absurd. The fact that Custodes got a codex at all is stupid.

I'll just leave it here. I hope Tau get a balanced codex. Just like i hope for every Xenos faction.

I'd also like to go to an event and see an army besides Eldar, Imperium, and Chaos.

I wouldn't mind if SoB got a codex before Orks since SoB haven't had any love since the advent of plastic minis it seems. That said I totally 100% agree that Custodes should NOT even exist as an army. Same goes for Imperial Knights and AdMek.

There are significantly more Custodes than any Snowflake Marine Chapter, same with Imperial Knights and majorly so for Ad Mech. Now that the Custodes are active an army is fine, be interesting to see if they do the same for Sisters of Silence.

Orks need some new models
Sisters of Battle need almost all new models.
Eldar need some new models
Non Snowflake marine Chapters need new Models - a untit for each of the first Founding Chapters would be good - and less likely to WOLFY WOLF WOLVES.

It would be nice if those armies that actually needed them go them rather than new/Primaris marines for the same old super flanderised Chapters. Now some will trot out the same tired old arguments that only Marines sell (because they mostly sell Marines) but AOS ranges, the specialist games resurgence and Dark Eldar and GSC tell a different story.

 wuestenfux wrote:
I'm curious how GW solves the problem of Necrons destroying tanks.
In former editions, Necron Warriors with their Gauss weapons needed four sixes to destroy a LR by glancing it to death.
Now, Gauss weapons have S4, AP-1, D1, while LR have 16 wounds and a 3+ save.

A super easy way to solve this is to give Gauss rending across the board on top of their base -1 AP. This alone would give them a useful option against anything with Gauss (which is what it was supposed to be).

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
What makes you think there are more IG, AdMech or Custodes players that Orks? Orks were second in popularity only to SM at one point.

Obviously if that wasn't the case, GW would be releasing codices and new models for Orks!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't begrudge Sisters new models, I disagree with those pigheaded people who try to claim that they are incredibly popular (just unloved by GW ) despite a metric gakton of evidence to the contrary.

Totally unlike Orks of course, which *really for realz* are popular, much more so than AdMech or Custodes but also *really for realz* are just unloved by GW, hence the later getting new models and codexes .

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So if you think Imperium players have it so much better, why don't you just switch to some Imperium army? It's going to be the last time you have to start a new army!

Wanting equality between the factions via allies isnt the same as wanting to play current armies able to ally.

Aeldari and now Tyranids has those options, Necrons, T'au, Orks and some others do not.

Rumor is that orks are going to get a GSC-style subfaction in the Kult of Speed come December.

I rather see orks ally with demons then guard.
Orks can on a smaller scale ally with demons especially nurgle and khorne. Plague orks are pretty bad arse.
Guard already ally with all the imperium and tyranids.

I rather see tyranids ally with guard since they have their guerssa force, but they really should have a more pronounced alien presence such as kroot, vespid. Since they are suppose to be the communist coalition army.

necrons have a very loose ally with space marines and imperium. They will feel the most shoehorned of all.

But overall I'm fine with soup armies as long as the bonuses between factions are extremely limited and individual units are continually adjusted to keep them from being over/under powered outliers.