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Lychguard and Praetorians come in the same box though. Possible new sprue allocation? Or even sculpt?

Or just an error in the article

Not discontinued. Moved to direct order. Aka they aren't usual shelf items for flgs so they need to order separately and have smaller discount to store so often no discount to customers either.

You can get them same way you get doomsday arks, nightbringer etc

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
Lychguard and Praetorians come in the same box though. Possible new sprue allocation? Or even sculpt?

Or just an error in the article

You can't expect more than one Necron release from GW in many years. They are busy with new SM stuff. The only spot for Necrons is already reserved by szarekh.

 p5freak wrote:

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
Lychguard and Praetorians come in the same box though. Possible new sprue allocation? Or even sculpt?

Or just an error in the article

You can't expect more than one Necron release from GW in many years. They are busy with new SM stuff. The only spot for Necrons is already reserved by szarekh.

Where's the link with info on this new model?

Nwhere. People assume article in white dwarf means it's coming.

Every PA book had the release of a character. The white dwarf article says that the silent king returns. And there was a rumour on YouTube about a new Necron spider model. And szarekh is close to szeras. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

The article say with no word that the silent king come back.
It's a copy paste text from codex nothing else

There are enough pieces and rumors to figure that there is a good chance he'll show up, but it could also be bad rumors and reading too much into a fluff article. Nothing to do but sit and wait...which we will likely be doing for awhile as it looks like we won't be getting anything till PA6 at the earliest, and if it is the 6th book, I wouldn't hold my breath for much of anything good as we will be a side show to orcs and wolves.

Szarehk isn't coming back, getting a model/rules. The rumor for Necron's PA release is Illuminor Szeras moving to an 80mm base. Sadly that White Dwarf article is going to end up being another WarhammerTV spot which is a straight copy paste of the codex.

EDIT: 80mil is larger than Guilliman, at 60. 80 mil is just shy of a Redemptor size model

I cant see that not being a Centerpiece model, and Szeras isnt one of them

the only alternative based on the similarities of name and the timing of the article is that we're getting our "Primarch" style model with our PA

ofc, nothing confirmed, but we can hope

At 80mm, that’s the size of that weird Ossiarch Royal Court model.

Given Szeras' whole deal is trying to turn himself into a god, I can see him upgrading himself into a giant spider body.

I'd prefer Szarehk, but realistically GW is going to convert most of our finecast character to plastic before they give us a new toy.

IanVanCheese wrote:
Given Szeras' whole deal is trying to turn himself into a god, I can see him upgrading himself into a giant spider body.

I'd prefer Szarehk, but realistically GW is going to convert most of our finecast character to plastic before they give us a new toy.

Why is this realistic?

I mean, are they known for doing that?

torblind wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:
Given Szeras' whole deal is trying to turn himself into a god, I can see him upgrading himself into a giant spider body.

I'd prefer Szarehk, but realistically GW is going to convert most of our finecast character to plastic before they give us a new toy.

Why is this realistic?

I mean, are they known for doing that?

Because we know they're trying to get rid of finecast. I think the word around town was that they wanted to have it all gone by 2021, which seems ambitious. They're slowly replacing (or obsoleting) finecast kits though, no doubt about that.

Odds are much higher most of the resin characters get squatted before they ever get plastic kits.

Your talking about 9 resin characters lol.

Makes way more sense for profits to make a large new character nobody has ever heard of/seen that slots into literally any dynasty.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Odds are much higher most of the resin characters get squatted before they ever get plastic kits.

Your talking about 9 resin characters lol.

Makes way more sense for profits to make a large new character nobody has ever heard of/seen that slots into literally any dynasty.

They're not squatting Imotekh, the C'tan shards or Trayzyn at the very least, so I'd expect plastic kits for all of them in the next year or two. Some of the others might get shuffled off the edge of the map, but they can't axe our entire character lineup.

We also need Flayed Ones in plastic. Honestly, I think the fact we've seen bugger all necron news for a while is a good sign that we're soonish in the codex cycle, which means a proper refresh and not just a special character with PA (though I imagine we'll get that too since GW doesn't like throwing multiple special characters out at once).

I'd love Silent King, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Rumours are irrelevant.

IanVanCheese wrote:
They're not squatting Imotekh, the C'tan shards or Trayzyn at the very least, so I'd expect plastic kits for all of them in the next year or two. Some of the others might get shuffled off the edge of the map, but they can't axe our entire character lineup.

I think 40k post finecast production will have far less special characters per faction. Maybe AoS is not an accurate indicator, but it has a lot less named characters, but they tend to be bigger flashier minis. The new special characters for Sisters of Battle seems to follow the pattern. We will have special characters 'on foot' (like during this PA series) but i feel we will have less per faction and many of the second zone ones will not be redone for a long time (and another campaign books).

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Odds are much higher most of the resin characters get squatted before they ever get plastic kits.

Your talking about 9 resin characters lol.

Makes way more sense for profits to make a large new character nobody has ever heard of/seen that slots into literally any dynasty.

They're not squatting Imotekh, the C'tan shards or Trayzyn at the very least, so I'd expect plastic kits for all of them in the next year or two. Some of the others might get shuffled off the edge of the map, but they can't axe our entire character lineup.

We also need Flayed Ones in plastic. Honestly, I think the fact we've seen bugger all necron news for a while is a good sign that we're soonish in the codex cycle, which means a proper refresh and not just a special character with PA (though I imagine we'll get that too since GW doesn't like throwing multiple special characters out at once).

I'd love Silent King, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I don’t think lack of news is indicative of upcoming goodies. I suspect it’s just lack of news.

However, I would say, that lack of news tends to diminish hype/interest for a faction which reduces sales projections.

 vict0988 wrote:
Rumours are irrelevant.

Good input into a conversation about which of two rumours is the most likely.

I'm happy either way. At any rate, we'll see in a few months time.

If we are getting the Silent King, then I guess that's our Primarch.
Still would have preferred a canoptek HQ, or something related to the Severed though.

The way I see it Szeras is potentially a Cawl type character - scientist/inventor type which new kits can be tied to in the fluff.

I do wish we could get a rewrite of the Dynastic Agents section of the codex so that our characters aren't so bereft of synergy. If you don't have a dynasty keyword you should be able to declare the unit is an agent of <DYNASTY> before the battle and all relevant abilities can be applied, from the lords will to ghost arks to tomb world deployment.

It just makes practical sense. I don't think the restrictions were intentionally strict, they just weren't given full consideration because the writers were just thinking about how to make dynasty choice synergise with your basic units.

Good thoughts. I’d warn against having this thread get too far involved in wishlisting/etc.

Have there been any major tournaments this first month so far with any updated lists/tactics for us?

What’s our anti-IH and anti-RG tech looking like?

sieGermans wrote:
Good thoughts. I’d warn against having this thread get too far involved in wishlisting/etc.

Have there been any major tournaments this first month so far with any updated lists/tactics for us?

What’s our anti-IH and anti-RG tech looking like?

In theory, we're really well kitted out to fight marines. I'm also super interested too see if Heavy Destroyers have snuck their way into any tournament lists, because I'm convinced they're fantastic value now. I've played both armies once, narrowly lost to IH due to the mission, but beat the raven guard centurion spam.

IanVanCheese wrote:

sieGermans wrote:
Good thoughts. I’d warn against having this thread get too far involved in wishlisting/etc.

Have there been any major tournaments this first month so far with any updated lists/tactics for us?

What’s our anti-IH and anti-RG tech looking like?

In theory, we're really well kitted out to fight marines. I'm also super interested too see if Heavy Destroyers have snuck their way into any tournament lists, because I'm convinced they're fantastic value now. I've played both armies once, narrowly lost to IH due to the mission, but beat the raven guard centurion spam.

I’m sure there’s a lot of moving parts that worked to help nearly win and secured victory, but from the list building perspective, any auto-includes specific to these match ups you’d mention?

Ctan spamm with wraith spamm works good for me

sieGermans wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:

sieGermans wrote:
Good thoughts. I’d warn against having this thread get too far involved in wishlisting/etc.

Have there been any major tournaments this first month so far with any updated lists/tactics for us?

What’s our anti-IH and anti-RG tech looking like?

In theory, we're really well kitted out to fight marines. I'm also super interested too see if Heavy Destroyers have snuck their way into any tournament lists, because I'm convinced they're fantastic value now. I've played both armies once, narrowly lost to IH due to the mission, but beat the raven guard centurion spam.

I’m sure there’s a lot of moving parts that worked to help nearly win and secured victory, but from the list building perspective, any auto-includes specific to these match ups you’d mention?

I've been running the pretty standard Necron list. Imotekh, lord, cryptek, 30 tesla immortals, 3 DDA, 6 destroyers, 1 Heavy Gauss Triarch Stalker and 5 scarabs to round it out.

The Stalker is the only slightly odd choice, but it has been doing wonders for me. It draws firepower, has a huge footprint for blocking deepstrike and charges and reroll 1s versus single big targets is tasty. This is a 1750 pts list though, I'm looking to crank it up to 2K and heavy destroyers and/or the Nightbringer seem like the best options.

I found both marine lists struggled with my DDAs. Their big guns suck versus quantum shielding, and I can out range their small guns. Destroyers will mulch just about anything they shoot at, so you can deal with their top threats with them. Honestly, the Immortals are just OK, but they cover weaknesses versus a lot of other armies. Imotekh is my personal "F you" to Thunderfire cannons too. Need more games to give proper account of how we do versus marines, but so far so good for me.

not to just pop in, but I hope Szarekh stays out of being made a model, at least for now. unlike the primarchs, he's been and seen a lot more as i understand it, and id prefer him kind of as a shadow, moving things behind the scenes, and possibly bringing the necrons to new heights on his own, maybe brigning in new tech other necrons use and make those the models. I know he's been written before, but.. i feel like there needs to be a kind of care put into that, so him being up and in a model seems... kinda wrong to me.

on the more tactical topic, while i don't have much to go on, the "standard" necron lists do seem to do alright vs marines, in part due to forcing wounds in differing ways including mortals. Im really hoping to see what CA did for necrons bearing fruit soon in any result i can find, especially in heavy destroyers or flayed ones.

Interested in the wraiths + ctan lists, what are people running in them? I am having trouble fitting everything I want under 2k points.

imotekh, orikan, 25 immortals = 615

5 ctan = 875

9 scarab, 9 wraith = 495

total: 1985

If i can squeeze in 2 more HQ choices, I can have outrider and spearhead detachments. Also wouldnt mind some more big guns like DDA or destroyers, maybe cut the 5th ctan.

What would you guys do to finish off the list?

asobitaii wrote:
Interested in the wraiths + ctan lists, what are people running in them? I am having trouble fitting everything I want under 2k points.

imotekh, orikan, 25 immortals = 615

5 ctan = 875

9 scarab, 9 wraith = 495

total: 1985

If i can squeeze in 2 more HQ choices, I can have outrider and spearhead detachments. Also wouldnt mind some more big guns like DDA or destroyers, maybe cut the 5th ctan.

What would you guys do to finish off the list?

I’m about to start testing a 4 c’tan, 3 DDA, 6 Wraith battalion list adapted from a previous poster’s batrep list.

I’m curious if min-squad Immortals is the right meta choice given a marine prevalence. I find the lack of AP on Tesla quite poor, and Gauss tooVoF anemic.