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Not sure if this is the right place but Andrew Gonyo got DQ'd from the top 16 at Adepticon for taking an illegal relic.

Details please.

He was running a Flesh Tearers detachment with an ancient with the BA relic standard which is illegal.

And no-one noticed before he got that far?

Did he use Battlescribe to write his list, by chance?

Do we have confirmation on this?

nevermind

This could be due to confusion in the Keywords system, possibly. I know people that play a <Regiment> that isn't Cadia but uses the Cadian doctrine. Technically, they should not be able to use the Cadian stratagem/order/warlord trait.

I let them anyways, because it's literally a wording thing, but in this case, Flesh Tearers is more than just a chosen keyword - it gives access to Gabriel Seth (iirc?). Therefore, it's actually relevant that it's different from Blood Angels.

The BA Codex also specifically limits the relics of successor chapters.

That is indeed illegal and as written the Flesh Tearers are not even able to benefit from the aura. It must suck to come that far and get DQ'd but it was easily preventable by asking for list reviews. The issue with successor chapters and relics is widely known among BA players.

Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

Well, he also took Gabriel Seth who is Flesh Tearers exclusive.

sossen wrote:
That is indeed illegal and as written the Flesh Tearers are not even able to benefit from the aura. It must suck to come that far and get DQ'd but it was easily preventable by asking for list reviews. The issue with successor chapters and relics is widely known among BA players.

Do fleshtearers have any rules to distinguish themselves from blood angels?


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Audustum wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

Well, he also took Gabriel Seth who is Flesh Tearers exclusive.

Ahh I see. Well it is an issue then.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

I assume that he wanted to run Gabriel Seth which definitely turns your army into Flesh Tearers.

sossen wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

I assume that he wanted to run Gabriel Seth which definitely turns your army into Flesh Tearers.

Indeed. Well in that case he should be disqualified.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

This isn't a narrative game. It's a competative event, where reading the rules and abiding by them is somewhat required. It's not about what you "Want" to be called. By all means title your army list DEH FLESH TEARAHS, but when you note down what keywords each unit uses, it's pretty important to pick the correct ones.

Particularly, as the poster above noted, if they were in fact using that keyword to access a special character. I don't think people would be too happy if I played using the Cadian Doctine, called my army 'The Rough Riders' and then took Sly Marbo. Rules is rules.

His list is on BCP. It's mostly Astra Militarum with a Flesh Tearers detachment bolted on. Fleshies are Seth, Librarian, a big unit of Sanguinary Guard, Brotherhood Champion and a boatload of Aggressors.

So had the round started yet or can they replace him with the person who came in 17th?

Audustum wrote:
His list is on BCP. It's mostly Astra Militarum with a Flesh Tearers detachment bolted on. Fleshies are Seth, Librarian, a big unit of Sanguinary Guard, Brotherhood Champion and a boatload of Aggressors.

Ah yes, the army with 1400 points of Blood Angels that is "mostly astra militarum."

I'm still waiting for the list that includes One Primaris Psyker that is also "mostly astra militarum".

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
So had the round started yet or can they replace him with the person who came in 17th?

It was caught midround.

Numerically speaking it _is_ mostly AM. It's just points wise it isn't.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
And no-one noticed before he got that far?

Did he use Battlescribe to write his list, by chance?

This is a thing that never fails to amuse.
Last year we had the same damn thing happen at another, relatively smaller event with Guard and someone running a Primaris Psyker with the Cadian Relic.

You'd think that flipping Adepticon would have better standards.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Numerically speaking it _is_ mostly AM. It's just points wise it isn't.

Well, yes, numerically speaking the 4ppm models will outnumber the 13ppm models. That's... designed that way. I would still say it's not "mostly astra militarum" for the same reason I wouldn't say my 3 Superheavy list is "mostly mechanicum" because I have 30 Skitarii supporting 3 Baneblades.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Did a guy seriously get disqualified for playing an army with the exact same army rules as blood angels...just because he wanted to be called flesh tearers instead of blood angels?

This isn't a narrative game. It's a competative event, where reading the rules and abiding by them is somewhat required. It's not about what you "Want" to be called. By all means title your army list DEH FLESH TEARAHS, but when you note down what keywords each unit uses, it's pretty important to pick the correct ones.

Particularly, as the poster above noted, if they were in fact using that keyword to access a special character. I don't think people would be too happy if I played using the Cadian Doctine, called my army 'The Rough Riders' and then took Sly Marbo. Rules is rules.

I agree - didn't know about the special character issue. It's something anyone going to a tournament should just know not to do.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Audustum wrote:
His list is on BCP. It's mostly Astra Militarum with a Flesh Tearers detachment bolted on. Fleshies are Seth, Librarian, a big unit of Sanguinary Guard, Brotherhood Champion and a boatload of Aggressors.

Ah yes, the army with 1400 points of Blood Angels that is "mostly astra militarum."

I'm still waiting for the list that includes One Primaris Psyker that is also "mostly astra militarum".

Easy there, big guy, I was speaking numerically. Not trying to tea-bag that beehive: you already fight with enough people on that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
And no-one noticed before he got that far?

Did he use Battlescribe to write his list, by chance?

This is a thing that never fails to amuse.
Last year we had the same damn thing happen at another, relatively smaller event with Guard and someone running a Primaris Psyker with the Cadian Relic.

You'd think that flipping Adepticon would have better standards.

Warzone Atlanta isn't that much smaller - its another ITC major. That said people need to actively check their opponent's list, especially relics. Its become a known issue at this point.

Audustum wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Audustum wrote:
His list is on BCP. It's mostly Astra Militarum with a Flesh Tearers detachment bolted on. Fleshies are Seth, Librarian, a big unit of Sanguinary Guard, Brotherhood Champion and a boatload of Aggressors.

Ah yes, the army with 1400 points of Blood Angels that is "mostly astra militarum."

I'm still waiting for the list that includes One Primaris Psyker that is also "mostly astra militarum".

Easy there, big guy, I was speaking numerically. Not trying to tea-bag that beehive: you already fight with enough people on that.

I just bristle when Imperial Guard gets flak for being souped with other armies, when the other armies have the warlord, the relic, a majority of the points, and the units that do the heavy lifting. Literally the only role the IG fill is to die slowly enough for the army to function (OH! And to generate CP), but people still accuse the list of being "mostly AM" or "an Astra Militarum" list.

It's obnoxious.

To be fair, dying slowly in droves while the Marines/sisters/Inquisition/etc do the real work is pretty much the Guard's role in fluff (a lot of the time.)

quentra wrote:
To be fair, dying slowly in droves while the Marines/sisters/Inquisition/etc do the real work is pretty much the Guard's role in fluff (a lot of the time.)

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the role played! I just have a problem with the list being labelled an "Astra Militarum" list. Or even "mostly Astra Militarum" which is essentially saying the same thing.

 Farseer_V2 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
And no-one noticed before he got that far?

Did he use Battlescribe to write his list, by chance?

This is a thing that never fails to amuse.
Last year we had the same damn thing happen at another, relatively smaller event with Guard and someone running a Primaris Psyker with the Cadian Relic.

You'd think that flipping Adepticon would have better standards.

Warzone Atlanta isn't that much smaller - its another ITC major. That said people need to actively check their opponent's list, especially relics. Its become a known issue at this point.

I think we need to ask GW to publish a step by step instructional video about "How to Write An Army List" at this point...

It's becoming ridiculous.

Lol, if you leave it to GW then it'll be riddled with contradictions and errors.