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What is it with Blood Angels players and getting disqualified?

I've said for a while that BA + IG is a solid pairing... BA have the assault, Guard have the everything else.

Interesting. So do these successor chapters have any relics or chapter traits at all? Or do they just get the character... That sucks if you give up all the for chat a single character. XD

 lolman1c wrote:
Interesting. So do these successor chapters have any relics or chapter traits at all? Or do they just get the character... That sucks if you give up all the for chat a single character. XD

They can have a power sword upgrade.

 Zimko wrote:
Lol, if you leave it to GW then it'll be riddled with contradictions and errors.

This time around, GW's wording is actually pretty clear. I'm usually one of the first to go to town on them for getting sloppy, but they actually did a good job with clarifying who gets what in the BA codex.

This sets an great example. The mistake at this level is inexcusable.

 Primark G wrote:
This sets an great example. The mistake at this level is inexcusable.

Is it though?
I'm not familiar with tournaments, so do you have to hand in your list to a judge/representative for approval first?

Otherwise this comes down to the player level. Personally I know I can't take the raven guard relic as Ultramarines but who's to say my opponent does? More so if I call it by it's name, I know I could do that to my friends everytime lol

Depends some of the bigger tournaments don't check lists because they don't have the resources to do it. So it's left to each person to check it themselves. Given some of the high level players are prone to change their lists at the last minute before an event it's an easy mistake to make. I know I made the exact same mistake in a pick up game because I decided to add Seth to my list at the last minute and around turn 3 I realized my mistake.

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
This sets an great example. The mistake at this level is inexcusable.

Is it though?

I feel if your getting into the top 16 chances are you should be as knowledgeable as you can be at this game.

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
This sets an great example. The mistake at this level is inexcusable.

Is it though?
I'm not familiar with tournaments, so do you have to hand in your list to a judge/representative for approval first?

100% inexcusable - you don't make top 16 at a major without knowing rules like that. I don't think Gonyo is a bad dude or anything but you can't make those mistakes at that tier.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Depends some of the bigger tournaments don't check lists because they don't have the resources to do it. So it's left to each person to check it themselves.

If you're not going to set a list submission deadline before the event, you probably need to allow time before R1 kicks off for each table to check each other's army lists.

Alternatively, set the deadline far enough ahead of the event that the staff will have time to check the lists - even if it means saying that only books released before said date are valid.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Depends some of the bigger tournaments don't check lists because they don't have the resources to do it. So it's left to each person to check it themselves.

If you're not going to set a list submission deadline before the event, you probably need to allow time before R1 kicks off for each table to check each other's army lists.

Alternatively, set the deadline far enough ahead of the event that the staff will have time to check the lists - even if it means saying that only books released before said date are valid.

That's far easier said than done. Even a GT level event with 60+ people takes an unbelievable amount of time to check all the lists. The best solution is for players to check their opponents list, the issue is most players would still miss the error in Gonyo's list.

If your a top tier player you shouldn't have anything wrong with your list. At that level generally judge calls are for intangibles on the table, does this model have LOS or not, does this model have distance. Not rules questions

I haven't seen it here, but on a FB group some people are asking if this was deliberate. Not as an accusation, but as a rule at a top 16 level at this, its really inconceivable it wasn't a known issue.

This sets a great precedent for other TOs. To even imply it is acceptable is inexcusable.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
And no-one noticed before he got that far?

Did he use Battlescribe to write his list, by chance?

Actually most BS catalogs now have explicit logic to prevent exactly this kind of issue, so using BS then a manual check would probably have prevented the issue in the first place.

For all the gak people give BS, it's done by volunteers, and bugs that get reported unless particularly thorny get squashed within a day or two

Good to see the TO's step up and make the big call, it's a much better precedent for the other TO's.
Its your responsibility to ensure that you have a legal list, if in doubt check it with a TO beforehand.

While I fully agree he was in error, it's a shame it didn't get caught earlier on. Had it been caught in the first game I'd have been tempted to give him a pass and simply bar the relic from the rest of his games, etc. Seems a quick and easy fix.

However, a harsh penalty does serve a purpose - you know damn well everyone will be double/triple checking their lists going forward.

Obviously, it was an accidental mistake and not intentional, but the fact this is once again happening at a major tournament is a little silly.

I'm fairly confident almost every major event since 8th has had some kind of list error worthy of DQ in every single final top 8-16,

I heard his list at NOVA was illegal as well.

I think it was illegal for a similar reason too - an illegal relic on a Primaris Psyker instead of a Company Commander? Dude needs to read his codex

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm fairly confident almost every major event since 8th has had some kind of list error worthy of DQ in every single final top 8-16,

I'm pretty sure there has been. At this point, it's a little ridiculous even if they are honest mistakes.

Wait this is the same guy from the primaris pysker relic issue last time?

One time is a coincidence, but two times in a row seems a bit shifty

 Primark G wrote:
I heard his list at NOVA was illegal as well.

Correct, he won the Nova Open with Kurov's Aquilla on a Primaris Psyker that was illegal. It was caught early on and during the final and he docked himself 4 CP.

OT.
Are the top games reported somewhere?

Nevermind - I was wrong.

I was willing to consider it a true, genuine error when it happened just once. Twice is shifty.

Very shifty and shows a preponderance of evidence.

Guys we found all the Tyranid players that werent at NOVA!

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

Could also just be him being very gak at writing legal lists.

Either way. DQ is a good response. esp for a second offense.

People cheat all the time in tournaments. All the time. Winning small events just as much catching rules bending as being a good player with a good list.

A simple mistake to make, but I'm glad he did get disqualified. If he didn't, I'd imagine several WAAC type players would try to pull similar stunts to win...