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Deep striking assault turn 1 is one of the death knells of makiing sure maneuver matters in this game, and is one of the primary reasons I won't touch 40k right now.

It being curbed will have me looking at playing again.

And no I don't play gunline armies, I just prefer to have some maneuver matter again instead of just having to always include screening units to stop the deep strike assault "tactic" that requires next to no cognitive thought to execute.

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Someone explain me who autowon using Warlock Conclave. Or maybe I missed something lol.

Yeah I think the warlock price jump is insane. Warlock Skyrunners were already insanely expensive at 70 pts, and now they are 90. A Conclave of 2 bikes is 160. Why would anyone ever take that datasheet?

Warlocks are tricky because the buffs they provide for Shining Spears, Guardians, etc. are very valuable, and jet-bike Warlocks are very mobile. And, there's the problem of Ynnari synergies.... So, I suppose Warlocks are paying the price for the value they bring to other units, rather than their own inherent value.

 auticus wrote:
Deep striking assault turn 1 is one of the death knells of makiing sure maneuver matters in this game, and is one of the primary reasons I won't touch 40k right now.

It being curbed will have me looking at playing again.

And no I don't play gunline armies, I just prefer to have some maneuver matter again instead of just having to always include screening units to stop the deep strike assault "tactic" that requires next to no cognitive thought to execute.

You might want to get out of here, son. The melee mafia might hear you say that...

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
So when Commissars shoot someone, it no longer counts against the morale test...its interesting to see what GW fixes, ignores, and breaks with these sessions...

It's also optional now. Which is huge.

ah missed that. So they cut the price of commisssars in half and fixed the ability, we'll see how that plays out.

Wish theyd have done something about Vanquishers though...

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Relic of Cadia is once per.

IG CP Factory is toned down.

It now produces more command points though - it's a net loss. This team is absurd.

DCannon4Life wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Someone explain me who autowon using Warlock Conclave. Or maybe I missed something lol.

Yeah I think the warlock price jump is insane. Warlock Skyrunners were already insanely expensive at 70 pts, and now they are 90. A Conclave of 2 bikes is 160. Why would anyone ever take that datasheet?

Warlocks are tricky because the buffs they provide for Shining Spears, Guardians, etc. are very valuable, and jet-bike Warlocks are very mobile. And, there's the problem of Ynnari synergies.... So, I suppose Warlocks are paying the price for the value they bring to other units, rather than their own inherent value.

Yeah, but... but...

The difference in 10 points between Warlock and Spiritseer. A model of that price with .... bum da bum... 2 wounds. It's like Wraithguard but more expensive.

Explain O_o

And Shining Spears are totally ok?

DCannon4Life wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Someone explain me who autowon using Warlock Conclave. Or maybe I missed something lol.

Yeah I think the warlock price jump is insane. Warlock Skyrunners were already insanely expensive at 70 pts, and now they are 90. A Conclave of 2 bikes is 160. Why would anyone ever take that datasheet?

Warlocks are tricky because the buffs they provide for Shining Spears, Guardians, etc. are very valuable, and jet-bike Warlocks are very mobile. And, there's the problem of Ynnari synergies.... So, I suppose Warlocks are paying the price for the value they bring to other units, rather than their own inherent value.

It's not tricky. Units that suck should not go up in points.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
So when Commissars shoot someone, it no longer counts against the morale test...its interesting to see what GW fixes, ignores, and breaks with these sessions...

It's also optional now. Which is huge.

Yeah that's the big difference. I don't think the model executed by the commissar ever counted towards the moral test.

 Shadenuat wrote:

DCannon4Life wrote:

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Someone explain me who autowon using Warlock Conclave. Or maybe I missed something lol.

Yeah I think the warlock price jump is insane. Warlock Skyrunners were already insanely expensive at 70 pts, and now they are 90. A Conclave of 2 bikes is 160. Why would anyone ever take that datasheet?

Warlocks are tricky because the buffs they provide for Shining Spears, Guardians, etc. are very valuable, and jet-bike Warlocks are very mobile. And, there's the problem of Ynnari synergies.... So, I suppose Warlocks are paying the price for the value they bring to other units, rather than their own inherent value.

Yeah, but... but...

The difference in 10 points between Warlock and Spiritseer. A model of that price with .... bum da bum... 2 wounds. It's like Wraithguard but more expensive.

Explain O_o

And Shining Spears are totally ok?

Spears are totally balanced. Guilliman though - that guy that can't even win games giving his whole army reroll hits and wounds needs a price jump. So OP.

Oh man this is all beautifull. The over-reactions, the changes...

 auticus wrote:
Deep striking assault turn 1 is one of the death knells of makiing sure maneuver matters in this game, and is one of the primary reasons I won't touch 40k right now.

It being curbed will have me looking at playing again.

And no I don't play gunline armies, I just prefer to have some maneuver matter again instead of just having to always include screening units to stop the deep strike assault "tactic" that requires next to no cognitive thought to execute.

That's nice of you, but just because you don't play gunline armys does not mean others won't?
The gunline will just use the points left over from reducing their screens to buy more big guns and still won't maneuver a single inch the whole game, thank you very much. The screens where the only thing maneuvering before, so now we can just scrap the movement phase alltogether.

 mokoshkana wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Someone explain me who autowon using Warlock Conclave. Or maybe I missed something lol.

Yeah I think the warlock price jump is insane. Warlock Skyrunners were already insanely expensive at 70 pts, and now they are 90. A Conclave of 2 bikes is 160. Why would anyone ever take that datasheet?

No, the skyrunner profiles are listed separately points wise.

So, a Farseer Skyrunner is still 135 (compared to on foot 110.
Warlock Skyrunner is still 70 (compared to 55 on foot... lol )
Conclave Skyrunner is still 130 (compared to 90 on foot)

 Xenomancers wrote:

Spears are totally balanced. Guilliman though - that guy that can't even win games giving his whole army reroll hits and wounds needs a price jump. So OP.

Maybe people should stop only using him as a support for Fire Raptors? I haven't seen anyone try to make an inventive list with him.

The movement phase has already basically been scrapped. Placing screens is not maneuver to me. Its playing magic the gathering with expensive models and tapping them to form "screen" defense.

What they need to do now is make a terrain / cover system that actually means a damn so gunline builds are crippling themselves in conjunction with preventing the all assault deepstriking "tactic" from happening.

My only potential concern is their "fix" to soup actually fixes nothing. Hardly anybody was taking multiple factions in a single detachment, it was things like taking a BA Vanguard alongside an IG Battalion with an IG spearhead that was the problem, and unless I misread, their beta fix doesn't affect that.

Great to see my inquisition army is dead and my grey Knights can’t smite or deepstrike anymore...

The warlock makes no sense.

I wish they'd give reasoning behind their changes. Some changes such as Dark Reapers tend to explain themselves, but the warlock and Farseer change are just weird. The changes also make the Skyrunners juicier as there is less point jump to a jetbike.

Still hoping for clarification on Baal Predator killshot, but I’m happy to see the SM update clarify cherub use with hellfire shells and flakk missiles. That’s pretty delicious.

Q: If I am playing a matched play organised event that has
an upper limit of 3 Detachments per Battle-forged army, what
is the maximum number of Drukhari Patrol Detachments I
can include?
A: 3.

Was this REALLY a question that needed FAQing?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Weidekuh wrote:
The detachement CP change makes it even better to have a AM batallion for CP farming.

where is this? I cant find any reference to Detachment CP changes yet.

 Jaxler wrote:
Great to see my inquisition army is dead and my grey Knights can’t smite or deepstrike anymore...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/16/warhammer-40000-big-faq-1-the-low-downgw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-2/

"For armies without an HQ choice of their own, worry not! Your Sisters of Silence, Officio Assassinorum et al are all allowed to be fielded in a Vanguard Detachment without one."

"4: Models with the Brotherhood of Psykers or Brotherhood of Sorcerers rules can manifest Smite without an increase in warp charge cost. They will always manifest Smite on a 5+.

This last bit of the rule (point 4) has been introduced based on a lot of feedback from Thousand Sons and Grey Knights players who pointed out that escalating Smite’s Warp Charge requirement might hurt their armies disproportionately. After plenty more playtesting, we agreed, and as such, models with the Brotherhood of Psykers/Brotherhood of Sorcerers ability now ignore the escalating penalties, offering each a strong niche and giving them mastery of the Psychic phase (as they should have!)."

 Jaxler wrote:
Great to see my inquisition army is dead and my grey Knights can’t smite or deepstrike anymore...

They can still smite as per normal, and don't suffer the +1 to cast with each smite (if they have the brotherhood of pyskers rule)

As for deep striking, they can still deep strike the same as before. Just you now have to wait to turn 2 to do it, rather than doing it on turn 1.

As for the Inquision army, i think it depends on what you are running

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

Weidekuh wrote:
The detachement CP change makes it even better to have a AM batallion for CP farming.

where is this? I cant find any reference to Detachment CP changes yet.

nevermind found it

Any reason why DG (and presumably TS (don't own their codex, so I can't check if they can do it anyway), as it is absent from their FAQ too) Dreads can't take twin Scourges/Hammers and CSM ones have been FAQed to be able to do so?

Yay for consistency!

GW is still loading FAQs. Some indexes just got their updates.

I'm actually really annoyed. I'd been buying up units in preparation for a list that mixed DS and stroke from the shadows and now GW has gone hurting deeply during your army is invalidated now. And I haven't even started using it yet, I can't imagine how pissed off I'd be if I'd been playing an army that used DS for a while.

Kdash wrote:

 Jaxler wrote:
Great to see my inquisition army is dead and my grey Knights can’t smite or deepstrike anymore...

They can still smite as per normal, and don't suffer the +1 to cast with each smite (if they have the brotherhood of pyskers rule)

As for deep striking, they can still deep strike the same as before. Just you now have to wait to turn 2 to do it, rather than doing it on turn 1.

As for the Inquision army, i think it depends on what you are running

Their 'Smite' is capped at 1 MW even if you roll 11+ and is only 12" in range. GK continue to suffer massively.

Kult of Speed incoming!!

Page 13 – Warboss on Warbike, Waaagh!
Change the rule to read:
‘Friendly Ork Infantry and Biker units within 6" of
this model at the start of the Charge phase can charge
even if they Advanced this turn.’

Dark Talons points increase 40 pts ! yikes

Pages 110 and 111 – Prosecutors, Vigilators,

Witchseekers and Null-Maiden Rhino, Abilities
Add the following ability:
‘Null Maidens: So long as your Warlord is from the
Imperium, you can include this unit in a Vanguard
Detachment even if that Detachment contains no
HQ units. However, if you do so, that Detachment’s
Command Benefits are changed to ‘None’.’

Pages 114 and 115 – Vindicare Assassin, Callidus

Assassin, Eversor Assassin and Culexus Assassin, Abilities
Add the following ability:
‘Execution Force: So long as your Warlord is from the
Imperium, you can include this unit in a Vanguard
Detachment even if that Detachment contains no
HQ units. However, if you do so, that Detachment’s
Command Benefits are changed to ‘None’.’