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Don't you own an ETA-2 Peregrine?

Welp, a player in my local X-wing scene asked if I'd care to split a new core with him - he's going to preorder and get the cool damage deck so each of us will have a damage deck (one the promo one, one from the box).

So I'm still in then. I'll probably pick up an Empire upgrade box when it comes out, see if they might have given Imperial players a fair shake this time around.

Yeah, unless the early Rebels flew the N-1 I don't want to see it anywhere near the tabletop or anything prequel (plus it's an ugly ship). There's still a ton of ships from the Galactic Civil War and the time after till TFA that can be touched on too.

 ingtaer wrote:
Don't you own an ETA-2 Peregrine?

Nope. The one in my gallery was a commission job for a friend (used as Vader).

Glad to see my memory wasn't just playing tricks. My take on the prequels is that it could be good for two reasons, one it allows a couple of other factions with, hopefully, unique feels to them. With the new calculate and force mechanics underpinning the design space for the Separatists and Republic respectively. My second reason is that it would allow me to blow up the kid and Gungan whos names must not be mentioned...

My main issue with it is the cross factionalism that it would promote more of (with ARC, Z and Y at least being available to the Republic).

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
Yeah, unless the early Rebels flew the N-1 I don't want to see it anywhere near the tabletop or anything prequel (plus it's an ugly ship). There's still a ton of ships from the Galactic Civil War and the time after till TFA that can be touched on too.

They'll be dragging up new things since the TFA+ stuff is going to need to be EU, and the EU has basically used the standard ships shown in the movies for First Order and Resistance.

Honestly Prequel is the best option for expanding things.

Not sure how I feel about 2nd edition, most of my models I got from trades from people getting out.
I'm currently a student and $50 a faction plus $40 for the box set is a lot to me.

There is a bunch of people in my area that are starting to shave down their armies or leaving the hobby
all together. We saw this with the new edition of Warmachine. People were excited about it but once released
no one really played it and now the game has really dried up in the area.

I am glad they recognized the fixes that needed to be made but not sure if it was handled correctly.
The point thing only online make me feel the game is incomplete.

Disney really haven't been pushing the prequels, at all. There's hardly any mention in the new movies, TLJ's explanation of the force has nothing to do with midicorians, and I haven't seen any identifiably ep. 1-3 merchandise, while Darth Vader and ep. 4-6 stormtroopers are everywhere. Not seeing The Mouse forcing FFG to use prequel stuff.

This isn't to say it'll never appear, but I'd expect stuff from Solo to turn up a lot earlier.

Solo stuff should be out this year, but really how many waves can they expect to squeeze out of the film? I expect one (Scum Falcon and the new TIE thing), what else do we have from the new trilogy yet to be released? A few different shuttles and a slightly longer A-Wing. So that leaves plundering the old EU and realistically I doubt there is a lot that will be viable, does anyone really want the H-Wing? or the dozens of slightly different TIE designs? Non main faction stuff there is still quite a bit of stuff that is doable but is about as recognisable as Star Wars as the K-Wing is.

I cant imagine that the mouse will not allow FFG to make prequel stuff, as was noted before the designers said that they were not going to go there but was that a decision made due to the design constraint, economics or a diktat from the mouse? We cant know but as the license has to be paid for and a minimum of six ships a year are to be expected they have to come from somewhere. Prequels seems to make sense.

No, not what I meant - I don't think FFG wanted to do prequel stuff, and given the fact that Disney isn't really pushing it I can't see them forcing FFG to do prequel to keep the licence.

There's the new "Resistance" cartoon which should provide some more designs prior to Ep. 7, plus whatever turns up in Ep. 9, which really isn't that far off given that FFG is probably going to spend the majority of the next year and a bit re-boxing and re-releasing the stuff that was in the V1 waves.

If prequel stuff turns up, I'd guess it'll be in about 3 years.

Yeah that would be my guess as well, three - five years. I cant imagine they will go there sooner, especially as just the rerelease of ships for 2.0 is going to take a year or more... (though I hope not).

 ingtaer wrote:
Yeah that would be my guess as well, three - five years. I cant imagine they will go there sooner, especially as just the rerelease of ships for 2.0 is going to take a year or more... (though I hope not).

I dunno, I'm okay with not getting all of the ships at once. It gives them time to assess the meta and make changes as they need before releasing things, and it gives us something to look forward to. Plus it's easier on my wallet.

Considering the re-release ships from Wave 2 on will have brand-new, non-conversion kit cards... I think it'll take a long while to fully re-release them. They will want people buying every single release (again), and over-aggressive release schedule will cut into sales. Even hardcore fans only buy so much...

Considering the prequels are generally seen by most as bad I wouldn't be surprised if Disney, and FFG, is holding off on including the ships from those movies until they can find a way to turn them into money makers.

 ProtoClone wrote:
Considering the prequels are generally seen by most as bad I wouldn't be surprised if Disney, and FFG, is holding off on including the ships from those movies until they can find a way to turn them into money makers.

The Clone Wars show was pretty good, and that's where a lot of the Republic designs would come from.

Also, the ship designs are one of the best things about the prequels (right after Ewan McGregors turn as Obi-Wan)

 ProtoClone wrote:
Considering the prequels are generally seen by most as bad I wouldn't be surprised if Disney, and FFG, is holding off on including the ships from those movies until they can find a way to turn them into money makers.

Personally and from what I’ve heard amongst friends it’s the script is the bad part. The vehicles, creatures, and visual character designs are generally well regarded. Personally I’d love to see all the Clone starfighters (ARC, Clone Y&Z, and V-19), Droid fighter, tri-fighter, bomber, and gunship, and Maul’s ship.

Clone wars era ships would be one thing that would tempt me to shell out the cash to convert to 2.0. I still very much feel it's want legions needs.

I think a lot of the problems with x-wing is far too much emphasis is put on the 100 point dogfight in an asteroid field tournament play style. The "meta" really isn't such an issue in larger games.

400 point 2 vs 2 games, with 1 or 2 large ships a side. Flying fighters in actual squadrons. All of the broken combo's for individual ships goes out the window when you can just line up half a dozen ships to delete that threat of the board. It also looks and feels a lot more on how we see ship fights on screen.

The Prequel's were bad because of the dialogue. The ship designs and other stuff were fine. And Clone Wars was excellent.

Besides, if Jar Jar does make into the game you'll get to shoot Jar Jar!

Don't forget the acting. That was also abysmal.

Yeah, the acting was what was bad but people generally don't see the prequels overall in a good light.

Disney might be working on a way to clean up the movies mess with spin-off series, like Clone Wars, or other media ventures to off set the general distaste for the prequels. So, for now, the prequels are on respirator until they can patch them up.

Sorry, not trying to make a mess just proposing a possible idea. Disney is very much about control and this could be, not definite, what they are trying to do.

Given the amount of Clone Wars stuff that popped up in Rebels, I don't think Disney has any sort of ban on the era. I think if anyone has let their personal hatred for the prequels get in the way of content for their games, its FFG. I'd wager they're just realizing they've thoroughly exhausted everything else and Disney isn't feeding them new stuff fast enough to avoid it any longer.

I don't... like... the prequels at all, really. They are 3 downright abysmal films through and through. That said, the actual conflict that the movies don't bother with are good game fodder with lots of great character designs that make for some pretty fun heroes to control and villains to vanquish. A lot of people have proven the ability to do great things with those toys and I think its time FFG challenges itself to do the same.

If nothing else we just got a new Force and Droid calculate ability. Which would be fitting for Jedi flown ships and CIS ships.

Though I'd be curious to see what they'd give upgradewise to droid ships like the Vulture.

I wasn't a fan of the prequels either unless I saw the Hal9000 fan-edit. Doesn't turn them into masterpieces but the movies are ok

But going for the prequels adds a lot of possibilities to the game as the old republic and its antagonist have a lot of ships and pilots they can use

 Flinty wrote:
Don't forget the acting. That was also abysmal.

And the direction. It takes a certain level of skill to make Natalie Portman a worse actress than she was at 11.

But the ship designs were generally quite nice, and would look good on the board. Having droid controlled ships act significantly different would be very interesting.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The Resistance is still at least a year away, innit?

I doubt it. People will riot if they have to wait that long, especially if FFG releases prequel trash before 2.0 kits for the stuff we already bought.

I'm pretty sure Mathieu was talking about the show, not the entire faction as a whole.

Yes, the show. The conversion pack is slated as part of the second wave of releases. And I think they said they wanted to be aggressive in their release schedule, so I dare think no one will have to wait more than 2 months before they can again flood the tables with Resistance Bombers. Lucky us.

New article up with some more info, details on the new barrel roll method (only for small ships though, doesn't show the medium or large) as well as the new dials for T65 and TIE/ad.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/5/9/a-few-maneuvers/

I would port the pics over but am too incompetent and don't know how to do it! If someone want to walk me through it...

Also here is a googledoc of all of the known changes to date;

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WBD6vYa6cXMFsQNdbfSK1kjQdscdsQ_aLfMTbGqRsfY/edit

Thanks for posting the google doc, lots of good info in there.

There have been a lot of grognards vowing to give up the game after September, and an uptick of old players coming back...


All in all, good things all.

The more I think about the (well needed) second edition of the game, the more excited I get.

I can't wait to get my Imperials back out on the tabletops. Ran a few demo games last week to get the idea of X-Wing into a few new player's heads. I told them they should probably hold off buying much until the second edition, but they thoroughly enjoyed it, and the idea that they would have plenty of time to save up money to buy into the game.

Yeah I'm not feeling the need for more 1.0 lists... I just want to save up and splurge after summer.