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Northern85Star wrote:

In other words, once people start the inherent arms race that follows bringing FW models, you force your opponents to list-tailoring and/or bringing their own FW models, thus buying into the very sales trick that FW uses: creating models that are only truly countered by other FW models.


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Btw: the fact that aertos rau keres was points adjusted from 750 to 1500 shows how imbalanced and poorly adjusted FW models are!

It is enough coping with the GW stuff

I disagree. Like other posters have said FW points values are similarly hit or miss like GW points values. Personally I bought a FW Blight Drone because people were arguing GWs Bloat Drone is much too strong - the Blight drone is a bit weaker for 60 points more, so I balance my list by using a FW model.

FWs Greater Daemons are also not stronger than GWs Daemon Primarchs. Since Chapter approved most of them are very overcosted.
There are FW units that fall in line with Dark reapers, Brimstones, razorwing flocks and so on - but they all have been nerfed.

Northern85Star wrote:


In other words, once people start the inherent arms race that follows bringing FW models, you force your opponents to list-tailoring and/or bringing their own FW models, thus buying into the very sales trick that FW uses: creating models that are only truly countered by other FW models.

They must not have Imperial Knights where you play. Because that's the only 'arms race' I've ever seen.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Northern85Star wrote:


In other words, once people start the inherent arms race that follows bringing FW models, you force your opponents to list-tailoring and/or bringing their own FW models, thus buying into the very sales trick that FW uses: creating models that are only truly countered by other FW models.

They must not have Imperial Knights where you play. Because that's the only 'arms race' I've ever seen.

Buh Dum Tis

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Its because there are very few models in the FW line that are actually appropriately priced.

I think the guy over reacted, but its not a abnormal reaction.

I'd argue it goes even further than this. GW has not been able (or willing) to provide anything approaching a level game experience for several editions, with the highlight being the initial release of Age of Sigmar which relied completely on players self-policing to establish a good game. The problem is that this removes the neutral arbiter, the rules writers, that players can rely on to remove personal bias to make the game fair for everyone involved.

You'll never weed out every instance of what's described in the OP, but the absence of such a neutral authority is a fertile breeding ground for a multitude of personal biases. In an established group it's not necessarily terrible. For pick-up games it's hell, though.

It's easy to jump on this guy because anti-FW bias has a long history and is, to a degree, silly. We can't really judge where it stems from, though. Blind hatred for FW? Or ample experience being or feeling cheated with FW models involved? Or something else entirely? Could be anything. A complete overreaction or perfectly justified.

At my local store, ten, fifteen years ago, nobody thought of declining a game in such a way. Game balance lamentations were few and generally limited to two or three undeniable power lists, with people happily playing against any but those without complaints. Since 7th ed, and with 8th ed and Age of Sigmar now, there's no end to the complaints about balance and lack of fairness. And not just from the losers, but often the winners as well. Two Eldar players refused to play their army because of how stupidly powerful they were. One player was pretty down finding out that his new army was so powerful it wasn't fun for anyone involved, and he didn't really have an idea what to do about it other than just not play it anymore. I've seen games where after rolling for first turn one side completely tuned out because they knew the game was over.

In that context I can understand a strong desire to rectify what GW has royally bollocksed up, for the love of the game and all the money and time invested in one's miniatures. Whether a complete Forge World ban helps that end is, as far as I'm concerned, more than questionable, but I see in it desperation more than spite or pettiness. Simple desperation to salvage the game one loves.

As such I wouldn't judge too harshly. It's not always a neckbeard or manchild at work. Sometimes it's just good intentions and bad execution.

SonofSlamguinius wrote:
I think Leviathans are very competitive, but not unreasonable. But they are beautiful models, and they're one of my dream projects. Personally, I think it's quite disappointing to have an opponent give an ultimatum like that, I'd love to play against something I'd never seen even if there were a chance I'd get my back broken over it. Of course, I think you did the sporting thing.

The fact remains that a Levi dread makes the entire space marine codex invalid. It might not be overpowered compared to the most powerful codex - but it is hands down better than EVERYTHING in the space marine codex.

I personally wouldn't refuse to play it. I can understand why someone would though.

Actually the problem is twofold in my opinion:

1. The FW rules are inconsistent as all hell, basically the model is either broken (Malefic Lord spam, Phantomseerlords shenannigans, Sicarians,etc) or just inexistent, that is atleast how it is percived.
Since FW is relatively expensive, people tend to only play those really effective units, that are either borderline broken or are broken. Naturally stuff that isn't great or fair will then mostlikely in most cases not be used.

Take for exemple a R&H army, most units in the R&H aresnal are plain and simple worse then IG / CSM. A properly fluffed out one at that (not just Tank, Marauder, Psykerspam). Most of the contents of that list and many other FW lists are more in the department of Meh to just bad.

Enter Malefic lords, which were spammed as an additional detachment. So most people saw only one unit, which was broken btw. and basically got the impression that FW R&H is inherently OP / unbalanced.

Frankly you can't fault them to be wary (especially FW experimental rules are just insane sometimes), but for players that just want a fluffy more esoteric army, or were a fan of the "Lost and the Damned" and therefore did run a R&H list it is incredibly annoying.

2. FW and GW, even tho beeing basically the same company and releasing models for the same gamesystem really lack communication.
Again for exemple let us compare R&H with IG troops:
8th edition
IG Guardsmen 4 pts as a baseline, 3-s everywhere except armor save, that is a 5+ and hitpoints.

FW milita 4 pts aswell, however 5+ BS/WS and 6+ Armor.
basically worse in all stats that matter.

Even worse were and to a degree still are Cultists.
In R&H, before the CA, Cultists were 5 pts each, the equivalent unit in the CSM Codex is 4 Pts. Now with CA they got a point reduction, however did they fix the Squadsize?
No. R&H max size is 30, CSM is 40.
Basically they can't even Copy and Paste eachother properly.

Summa Sumarum:
FW get's percived as OP / Imbalanced, because a bunch of "That Guys" spam certain units or abuse certain rules.

 Geifer wrote:
As such I wouldn't judge too harshly. It's not always a neckbeard or manchild at work. Sometimes it's just good intentions and bad execution.

Yeah, but also I gotta say this- it is 2018. The rules for literally every Forge World model are available to you with a few keystrokes. There is absolutely no excuse for being 'unfamiliar' with the rules in this era, and additionally- the player using the model has the rules, you don't have to be 'familiar' with them to play them. Just ask to see what they do, it's not hard. Or, you know, pull out your phone and look it up yourself.

Now, had this guy said something like, "All I got is some basic bolter dudes and nothing that can deal with that" then it'd be fine, but he explicitly stated "No Forge World".

To the OP, I say this: Unless someone can give you a reason why you can't use a certain model, you should use them and love every minute of them. Don't let old fuddy-duddies at the FLGS make you feel like you shouldn't have the model you want to play. If a TO says "No Forge World", he's an incompetent TO.

I'm personally sick of the whining Oldhammer babies that won't let go of the dead version of 40k they played.

Not Online!!! wrote:
1. The FW rules are inconsistent as all hell, basically the model is either broken... Sicarians,etc)...

If you can't deal with a Sicaran, then you've got other problems, friend- and none of them are in Nottingham.

This is silly.

Forge World, especially now, tends to be worse than their GW counterparts point-for-point.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
This is silly.

Forge World, especially now, tends to be worse than their GW counterparts point-for-point.

Most all anti-FW arguments boil down to someone being ass-mad because a Space Marine player has a decent tank on the table.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
This is silly.

Forge World, especially now, tends to be worse than their GW counterparts point-for-point.

Most all anti-FW arguments boil down to someone being ass-mad because a Space Marine player has a decent tank on the table.

There is an SM tank from Forge World that is decent? I suppose the Sicaran is 'decent'.... that's about the only one I can think of.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
There is an SM tank from Forge World that is decent? I suppose the Sicaran is 'decent'.... that's about the only one I can think of.

That's the only one I've seen people wheezing and getting their panties in a bunch over.

I am playing in a 7th edition Horus Heresy campaign with only a thousand points. Everyone except me seems to have at least a Contemptor, and there are more than one Leviathan. Without one of your own, it is just not fun.

Having said that, in 8th Ed, and considering the rest of your list, I think it is a bit OTT to ask you to remove. When he downsized his list, did you get to decide what to remove from his army, or did he choose for himself what to take out of it?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
There is an SM tank from Forge World that is decent? I suppose the Sicaran is 'decent'.... that's about the only one I can think of.

That's the only one I've seen people wheezing and getting their panties in a bunch over.

That surprises me, if only because the Sicaran can be best described as "adequate", as in, "taking one won't actively harm your chances of victory compared to an alternative." Hardly whine-worthy.

As someone who plays a superheavy list, I perhaps have a skewed look at how tanks work in 40k. But I don't think Sicarans are that exciting.

Actually the Sicarian was OP, at it's introduction. However my point still stands, that it is mostly a problem of perspecitve.
Granted they seem to be able to learn and reblance stuff, it just takes a while for them it seems.
Quite frankly a more hands on public display and more testing would do some wonders in that regard, not only for FW but also for GW.......

Another major factor is how including FW expands the scope and complexity of the game into something that, to me at least, is a total mess.

I have a pretty good grasp of what each (GW line) army in the game can do, what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Basicly each army has an identity that I am familar with.

Enter FW. Now everyone suddenly seems to get access to everything. And I do not like that.

For example the Chaos I know from GW runs the CSM lineup consisting of antiquated power armor and tanks, with some demon machines and demons accompanying them.
But with FW, they suddenly can field all kinds of modern flyers, tanks and cybots that I would associate with loyal marines.
Worse, they can now field basicly everything that is IG, including their tank lineup and super heavies.


Giving everyone access to everything in some form or another via the FW cataloge is not making the game better.
That's not about how each unit on their own is broken, or not. But throwing them all over the place and putting them in different armies destroys the internal balance and identity of those armies.
Well and then there are those insanly broken units FW puts out from time to time as well, those do not help either.

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HMint wrote:
Another major factor is how including FW expands the scope and complexity of the game into something that, to me at least, is a total mess.

I have a pretty good grasp of what each (GW line) army in the game can do, what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Basicly each army has an identity that I am familar with.

Enter FW. Now everyone suddenly everyone seems to get access to everything. And I do not like that.

Firstly: Baserules are the same, there is often literally no expansion whatsoever in mechanics, basically just additional armies with some new rules, often times just variations of existing ones (DK, Elysians, R&H are basically just IG variations, Corsairs are Eldar, etc.)

Secondly : No, not everybody get's access to everything, only certain armies did so in the past, however with the whole introduction of detachments that is and was even easier to circumvent. If anything blame GW for that one.

HMint wrote:
Another major factor is how including FW expands the scope and complexity of the game into something that, to me at least, is a total mess.

I have a pretty good grasp of what each (GW line) army in the game can do, what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Basicly each army has an identity that I am familar with.

Enter FW. Now everyone suddenly everyone seems to get access to everything. And I do not like that.

For example the Chaos I know from GW runs the CSM lineup consisting of antiquated power armor and tanks, with some demon machines and demons accompanying them.
But with FW, they suddenly can field all kinds of modern flyers, tanks and cybots that I would associate with loyal marines.
Worse, they can now field basicly everything that is IG, including their tank lineup and super heavies.


Giving everyone access to everything in some form or another via the FW cataloge is not making the game better.
That's not about how each unit on their own is broken, or not. But throwing them all over the place and putting them in different armies destroys the internal balance and identity of those armies.
Well and then there are those insanly broken units FW puts out from time to time as well, those do not help either.

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"Giving everyone access to everything?" What does that even mean?

To me, the Chaos lineup has been "Loyalists, but with daemons."
FW is merely continuing the trend with their stuff. The Renegades and Heretics bit is actually unplayably bad right now because it doesn't get hardly anything from IG - no superheavies other than the mediocre Baneblade (i.e. not the Shadowsword), no Hades, no Malcador Annhilators or Infernuses, no Tauroxes... I could go on, but to say they have "everything that is IG" is disingenuous or misinformed in the extreme.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

HMint wrote:
Another major factor is how including FW expands the scope and complexity of the game into something that, to me at least, is a total mess.

I have a pretty good grasp of what each (GW line) army in the game can do, what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Basicly each army has an identity that I am familar with.

Enter FW. Now everyone suddenly everyone seems to get access to everything. And I do not like that.

For example the Chaos I know from GW runs the CSM lineup consisting of antiquated power armor and tanks, with some demon machines and demons accompanying them.
But with FW, they suddenly can field all kinds of modern flyers, tanks and cybots that I would associate with loyal marines.
Worse, they can now field basicly everything that is IG, including their tank lineup and super heavies.


Giving everyone access to everything in some form or another via the FW cataloge is not making the game better.
That's not about how each unit on their own is broken, or not. But throwing them all over the place and putting them in different armies destroys the internal balance and identity of those armies.
Well and then there are those insanly broken units FW puts out from time to time as well, those do not help either.

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"Giving everyone access to everything?" What does that even mean?

To me, the Chaos lineup has been "Loyalists, but with daemons."
FW is merely continuing the trend with their stuff. The Renegades and Heretics bit is actually unplayably bad right now because it doesn't get hardly anything from IG - no superheavies other than the mediocre Baneblade (i.e. not the Shadowsword), no Hades, no Malcador Annhilators or Infernuses, no Tauroxes... I could go on, but to say they have "everything that is IG" is disingenuous or misinformed in the extreme.

That is simply because those are the models that FW have.
So they will put out rules for a model they happen to have, with no regards how that affects the balance of the game. If they came out with chaos shadowsword conversion kit tomorrow that thing would suddenly pop up in some demon army the next day, totally legal.
That is an argument against FW, not for.


And 'giving everyone access to everything' means exactly that:
(GW) Chaos does not have access to artillery tanks (other than DeathGuard?), but now they do thanks to FW.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to bombers, but now they do.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to drop pods, now they do.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to flying transports, now they do.

Sure, not each exact unit is available, but do you see how every options seems to get covered by FW somehow?

I wouldn't go and say unplayable in the case of R&H, however you can and will bring fully maxed out lists and still get beaten by turn 3-5 because of morale and other unlucky stuff, even by certain fun lists.
("in it for the money" fail after one guy droped out a valkyrie the wrong way and the whole squad runs because Jack couldn't figure out how to open his parachute.Sometimes hillariously funny)
Also since the anti soup rule we lost access to Deamons or Deamon engines because we do not get the CSM Keyword.



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HMint wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

HMint wrote:
Another major factor is how including FW expands the scope and complexity of the game into something that, to me at least, is a total mess.

I have a pretty good grasp of what each (GW line) army in the game can do, what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Basicly each army has an identity that I am familar with.

Enter FW. Now everyone suddenly everyone seems to get access to everything. And I do not like that.

For example the Chaos I know from GW runs the CSM lineup consisting of antiquated power armor and tanks, with some demon machines and demons accompanying them.
But with FW, they suddenly can field all kinds of modern flyers, tanks and cybots that I would associate with loyal marines.
Worse, they can now field basicly everything that is IG, including their tank lineup and super heavies.


Giving everyone access to everything in some form or another via the FW cataloge is not making the game better.
That's not about how each unit on their own is broken, or not. But throwing them all over the place and putting them in different armies destroys the internal balance and identity of those armies.
Well and then there are those insanly broken units FW puts out from time to time as well, those do not help either.

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"Giving everyone access to everything?" What does that even mean?

To me, the Chaos lineup has been "Loyalists, but with daemons."
FW is merely continuing the trend with their stuff. The Renegades and Heretics bit is actually unplayably bad right now because it doesn't get hardly anything from IG - no superheavies other than the mediocre Baneblade (i.e. not the Shadowsword), no Hades, no Malcador Annhilators or Infernuses, no Tauroxes... I could go on, but to say they have "everything that is IG" is disingenuous or misinformed in the extreme.

That is simply because those are the models that FW have.
So they will put out rules for a model they happen to have, with no regards how that affects the balance of the game. If they came out with chaos shadowsword conversion kit tomorrow that thing would suddenly pop up in some demon army the next day, totally legal.
That is an argument against FW, not for.

Again: they do Balnce stuff, most stuff is so bad it isn't played.
I will cede the point that normal deamon armies should not get access to such tanks but CSM / R&H which are either turned IG or PDF's with stockpiles should not?
Also since when does a perfectly balanced tank destroy the whole balance of the game when it sits at the other side of the table?
Isn't it then unbalanced as a whole?
Also isn't the Shadowsword a Baneblade and therefore a GW tank?
Maybee it is GW that is failing at balancing moreso than FW which mostly provides fluffy stuff?

Banville wrote:
Hi guys and gals,

I'm just going to relate this in order to see how prevalent people think this attitude is and whether it's considered generally reasonable.

I was away recently and brought my army. Conferences are boring and I thought I'd look up a GW/Gaming group to break the evening hotel monotony.

Anyhoo, I found a store and someone who wanted a game. My army consists of 30 tacs, 2 Assault Squads, Drop pods, various characters, 10 Devs, 10 assault termies and a single Leviathan with Siege claw and Drill. Ravenguard tactics.

As soon as I took out the Leviathan, this particular guy said he refuses to play against FW. It wasn't even store policy.

I hardly felt a single Leviathan, comprising the total heavy armour of my army was game-breaking.

Thoughts?

Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

Not everyone accepts FW, so, it's a good idea to ask if you're allowed to bring FW beforehand. Usually it's not a problem if you don't abuse it. But sometimes it is.

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

No, only the manchildren. What else- can I throw a tantrum over Robby G? Baneblades? Knights?

I bought models for me to enjoy. I shouldn't have to change them because some manbaby doesn't like it. There are always better players.

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

Why didn't the other player be more reasonable and allow the OP to use a completely legal supported model in a game?
Why should the OP have to compromise and effectively play 'house rules' to placate someone when he's doing nothing that isn't utterly a part of 40K?

I just don't feel, or see, why he can be viewed as the 'unreasonable' party here. FW models are a part of the game - you simply don't get to change the game to suit yourself (outside of your own group or store where agreed upon) and expect others to kowtow to you quite honestly.

I'm rather in the same boat here, for two reasons.

I used to play a guy who ran 2x Leviathans, Redemptor and 3x Predators, all backed up by Guilliman. Wasn't fun in the slightest. After a few games I asked if he could try something else, to which he agreed that yes, it was rather OP and he wanted to try something new anyway. No harm done, unlike the guy in the OP I didn't flat out refuse as soon as I saw a Leviathan, I tried to take it on a few times and failed.

Additionally I've just bought a Leviathan, planning to run it with my RG, pretty similar force as described in OP, and am a bit curious as to how people will react. Overall however I'm very much against the whole "you must have opponent's permission to use this", or "I'm not playing if you're using that because Forge World". As mentioned previously in this thread there are individuals who will just refuse permission out of jealousy.

Yes, there's a number of overpowered FW units, but there's an even greater number of ones which are just piss-poor. Malcadors are a prime example. I've been using a Valdor in my Guard, one of those things which are just fun instead of competitive and the only complaint I've had was when it blew up on 2+ and killed Asterion Moloc, besides that it's a rather mediocre unit. Same with the Titans; they're damn tough and will annihilate whatever they look at, but they can only target 2-3 things at a time. Warhounds shot up in price from 750 to between 1500-2000, for something that can only target 2 units. Not all FW stuff is overpowered crap, some of it is just...crap.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

No, only the manchildren. What else- can I throw a tantrum over Robby G? Baneblades? Knights?

I bought models for me to enjoy. I shouldn't have to change them because some manbaby doesn't like it. There are always better players.

So why do you waste time with these guys? Play with your buddies and you´ll never have any issues whatsoever. But when you do pick-up games, you will get to know new people who won´t have the same opinion as you about the game.

 Strg Alt wrote:


So why do you waste time with these guys? Play with your buddies and you´ll never have any issues whatsoever. But when you do pick-up games, you will get to know new people who won´t have the same opinion as you about the game.

But while opinions differ, the rules don't. FW world models are part of 40K. No opinion should supersede the base rules of the game. At least not outside of a private environment you control - do what you like there.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

No, only the manchildren. What else- can I throw a tantrum over Robby G? Baneblades? Knights?

I bought models for me to enjoy. I shouldn't have to change them because some manbaby doesn't like it. There are always better players.

You know you aren't exactly strengthening your side's argument with name calling stranger who can't defend their side of the story. I didn't care that much one way or the other before this thread. However, seeing the resulting responses pro to allowing FW models, I am less inclined to play a PUG with a list that has one or more. I am already uncomfortable with adding units that aren't listed in regular codices. I likely don't know my opponent from Adam so I don't know why if they are the sort try to pull a fast one. While there are rules and Forge World has a page on DW's site there is a very clear distinction between the two lines. Additionally, the inclusion of Forge World models can open up a whole pandora's box I might regret later. I think it is far to consider Forge World inclusion the exception not the rule and as such does require permission to field.

So congratulations I guess, you (along with similar posts) made another anti-Forge World player.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

No, only the manchildren. What else- can I throw a tantrum over Robby G? Baneblades? Knights?

I bought models for me to enjoy. I shouldn't have to change them because some manbaby doesn't like it. There are always better players.

So why do you waste time with these guys? Play with your buddies and you´ll never have any issues whatsoever. But when you do pick-up games, you will get to know new people who won´t have the same opinion as you about the game.

Generally, it is my opinion that when playing a pick-up game, all normal rules for the game are used, and all you should discuss beforehand are rules that are not clear. Whether or not a Leviathan Dreadnought exists and should be used is not unclear, therefore, I generally assume it would be allowed to be used, since "following the basic rules" is generally okay for a pickup game.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:


Why didn´t you change the FW dreadnought for a regular one? You could have had a game that day, if you had done so. FW stuff just has a bad reputation among a lot of players.

No, only the manchildren. What else- can I throw a tantrum over Robby G? Baneblades? Knights?

I bought models for me to enjoy. I shouldn't have to change them because some manbaby doesn't like it. There are always better players.

You know you aren't exactly strengthening your side's argument with name calling stranger who can't defend their side of the story. I didn't care that much one way or the other before this thread. However, seeing the resulting responses pro to allowing FW models, I am less inclined to play a PUG with a list that has one or more. I am already uncomfortable with adding units that aren't listed in regular codices. I likely don't know my opponent from Adam so I don't know why if they are the sort try to pull a fast one. While there are rules and Forge World has a page on DW's site there is a very clear distinction between the two lines. Additionally, the inclusion of Forge World models can open up a whole pandora's box I might regret later. I think it is far to consider Forge World inclusion the exception not the rule and as such does require permission to field.

So congratulations I guess, you (along with similar posts) made another anti-Forge World player.

Great, whilest i agree that was not very civil way of conduct, your argument for this is atleast equally bad: "Because somebody said something not nice i now have to throw all the people that play with those armies in the same bin"
10 /10 logic.

HMint wrote:

And 'giving everyone access to everything' means exactly that:
(GW) Chaos does not have access to artillery tanks (other than DeathGuard?), but now they do thanks to FW.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to bombers, but now they do.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to drop pods, now they do.
(GW) Chaos does not have access to flying transports, now they do.

Sure, not each exact unit is available, but do you see how every options seems to get covered by FW somehow?

Can you explain to me how "Chaos gets its options expanded by Forge World" is the same as "everyone gets everything?"

Do Dark Eldar get artillery tanks from Forge World?
Do Harlequins get bombers from Forge World?
Do Tau have Drop Pods from Forge World?
Do Orks get Flying Transports from Forge World?

"Expanding the chaos range with further options" is not the same thing as "willy-nilly giving things to everyone." Because a common complaint about Chaos is "they should have loyalist things" considering that they used to be loyalists, routinely loot loyalist stuff, and include recent loyalists-turned-traitor in their ranks. Giving Chaos options to reflect things that GW has stupidly neglected is not the same thing as "giving everyone everything."

And if Chaos got the Shadowsword through R&H and suddenly the R&H shadowsword started popping up everywhere (while the R&H baneblade just kinda sits stupidly), perhaps the problem is GW's interpretation of the Shadowsword rather than FW's allowing other people to take it. The Baneblade's not been a problem.