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**EnTyme**

I doubt battalion points will count toward extra CP from points. Hopefully we'll get to see more about the CP formula in the next week or two.

**Lord Kragan**

auticus wrote:
a battalion is not strictly spending points on an actual unit.

About that...

I THINK that for practical purposes the ruleset will conclude that batallions are points spent on units.

**NinthMusketeer**

Lord Kragan wrote:
auticus wrote:
a battalion is not strictly spending points on an actual unit.

About that...

I THINK that for practical purposes the ruleset will conclude that batallions are points spent on units.

Cmon, you know people will try to argue that being italicized means it's not a unit.

**drbored**

Are people trying to fudge the rules, even though everyone knows full well how they're supposed to work, or making grand assumptions about changes even though we've heard nothing about such changes taking place yet?

Good ol' Warhammer community.

**auticus**

Yep. They sure are.

**auticus**

Nervous to see what happens today with tzeentch in regards to summoning. I have a bad feeling summoning may become the busted that it was before.

**Vash108**

auticus wrote:
Nervous to see what happens today with tzeentch in regards to summoning. I have a bad feeling summoning may become the busted that it was before.

You mean just being able to summoning things without having paid for them?

**Future War Cultist**

What did they say they were doing with summoning again?

**auticus**

Vash108 wrote:
auticus wrote:
Nervous to see what happens today with tzeentch in regards to summoning. I have a bad feeling summoning may become the busted that it was before.

You mean just being able to summoning things without having paid for them?

Right. So we know how nurgle and khorne work already by generating a tithe. Slaanesh has depravity points. This system can be ok provided an army doesn't have an easily farmable source of points that can be spammed to summon out the wazoo again. For example, if an army generates points by simply casting spells, then a player would just show up with max casters and start farming points and free summoning.

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Future War Cultist wrote:
What did they say they were doing with summoning again?

The nurgle book, khorne book, and legions of nagash all have different ways to summon that have their own rules for generating points before you can summon. Legion of Nagash uses grave sites.

**Future War Cultist**

Oh I see. That’s actually pretty good. Very fluffy. I take it Khorne used Blood Tithe points? Would totally make sense; spilt blood attracts the demons of Khorne and all that jazz.

**Tiberius501**

Are rules ever updated in FAQ's? I'd love for 2nd edition to make Khorne Mighty Skullcrushers worth taking

**Mr Morden**

Knight wrote:

Spoiler:

Floating prison pylons?

Elf Monoliths have always looked like that - they used them to control the warp energy entering the Old World and here using similar devices to contain Slaaanesh whilst they pull souls out of it.

It was the Elf Gods Tyrion, Teclis and Malarion plus Morathi and a number of mortal sorcerers who created them.

**Future War Cultist**

Wait, is that the shadow of Slaanesh I see all chained up by those monoliths?

**Kanluwen**

Future War Cultist wrote:
Wait, is that the shadow of Slaanesh I see all chained up by those monoliths?

Yes.

The Pylons were constructed by the Twins and Malerion to imprison Slaanesh while they retrieve the Aelf souls.

**Ghaz**

Magic: Casting & Unbinding

**Hanskrampf**

Ghaz wrote:
Magic: Casting & Unbinding

So we get spell lores for each Mortal Realm? This seems pretty cool.
I also like the changed 'old' spells. Looking at the Nurgle and Nagash battletomes, there were a few spells that also did D3 mortal wounds but had a higher casting value than Arcane Bolt and made them kinda pointless. Now I see why they aren't.

**auticus**

They started that in the realmgate books. We had realm specific spells. Problem was... no one wanted to buy those books so very few knew about those spells lol.

The toning down of arcane bolt and shield are great IMO. Anything that helps remove 2++ saves will always get a big thumbs up from me.

Banishment looks fun as well I'm looking forward to seeing all realms have their own time of war rules that are accessible to everyone instead of being in realmgate books that no one wanted to buy.

**Skimask Mohawk**

Banishment looks crazy, I assume its meant to say more than 24"?

**Kanluwen**

auticus wrote:
They started that in the realmgate books. We had realm specific spells. Problem was... no one wanted to buy those books so very few knew about those spells lol.

The other reason is that those Realm specific rules also heavily favored certain armies/builds. The two that were in the main rulebook were Realm of Fire and Life.
Realm of Fire prevented ranged armies from dominating(I always made sure that we did Realm of Fire whenever I was doing demo games for new players and using my Wanderers) and Realm of Life made Nurgle stuff super irritating while punishing basically everyone else.

It shocked a lot of people that there even was rules for that stuff in the BRB.

The toning down of arcane bolt and shield are great IMO. Anything that helps remove 2++ saves will always get a big thumbs up from me.

Banishment looks fun as well I'm looking forward to seeing all realms have their own time of war rules that are accessible to everyone instead of being in realmgate books that no one wanted to buy.

Most of them are in GHB now.

**Skimask Mohawk**

The thing is, I can see people opting to not play in a specific realm just to avoid the swinginess of the new spells. Guess it depends on how deciding on which realm to play in goes; they've been pretty good with toning down the broken stuff so far so I'm content to wait and see

**Kanluwen**

Skimask Mohawk wrote:
Banishment looks crazy, I assume its meant to say more than 24"?

Correct. Just remember though that Banishment is only able to be used when playing games in the Realm of Light.

Currently, the rules from GHB2017 for Realm of Light's "Plain of Sigils" has the following traits:

Domain of Symmetry and Purity: Subtract 1 from the Bravery of all Daemon and Death units.
Dazzling Glow: Subtract 1 from hit rolls for attacks made against enemy units that are in cover.
Speed of Light: Roll a dice in your hero phase. On a roll of 6, you can pick one friendly unit from your army. Remove all of the models in the unit from the battlefield and then set up the unit anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" away from an enemy model. This counts as the unit's move for the following movement phase.
Pha's Protection: Wizards in the Plain of Sigils can use the Pha's Protection spell in addition to any other spells that they can use. Casting value of 5. If successfully cast, select a visible friendly unit within 18" of the caster. You can reroll save rolls for that unit until the caster's next hero phase.

It looks like GHB2017 brought in a few spots for us to 'trial', with us getting more areas to play around in with rules specific to those areas along with some generic rules for the realm proper.

The thing is, I can see people opting to not play in a specific realm just to avoid the swinginess of the new spells. Guess it depends on how deciding on which realm to play in goes; they've been pretty good with toning down the broken stuff so far so I'm content to wait and see

I could see that, but at the same time...if the rules for other parts of it would cripple/annoy their opponent a bit more I could see them opting to risk it.

If Hysh gets to have "Dazzling Glow" as a permanent fixture, for example, I could see Idoneth players really opting for Hysh as a go to against other armies.

**Future War Cultist**

I like these modified spells. It makes total sense for the generic ones to be pretty basic, and if it encourages people to use the warscroll spells more then great.

**Knight**

Skimask Mohawk wrote:
The thing is, I can see people opting to not play in a specific realm just to avoid the swinginess of the new spells. Guess it depends on how deciding on which realm to play in goes; they've been pretty good with toning down the broken stuff so far so I'm content to wait and see

I'm interested to see the new generic artifacts, traits and what they've done to the wizards. Would be nice, if every wizard would come with a counter-spell scroll like the new Stormcast has.

My second thought is that a Hallowhearth army could be rather interesting in new edition.

Kanluwen wrote:The Pylons were constructed by the Twins and Malerion to imprison Slaanesh while they retrieve the Aelf souls.

I love how you capitalized pylons. These are no ordinary pylons we're seeing. I'll see myself out.

**auticus**

I like them because when running narrative campaigns it gives the campaign more flavor.

As far as pick up games or random opponents in tournaments, I'd probably not bother. Unless the TO set his tournament in a specific realm.

**NinthMusketeer**

auticus wrote:
I like them because when running narrative campaigns it gives the campaign more flavor.

As far as pick up games or random opponents in tournaments, I'd probably not bother. Unless the TO set his tournament in a specific realm.

Same here.

**Mr Morden**

Kanluwen wrote:
Future War Cultist wrote:
Wait, is that the shadow of Slaanesh I see all chained up by those monoliths?

Yes.

The Pylons were constructed by the Twins and Malerion to imprison Slaanesh while they retrieve the Aelf souls.

plus Morathi and a number of mortal sorcerers

**auticus**

Well... the banishment spell already has some gotchas.

Its possible to use Banishment to daisy chain the enemy unit and intersperse it 1" from other enemy units to prevent any of them from being able to move (assuming the movement rules are the same)

**Skimask Mohawk**

Back to the neutral realm of normal

**Vash108**

I think the different realms could be fun. Maybe if they added some negatives to the bonuses one would get. Like your spells may be more powerful but it may just be a bit too powerful where it is possible to have a miscast due to the overwhelming power you are trying to harness being on that realm?

**Kanluwen**

Vash108 wrote:
I think the different realms could be fun. Maybe if they added some negatives to the bonuses one would get. Like your spells may be more powerful but it may just be a bit too powerful where it is possible to have a miscast due to the overwhelming power you are trying to harness being on that realm?

Take a look at the Realm rules as they exist now in GHB sometime. There's benefits and drawbacks.