Alpharius wrote:

Spoiler:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Interesting. I didn't think Massive Darkness was well received (the rules at least). But maybe it sold better than I thought it had.

...yeah, the rules were a hot mess.

They weren't great, especially the hastily tacked on 'campaign rules', but the art direction was good, the miniatures were very good, and...

1 Zombicide Green Horde - 5,000,000
2 Rising Sun - 4,200,000
3 Zombicide Black Plague - 4,100,000
4 Bloodbourne - 4,000,000
5 Zombicide Invader - 3,600,000
6 Massive Darkness - 3,600,000
7 Zombicide 2nd Edition - 3,400,000
8 Ankh - 3,300,000
9 Marvel United - 2,900,000
10 Zombicide 3 - 2,800,000
11 Cthulhu DMD - 2,400,000
12 Zombicide 2 - 2,300,000
13 Arcadia Quest Inferno - 1,700,000
14 Song of Ice and Fire - 1,700,000
15 Hate - 1,500,000
16 Zombicide 1 - 780,000

Money talks!

(Note: List hastily assembled and numbers rounded up!)

I guess I'm more surprised we're not getting another Zombicide (X), especially when you look at the Top 15 money makers for them.

I threw in a bonus number 16 entry, to show the humble beginnings of the Zombicide Franchise.

It was interesting to see the oft maligned Zombicide Invader doing so well - I didn't remember that, but I wonder how well a sequel would do?

I'm guessing "fairly well"...

I'm looking forward to MD 2 though, and hopefully the rules are cleaned up, polished and reach back into the first campaign too!

 Alpharius wrote:
Getting the post to roll over...

 Alpharius wrote:

Spoiler:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Interesting. I didn't think Massive Darkness was well received (the rules at least). But maybe it sold better than I thought it had.

...yeah, the rules were a hot mess.

They weren't great, especially the hastily tacked on 'campaign rules', but the art direction was good, the miniatures were very good, and...

1 Zombicide Green Horde - 5,000,000
2 Rising Sun - 4,200,000
3 Zombicide Black Plague - 4,100,000
4 Bloodbourne - 4,000,000
5 Zombicide Invader - 3,600,000
6 Massive Darkness - 3,600,000
7 Zombicide 2 - 3,400,000
8 Ankh - 3,300,000
9 Marvel United - 2,900,000
10 Zombicide 3 - 2,800,000
11 Cthulhu DMD - 2,400,000
12 Zombicide 2 - 2,300,000
13 Arcadia Quest Inferno - 1,700,000
14 Song of Ice and Fire - 1,700,000
15 Hate - 1,500,000
16 Zombicide 1 - 780,000

Money talks!

(Note: List hastily assembled and numbers rounded up!)

I guess I'm more surprised we're not getting another Zombicide (X), especially when you look at the Top 15 money makers for them.

I threw in a bonus number 16 entry, to show the humble beginnings of the Zombicide Franchise.

It was interesting to see the oft maligned Zombicide Invader doing so well - I didn't remember that, but I wonder how well a sequel would do?

I'm guessing "fairly well"...

I'm looking forward to MD 2 though, and hopefully the rules are cleaned up, polished and reach back into the first campaign too!

My list was just the "Top 15", and I only threw in Zombicide 1 because it was interesting to see where it all began...

More info is good though!

Also, Massive Darkness as their 5th (tied!) most lucrative KS helps when it comes to figuring out "Why a part 2?"

Aeneades wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
So is Europe getting missed out for some reason?

"Masters of the Universe: The Board Game in North America, South America and throughout Asia"

Licensing issues, most likely that someone already has the MOTU board game licence in Europe. Similar issues have popped up with Star Wars and Marvel comics in the past.

 Theophony wrote:
I just hope they make some of the packs available again. The rats and saurians were always sold out or unavailable. The elementals were hard to come by as well. It would be great if there were more of the evil dwarves and barbarian designs.

 Moopy wrote:
MD2?

 Alpharius wrote:
Plus I think it was hard on the heels of an actual 'real' Zombicide Kickstarter too?

 Theophony wrote:
I passed on Night of the living dead KS because if your going to resin a zombie game you don’t do it as a zombie game in a similar genre. I wasn’t a huge fan of the movies, so no need to collect the things.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Glad to see more Massive Darkness (hope we get more evil gnomes) as I found it a fun romp

I think one of the reasons it got such criticism on release was it was never intended to have a campaign system as written but due to demand in during the KS (not unexpected people always want to 'improve' their characters in dungeon crawlers) they bolted one on (and of course it wasn't particularly great)

so it was criticised for a weak campaign mode. If they've had time to actually think about it properly I hope this has been improved substantially (and in a way the original game can also benefit from)

Welcome to Massive Darkness 2! Ten years have passed since the Lightbringers drove back the hordes of the Darkness and sealed the Portal from whence they came. The heroes thought their job done, but the newfound peace was never meant to last. Dangerous new Portals have suddenly opened up all across the land. The Darkness and its hordes are flooding through, stronger than ever. It will not be enough to simply close the Portals this time. The Lightbringers must travel through them into the unknown to destroy the Darkness once and for all. Either Light will triumph, or the Darkness will consume every being in the world. This is where players find themselves in Massive Darkness 2, a new edition of the hit dungeon-crawler game. Let’s take a look at a few of the exciting changes players can expect!

For Massive Darkness 2, the game designers took a long, hard look at every aspect of the game, listening intensively to gamer feedback from hundreds hours of gameplay. The goal of the designers was to improve every element of the game to create the ultimate dungeon-crawler-in-a-box. As such, they’ve reevaluated every rule, every mechanic, and basically everything else about how the game works, stripping it down to its foundation and then rebuilding the ruleset, stronger and better. The game still retains the classic, cooperative, dungeon-crawl feel, but with optimized gameplay for a smoother tabletop experience.

The changes to the gameplay are many, so we’ll start by highlighting a few that we’re the most excited about. The first things returning players will notice are the changes made to the individual Lightbringers in the game. Each hero class plays extremely differently from the others, each with their own components, setup, and gameplay style. The goal was to make the every hero character feel truly different and asymmetrical. This means that simply playing a different hero will greatly change a player’s experience from game to game. Attempting the same scenario with a different character will provide brand new challenges and survival options for players.

Next, monsters have been revamped from the ground up, and now even minions can deal some major damage. Additionally, like in the original Massive Darkness, enemies will use the gear that they carry, which players can win in battle. But now gear is divided between Common, Rare, Epic and Legendary, some with truly awesome powers… if players can defeat the monsters and take it for themselves. Bosses are a new class of enemy, and each will come with their own dashboard, tokens, and set of rules. Roaming Monsters are still found within the dungeons, lurking behind corners to catch Lightbringers unaware. Roaming Monsters and Bosses are very plug-and-play within the game. For a new challenge in any scenario, players simply trade out what enemies they may encounter for new ones as they traverse the dark, twisting corridors.

Light to Fight the Darkness
The core box of the game will feature 10 one-shot missions. However, we know from experience that many players enjoy being able to string missions together, so we’re so excited to reveal an amazing addition to the Massive Darkness world: a fully realized campaign mode which will be available as a Day 1 expansion. These rules will introduce a narrative campaign that will test players’ skills over many game sessions. This was one of the most requested changes to the original Massive Darkness, and we’ve read and heard all the feedback. These new campaign rules have been developed from the ground up to be more balanced than before and perfectly meld with all the other changes that are coming in Massive Darkness 2.

Over the course of multiple branching missions, players will face countless dangers, and discover incredible secrets about what’s really behind the Darkness and the Portals. Heroes will grow from Level 1 to Level 10, gaining access to new powers, including Hybrid Skills letting them tap into more than one specialization, and having the chance to find and wield Legendary equipment. Depending on their choices, players might enlist the aid of useful NPCs, gain different gear, and could even fundamentally change their own nature. The campaign rules can even be applied to scenarios from Massive Darkness 2, turning one-shot missions into a campaign, making the gameplay and roleplay possibilities endless.

Massive Darkness 2 is more than just a small revamp of the original. It has been completely redesigned, implementing many of the changes people have been asking for since the original release. We can’t wait to show you more.

Stay tuned as we get closer to the launch of the Kickstarter campaign. We'll post more previews of the game, insights from the designers, and reveal more exciting gameplay changes. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter!