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2018/05/16 19:48:24
Subject: [2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Looking to just be playing this list at my local gaming store but I want to make it abit more competitive. Ive got a few ideas for changes in mind for this current list.
First being swapping the heavy onslaught cannons on both dreads to plasma, for more AV.
Second being swapping the 7intercessor 2hellblaster squad out for a min point AM battalion for +5CP. Now if I did this was thinking I could spend a CP on Armory Of The Watch fortresses to give my Watch Master The Beacon Angelis which lets him basically deepstrike a unit within 6" of him, moving The Tome of Ectolades to the librarian. Then spending 2 CP on sticking him and the big Inceptor Intercessor squad ( Dread aswell maybe?) into the Teleportarium so I can deepstrike him then pull a dread over with The Beacon relic.
Third being to just not run the big Inceptor blob as its a heavy points investment with no invun save, but it can shoot out alot of AV shots and it makes the intercessors T5. Not entirely sure what I would run instead maybe more dreads? or just more Intercessor/Hellblaster Squads.
Open to any ideas and criticism the only things I want to keep is the force being mostly primaris deathwatch with redemptor dreads but apart from that go ahead! ty
++ Battlion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [ 1997pts] ++
+ HQ +
Watch Master [130pts]: Guardian Spear, The Tome of Ectolades, Lord of Hidden knowledge
Primaris Librarian [102pts]: Force Sword, Bolt pistol
+ Troops +
Intercessors [256pts]: 6x Intercessors 4x Hellblasters
. Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword
Intercessors [256pts]: 6x Intercessors 4x Hellblasters
. Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword
Intercessors [208pts]: 7x Intercessors 2x Hellblasters
. Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword
Intercessors [378pts]: 5x Intercessors 4x Inceptors 1x Aggressor
.Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword, Auto Bolt Rifle
.Intercessors: 4x Auto Bolt Rifle
.Inceptors: 4x Plasma Exsterminators
.Aggressor: Auto boltstorm gauntlets, Fragstorm Grenade Launcher
+ Elites +
Primaris Apothecary [69pts]: Absolver bolt pistol
Redemptor Dreadnought [196pts]: Heavy onslaught gattling cannon, onslaught gatling cannon, 2x Storm bolter
Redemptor Dreadnought [196pts]: Heavy onslaught gattling cannon, onslaught gatling cannon, 2x Storm bolter
Contempter Mortis Dreadnought [206pts]: 2x Twin Lasscannon
++ Total: [8CP, 1997pts] ++
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/05/16 22:31:59
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2018/05/20 17:26:46
Subject: [2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Is the 7 intercessor/2 hellblaster squad different from the others because you're low on points?
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2018/05/20 18:58:01
Subject: Re:[2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Fresh-Faced New User
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yup, changed my list quite abit since I posted this with being more competitive in mind.
++ Battlion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Deathwatch) [ 1800pts] ++
+ HQ +
Watch Master [130pts]: Guardian Spear, The Tome of Ectolades, Lord of Hidden knowledge (WL Trait)
Primaris Captain [94pts]: Auto bolt rifle, Bolt pistol
+ Troops +
Intercessors [285pts]: 5x Intercessor 5x Hellblaster
.Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword, Auto Bolt Rifle
.Intercessors: 5x Auto Bolt Rifle
.Hellblasters: 5x Assault plasma incinerator
Intercessors [285pts]: 5x Intercessor 5x Hellblaster
.Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword, Auto Bolt Rifle
.Intercessors: 5x Auto Bolt Rifle
.Hellblasters: 5x Assault plasma incinerator
Intercessors [285pts]: 5x Intercessor 5x Hellblaster
.Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword, Auto Bolt Rifle
.Intercessors: 5x Auto Bolt Rifle
.Hellblasters: 5x Assault plasma incinerator
Intercessors [270pts]: 6x Intercessor 4x Hellblaster
.Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword, Auto Bolt Rifle
.Intercessors: 6x Auto Bolt Rifle
.Hellblasters: 4x Assault plasma incinerator
+ Elites +
Primaris Apothecary [69pts]: Absolver bolt pistol
Redemptor Dreadnought [191pts]: Macro Plasma incinerator, onslaught gatling cannon, 2x Storm bolter
Redemptor Dreadnought [191pts]: Macro Plasma incinerator, onslaught gatling cannon, 2x Storm bolter
++ Battlion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [200pts] ++
Regimental Doctrine: Tallarn
+ HQ +
Primaris Psyker [40pts]: Force Stave, Laspistol, Night shroud, Psychic Maelstrom
Primaris Psyker [40pts]: Force Stave, Laspistol, Mental Fortitude, Psychic Maelstrom
+ Troops +
Infantry Squad [40pts]: 10x Guardsman
Sergeant: Lasgun, Chainsword
Guardsman: 9x Lasgun
Infantry Squad [40pts]: 10x Guardsman
Sergeant: Lasgun, Chainsword
Guardsman: 9x Lasgun
Infantry Squad [40pts]: 10x Guardsman
Sergeant: Lasgun, Chainsword
Guardsman: 9x Lasgun
++ Total: [13CP, 2000pts] ++
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/05/20 19:01:20
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2018/05/21 16:29:45
Subject: [2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Stubborn Prosecutor
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I'd drop the autobolt rifles for standard bolt rifles. It's a pretty narrow band in which the auto bolt rifles get two shots where the standard don't and paying points for something that corner case isn't worth it IMHO. The -1 ap of the standard bolt rifle is fantastic if you run again other infantry lists. I'd also add an aux grenade launcher to each intercessor squad. Being able to add a frag grenade to overwatch or a krak grenade when needing to squeeze out that last wound against an armored target is really nice.
Out of curiosity - why Tallarn for the guard? I usually see aux guard as either catachan for melee or cadian for gunlines.
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2018/05/21 18:07:58
Subject: Re:[2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The thought behind the auto bolt rifles was to make my army quicker while staying at a safe distance from charges while still getting 2 shots. The standard rifles are only better at 15" or closer (unless you are trying to shoot at something 36" away) which feels too close, but thats why I am here since ive hardly played many games of 40k and want peoples opinions. I completely forgot about the grenade launcher, seems pretty decent for only being 1 point.
For tallarn I didnt think they would live long enough to get into combat and that they would most likely being moving alot to stay in front of my marines, but that was just my thoughts probably better options in practice.
What are your thoughts on the assault plasma? They seem decent to me since with how many CP's I have I can blow CP's on giving them +1 to wound against any vehicles and I doubt they would ever get into rapid fire range of said vehicles. Although going from wounding on 4s instead of 3s when overcharging is lame and some vehicles are T8 which would be an issue.
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2018/05/21 18:53:47
Subject: [2000] - Deathwatch - Primaris
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Been Around the Block
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As far as the rifles go, the 30" on the primaris bolter mixed with their special issue ammo seems to be the way to go. That extra 6" can be life or death for you or your enemy. Also with the deathwatch gaining access to the teleporter stratagem for 1cp and its usability on dreads i'd be inclined to go for one fatty rather than 2. But that is just personal experience im extrapolating from the custodes stratagem/strategy.
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