Epic - if it returns, what do you/we want?

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**MaxT**

dracpanzer wrote:
No scale creep. If it has 10mm space marines I won't be buying into it at all. I have way too many thousands of models in 6mm to change now.

Keep the scale and I would buy everything they throw at us.

The scale is already set, at 8mm.

**dracpanzer**

MaxT wrote:
dracpanzer wrote:
No scale creep. If it has 10mm space marines I won't be buying into it at all. I have way too many thousands of models in 6mm to change now.

Keep the scale and I would buy everything they throw at us.

The scale is already set, at 8mm.

Answers that question, I'm out.

**AndrewGPaul**

Well, the scale is set for Adeptus Titanicus - which doesn't feature anything smaller than an Imperial Knight. Even there, I've yet to see a source for this "8mm" thing; until I can physically measure the models and calculate the scale, I'm holding my tongue.

The very first epic-scale Space Marines were "8mm" or thereabouts (the ones that were crewing the thudd guns and mole mortars that came in the blister packs for Adeptus Titancus models in 1989). They're head and shoulders taller than the plastic Space Marines that came in Space Marine. the newer infantry released for Epic 40,000 made the Eldar, Imperial Guard and Space Marine scouts bigger than basic Marines, and the vehicles have always been undersized compared to the infantry.

**dracpanzer**

My old epic metal models, and the scouts, are taller. The plastics fit quite nicely standing together. You can tell they are different models, but they are scaled close enough. If they lose that, and start to look like they would be for different games, I won't touch the new stuff.

**MaxT**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Well, the scale is set for Adeptus Titanicus - which doesn't feature anything smaller than an Imperial Knight. Even there, I've yet to see a source for this "8mm" thing; until I can physically measure the models and calculate the scale, I'm holding my tongue.

Source was Warhammerfest 2016, info here:

https://recalcitrantdaze.blogspot.com/2016/05/warhammer-fest-2016-part-four-lord-of.html

But in short they decided on 8mm as that was the point you could tell Space Marine armour marks apart while keeping the titans a reasonable size. Future proofing for if they do expand it out to make inf/vehicles basically.

Old Epic was never designed from the ground up as a single scale: titans, infantry and vehicles were all different due to the decisions and manufacturing capabilities of the time

**AndrewGPaul**

Did they mean "8mm scale", or "a Marine would be 8mm tall", I wonder? The latter would make the game 6mm scale, after all.

**Yodhrin**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Did they mean "8mm scale", or "a Marine would be 8mm tall", I wonder? The latter would make the game 6mm scale, after all.

I think they said both(or different people heard the same statement different ways, this is why GW needs to get off their backsides and livestream seminars - and no excuses about "data protection", they do the seminars twice each now, so for one of them require people to sign a waiver to attend).

Either way, insisting nuEpic stuff be in-scale with oldEpic is tilting at windmills because as MaxT says, oldEpic never had a single consistent scale. Of course, I'd prefer it was 8mm marines/6mm normies, because there are some classic figures that do vaguely fit into the 6mm bracket that would be fun to use, but frankly I've come to think that so long as they actually do eventually expand it with infantry and non-Titanic vehicles I don't really care so much what the final scale is now we're getting the Titans in what will hopefully be vaguely affordable plastic.

**Apologist**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
What I want is a game which fields forces the size of 2nd edition (Imperial Guard infantry companies of 30 stands - that's 150 men), but with a rules set closer to Epic Armageddon or Epic 40,000 - At a pinch I could accept the orders system from 1st/2nd ed, but not the fiddly per-unit firing and melee.

For the sort of scale of command I want, I'm not sure I'd want to be distinguishing every single weapon option - give Space Marine Devastators "heavy weapons", for example- no need to worry about whether it's lascannon, heavy bolters or grav-cannon. Likewise with tanks. I just want to field a Leman Russ company, not worry that there's three basic battle tanks, an annihilator, an executioner and one of 'em's got flamer sponsons. If you must keep the differences in the rules, keep them out of army construction.

I want the focus of the rules to be about command - suppression, morale, issuing orders - rather than about hardware. The command rules from Warmaster, for example, as well as Epic 40,000 and Armageddon's blast marker rules.

I'd write out my wishlist, but AndrewGPaul said everything I'm after.

**Just Tony**

I want good Epic rules, plain and simple.

I'd ALSO want the return of Epic to suck the units that should never have been ported into 40K proper right back out. Leave Titans and the like for Epic.

**schoon**

Given what was on display at FW this weekend (such as the train), Is love to see superheavies return.

...and Xenos titans, not necessarily in that order.